From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #432 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, December 23 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 432 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers [Bob Muller ] RE: I Think I Understand ["Robert Sartorius" ] I Think I Understand [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1845 Fear is like a ..... [Mary Morris ] Re: Gwyneth as Joni [Lindsay Moon ] I think i understand [Oddmund Kaarevik ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Well, I have to get out and get a couple of last-minute items, but I'll get this out before I do. Don your gay apparel (in honor of GAY de-lurking) and dig into this new batch of Joni covers. And it just so happens that there are plenty of Rivers here for your holiday (and everyday) enjoyment. Liesl Muller is no kin to me - if she was I would have discouraged her from doing a Joni cover in the 'chanteuse' style. The Jay White cover comes from a Neil Diamond tribute - go figure. Why am I such a misfit: http://tinyurl.com/Covers-157 I am not just a nitwit: 1. Heather Ramsey - River 2. Miranda Sage - Both Sides Now 3. Aurora Scott - A Case Of You 4. Francesca Esme - Be Cool 5. Karmacoda - River 6. Raven O - Both Sides Now 7. St. Agnes Fountain - River 8. Liesl Muller - Both Sides Now 9. Jay White - Free Man In Paris 10. Silje Nergaard - River 11. Lindey Yung - Both Sides Now 12. Bill Anschell - Help Me 13. Paul Sonnenberg - River 14. Naomi Ferguson & Graham Wardrop - A Case Of You 15. Phil Thompson - River 16. William Haviland - - Both Sides Now 17. Anandammide - River 17 songs, 17 hits - enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 15:23:04 -0500 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: I Think I Understand Mark wrote: "Bobsart mentioned depression in relation to this song. For me, it is more my anxiety that it speaks too. Singing it to myself is often very comforting when I have tipped over the edge into imagining the worst that could possibly happen." Mark may know me better than I know myself. It probably was more fear and anxiety that I felt back then. "Dark uncertainty", if you will. I may have been somewhat depressed back then about the lack of direction in my life and the absence of a significant other, but it may well be the anxiety about how that might get resolved that got me into my darker moods (and made me "feel" that song that way). Bobsart. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:08:45 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: I Think I Understand Just heard this song, and as always it stopped me in my activities and FORCED me to hear it. I think much, if not all of Clouds does that for me. Perhaps it's the sparse production, and maybe that's the same reason that TI has the same effect. I can't help but hear THE WORDS because the accompanying sounds are so scant they serve only to support them and not as a distraction of any kind. Anyway, back this song...I'm just blown away by the title of it - I THINK I understand...as simple a phrase as it is, it's one you seldom hear. We say "I understand" a lot as well as "I think I KNOW", but this middle groud of "I think I understand" is fascinating to me, and of course like so much of Joni, brutally honest. Can we REALLY know? Can we TRULY understand, or is the most honest thing to say exactly what Joni is saying here? Besides the beautiful melody (sounds like the same guitar tuning for Midway and a similar intro), the words are very affirming. There are some days for me that start with me taking a big deep breath and saying to myself "today I am not prey to dark uncertainty". As an aside, I'm amazed that this song has not been covered more than it has been. As popular as this album was and remains, and coupled with the fact that the VAST majority of artists choose songs from 1968-1972 to do, it gets overlooked, I guess because there is such wealth to pick from. Hope all of my Joni friends have a great day today - if you have shadows to face, may you rob their blackness blind and have a bold taste of sunlight instead. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:33:41 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1845 Fear is like a ..... Dear Bob, You write : " Hope all of my Joni friends have a great day today - if you have shadows to face, may you rob their blackness blind and have a bold taste of sunlight instead." Thank you for your kind words...certainly today, these are words to live by. One can keep going back to the well of Joni's music & never come up dry. It's sort of an embarrassment of riches & yet we all want the next set of songs to hear what she's up to. Greedy little crows that we are, sometimes. I'm looking forward to her next ballet & hopefully she'll throw in a new song or two. One can hope. She really has given us her all along. I'll be satisfied with "Shine". Thank you to all the jmdl members who wrote me back right away in my pain a week & 1/2 ago on letting go of Joni, my dog. All your sympathys were taken to heart. It is doubly hard in the winter time in northern ( Pacific Northwest ) climes when there is so much darkness to contend with. Surely the solstice is close & the days will start getting lighter. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:51:24 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1845 > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, December 20 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1845 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > RE: I Think I Understand [Susan Tierney McNamara ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:45:33 +0000 > From: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: RE: I Think I Understand > > As I work through the Clouds album for my instructional videos, I really look forward to doing this song. It's actually in simple drop D - DADGAE. Her finger picking is really masterful, because she makes it sound simple. I, on the other hand, will have to practice for months and probably still fail ... fear is like a wilderland!!! > > The lyrics are a deep meditation on fear and courage ... the visuals are so crisp ... I love the beginning of the second verse: > > Now the way leads through the hills > Above the steeples chime > Below me sleepy rooftops round the harbor > It's there I'll take my thirsty fill > Of friendship over wine > Forgetting fear but never > Disregarding her ... > > It's so interesting you compare Clouds to TI, Bob. I never thought of that, but some of the very deep honesty of fear and courage can be seen in songs like Sunny Sunday, Last Chance Lost and Sire of Sorrow. Excellent point!!! :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:09 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: I Think I Understand > > Just heard this song, and as always it stopped me in my activities and FORCED me to hear it. I think much, if not all of Clouds does that for me. > Perhaps it's the sparse production, and maybe that's the same reason that TI has the same effect. I can't help but hear THE WORDS because the accompanying sounds are so scant they serve only to support them and not as a distraction of any kind. > > Anyway, back this song...I'm just blown away by the title of it - I THINK I understand...as simple a phrase as it is, it's one you seldom hear. We say "I understand" a lot as well as "I think I KNOW", but this middle groud of "I think I understand" is fascinating to me, and of course like so much of Joni, brutally honest. Can we REALLY know? Can we TRULY understand, or is the most honest thing to say exactly what Joni is saying here? > > Besides the beautiful melody (sounds like the same guitar tuning for Midway and a similar intro), the words are very affirming. There are some days for me that start with me taking a big deep breath and saying to myself "today I am not prey to dark uncertainty". > > As an aside, I'm amazed that this song has not been covered more than it has been. As popular as this album was and remains, and coupled with the fact that the VAST majority of artists choose songs from 1968-1972 to do, it gets overlooked, I guess because there is such wealth to pick from. > > Hope all of my Joni friends have a great day today - if you have shadows to face, may you rob their blackness blind and have a bold taste of sunlight instead. > > Bob > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1845 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:55:43 -0600 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: I think i understand Hi Oddmund! Happy Holiday to you too! Clouds turned me on to Joni. I had LoTC and CS given to me by a friend, but they didn't stand out among my albums by other artists. I liked the art on Clouds so I bought the LP still thinking Joni was mediocre and I ought to give her another chance to woo me because my friend liked her so much. When I heard Clouds for the first time I was fascinated by Joni's guitar playing. I knew nothing of alternate tuning and wondered what she was doing. When I got to The Fiddle and The Drum, I kept waiting for the guitar and was disturbed when it ended without guitar happening. So I stopped and thought okay, I'm game, played it again and started really listening to Joni's lyrics from that point on, I Think I Understand's lyrics and sound have some similarity to Zeppelin's "Battle of Evermore," and I was really into ZOSO at the time. It was like lightning in the clouds, and I was struck! Love, Laura On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > I totally agree Bob. > I recently heard it myself. > It is so beautiful. > Clouds is one of the albums I don't have > sort of under my skin, but I was amazed by some > of the songs. I think i understand I have > to give it another go. > > Wish you all the best for the holiday season. > > Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:30:13 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Re: Gwyneth as Joni Gerald, I'm not sure what to think of your response. I thought it was condescending, frankly. GP did a very good job in that movie and I think she's a very good actress who would do justice to the role and can sing. Lindsay On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > It's about acting, not looking alike! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > >> I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven  >> >> Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such big stuff. >> >> Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:10 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: I think i understand I totally agree Bob. I recently heard it myself. It is so beautiful. Clouds is one of the albums I don't have sort of under my skin, but I was amazed by some of the songs. I think i understand I have to give it another go. Wish you all the best for the holiday season. Oddmund ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #432 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe