From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #430 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 430 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 ["Reimers, Gay" ] Re: Jonifest pics ["Pat Boland" ] I Think I Understand [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Gwyneth as Joni [Gerald Kent ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1845 Fear is like a ..... [Catherine McKay ] re: i think i understand [joe farrell ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1856 [Mary Morris ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:27:13 +0000 From: "Reimers, Gay" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 I haven't ever posted on the list but have been lurking for years. I know this has been discussed before but I happened to find a copy of The Best of The Johnny Cash TV Show. My early Christmas present was hearing Joni singing The Girl from The North Country with Cash. Perhaps it's because I know her music so deeply that this little gem blew me away. Maybe it's because Joni didn't write it that it hit me differently...whatever it is it was a great little moment tucked in an otherwise busy hectic day. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 12:00 AM To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 428 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: I Think I Understand [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Gwyneth as Joni [Lindsay Moon ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 [Mary Morris ] Re: I think i understand [Anita G ] Re: Gwyneth as Joni [Sally ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:45:33 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: I Think I Understand As I work through the Clouds album for my instructional videos, I really look forward to doing this song. It's actually in simple drop D - DADGAE. Her finger picking is really masterful, because she makes it sound simple. I, on the other hand, will have to practice for months and probably still fail ... fear is like a wilderland!!! The lyrics are a deep meditation on fear and courage ... the visuals are so crisp ... I love the beginning of the second verse: Now the way leads through the hills Above the steeples chime Below me sleepy rooftops round the harbor It's there I'll take my thirsty fill Of friendship over wine Forgetting fear but never Disregarding her ... It's so interesting you compare Clouds to TI, Bob. I never thought of that, but some of the very deep honesty of fear and courage can be seen in songs like Sunny Sunday, Last Chance Lost and Sire of Sorrow. Excellent point!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:09 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: I Think I Understand Just heard this song, and as always it stopped me in my activities and FORCED me to hear it. I think much, if not all of Clouds does that for me. Perhaps it's the sparse production, and maybe that's the same reason that TI has the same effect. I can't help but hear THE WORDS because the accompanying sounds are so scant they serve only to support them and not as a distraction of any kind. Anyway, back this song...I'm just blown away by the title of it - I THINK I understand...as simple a phrase as it is, it's one you seldom hear. We say "I understand" a lot as well as "I think I KNOW", but this middle groud of "I think I understand" is fascinating to me, and of course like so much of Joni, brutally honest. Can we REALLY know? Can we TRULY understand, or is the most honest thing to say exactly what Joni is saying here? Besides the beautiful melody (sounds like the same guitar tuning for Midway and a similar intro), the words are very affirming. There are some days for me that start with me taking a big deep breath and saying to myself "today I am not prey to dark uncertainty". As an aside, I'm amazed that this song has not been covered more than it has been. As popular as this album was and remains, and coupled with the fact that the VAST majority of artists choose songs from 1968-1972 to do, it gets overlooked, I guess because there is such wealth to pick from. Hope all of my Joni friends have a great day today - if you have shadows to face, may you rob their blackness blind and have a bold taste of sunlight instead. Bob - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:25:53 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Gwyneth as Joni I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven  Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such big stuff. Lindsay - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:38:17 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 Absolutely spot on choice. I think Gwyneth has the chops to give the Joni bio some depth. Do you have a drop on the casting director ? I think Joni, if she would approve anything, which she wouldn't, certainly would not approve of Taylor Swift, who is trying so hard to climb the musical ladder of Tinsel Town. Taylor doesn't really need Joni's help. Someone with gravitas would be suitable. I vote for Gwyneth & I'm sorry I didn't think of her before. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:16:22 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 > > > JMDL Digest Friday, December 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1855 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Gwyneth as Joni [Gerald Kent ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:14:56 -0500 > From: Gerald Kent > Subject: Re: Gwyneth as Joni > > It's about acting, not looking alike! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > > > I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia > > Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven  > > > > Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such > > big stuff. > > > > Lindsay > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1855 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:01:08 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: I think i understand It's so lovely to read such kind things about me singing 'I think I understand'. That song is so significant for me. As someone who has spent so much of their life trying to combat fear, (Death), I find the wonderful thing about the process of singing this extraordinary song lies, for me, toward the end where, having travelled through the song, we reach the lines: "Where forests rise to block the light that keeps a traveller sane. I'll challenge them with flashes from a brighter time" When I sing it to others, I look around and see the faces of good people. In that moment, I don't feel so alone. The dark forest is challenged. I am suddenly present in a brighter time. Thank you Bob, Catherine and every one I've had the personal healing of being granted the opportunity to sing it with you, Love Anita On 20/12/2012, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > Catherine, > > Thanks for your beautiful response - maybe recent events are what made > my listening today that much more intense, even though there are MANY > things I will NEVER understand, let alone think that I do. It seems > like every time I hear this song, it comes at a time when I REALLY need to hear it. > Maybe I should start every day with I Think I Understand as opposed to > War's "All Day Music" which is what usually kicks my workday off. > > And you're right, I can't hear this one without hearing sweet Anita > playing and singing it, as she did in France for me personally. A > moment I'll never forget, until I reach an age or state where I remember nothing. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this > message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact > the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender > and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:52:23 -0500 From: Sally Subject: Re: Gwyneth as Joni I've never thought about GP in that role...so much has been made of Taylor Swift. But I do think GP is a wonderful performer. My thoughts turn to Shakespeare in Love, for which she was deservedly lauded. She's got lots of career and life experience to draw on. I dread this movie, but a serious actress might be able to give it the weight it deserves. Good thoughts, Lindsay! Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > Gerald, I'm not sure what to think of your response. I thought it was condescending, frankly. > > GP did a very good job in that movie and I think she's a very good actress who would do justice to the role and can sing. > > Lindsay > On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > >> It's about acting, not looking alike! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Lindsay Moon wrote: >> >>> I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia >>> Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has >>> her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like >>> I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort >>> of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd >>> recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven >>>  >>> >>> Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such big stuff. >>> >>> Lindsay - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #428 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:47:05 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: Re: Jonifest pics I second that Anita, thank you all for the links and suggestions! I was able to find most of the pics I was looking for largely thanks to Paz and Ashara. Just to let you know, I was really looking to find the photo record of the very first Jonifests as today (or rather the day of my original request) marks the anniversary of my first post to the list way back in '98. Yay! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for these links. It is just wonderful to realise that you do get > better looking as you age, > > Anita x > > > > On 17 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Dave Blackburn wrote: > >> And here are all my pics from Holycombe 2008b& >> >> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1679406316354.2092419.1573419652&type=1&l=ac85c435ce >> >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Moni Kellermann wrote: >> >>> Photos from the 2000 to 2008 Jonifests are here: >>> >>> http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/ >>> >>> >>> moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:51:12 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: I Think I Understand regarding what Bob said let's all listen to it together today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zGHdcJ8R-U sort of like a harmonic convergence we can move mountains (if I act different it is because I have putple in my blood) lOve Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:14:56 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Gwyneth as Joni It's about acting, not looking alike! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven  > > Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such big stuff. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1845 Fear is like a ..... At this gloomy time of year (in the northern part of the world anyway), knowing the solstice is coming, and we'll soon be heading out of the tunnel, is definitely what keeps this traveller sane! >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:33:41 AM >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1845 Fear is like a ..... > > > >Surely the solstice is close & the days will start getting lighter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:44:34 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: I think i understand Catherine, Thanks for your beautiful response - maybe recent events are what made my listening today that much more intense, even though there are MANY things I will NEVER understand, let alone think that I do. It seems like every time I hear this song, it comes at a time when I REALLY need to hear it. Maybe I should start every day with I Think I Understand as opposed to War's "All Day Music" which is what usually kicks my workday off. And you're right, I can't hear this one without hearing sweet Anita playing and singing it, as she did in France for me personally. A moment I'll never forget, until I reach an age or state where I remember nothing. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:43:11 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Jonifest pics Happy Anniversary, Pat Anita x On 20 Dec 2012, at 08:47, "Pat Boland" wrote: > I second that Anita, thank you all for the links and suggestions! I was > able to find most of the pics I was looking for largely thanks to Paz and > Ashara. Just to let you know, I was really looking to find the photo > record of the very first Jonifests as today (or rather the day of my > original request) marks the anniversary of my first post to the list way > back in '98. Yay! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Thanks for these links. It is just wonderful to realise that you do get >> better looking as you age, >> >> Anita x >> >> >> >> On 17 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> >>> And here are all my pics from Holycombe 2008C"b,B& >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1679406316354.2092419.1573419652&type=1&l=ac85c435ce >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Moni Kellermann wrote: >>> >>>> Photos from the 2000 to 2008 Jonifests are here: >>>> >>>> http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/ >>>> >>>> >>>> moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:36:15 +0000 From: joe farrell Subject: re: i think i understand I agree with all that Bob says about "I Think I Understand". It is a beautiful song. Inspirational. I love the word "wilderland" and the wonderful imagery of: "When forests rise to block the light that keeps a traveller sane I'll challenge them with flashes from a brighter time". Thanks Bob for your post, it motivated me to go and listen again to this superb song. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:41:45 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1856 I did not think it condescending at all. Please explain. I think Gwyenth would be a very likeable actress to portray Joni. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:30:40 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1856 > > > JMDL Digest Friday, December 21 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1856 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Gwyneth as Joni [Lindsay Moon ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:30:13 -0800 > From: Lindsay Moon > Subject: Re: Gwyneth as Joni > > Gerald, I'm not sure what to think of your response. I thought it was condescending, frankly. > > GP did a very good job in that movie and I think she's a very good actress who would do justice to the role and can sing. > > Lindsay > On Dec 20, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > > > It's about acting, not looking alike! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > > > >> I happened upon a 2003 movie "Sylvia" with Gwyneth Paltrow as Sylvia Plath and am struck with how much she resembles Joni. She even has her longer version hair in little knots at the tops of her ears like I've seen Joni back in the day. And I think Gwyneth has that sort of plain and lovely face that Joni has without makeup. I'd recommend it, although I do cringe every time she goes near an oven  > >> > >> Daniel Craig as her husband, poet Ted Hughes. Before Craig was such big stuff. > >> > >> Lindsay > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1856 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #430 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe