From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #418 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 418 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- how many suscribers really? ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: how many suscribers really? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] A Christmas song ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: how many suscribers really? [Corey Blake ] how many subscribers really? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] how many suscribers really? ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: One word ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:12:00 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: how many suscribers really? On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: > When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 ungrateful ones. > Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading orwatching, personally i don't get it. > Any comments? > Laurent Paul replied I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am less tactful. If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. Altruism, baby, altruism. Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must also be dumb because i still don't get it. Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i expect nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate level or is it a plain 0? FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy when i get 25%. "Poor judge of human nature" Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know there is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is like a large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music as we are? Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness and not try to do anything about it? Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not even 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often sparks a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, and it shall never be right in my book. "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a tiny recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the effort to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still continue without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it will make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all the music they've shared. What's selfish and non altruistic about that? You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act of giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving without motivation thing please. Cheers Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:43:39 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? Laurent, it should be totally possible to re-calibrate your expectations based on historical data. I've been putting these covers downloads out (as well as mailing cd's) for over a decade. I do it because I love it and know that there are others that do too. It makes me happy to share something that others will enjoy, whether they acknowledge it or not. Every once in a great while we have a little thread that pops up because of it, and every once in a great while someone will send me an off-list message about it. I know I can count on Jimmy to give me some feedback and it's always great to see. Based on what typically happens historically (30-40 downloads) and how much feedback/thanks I get (1-2 people), I would be foolish to expect 15-20 people to say thank you or something of the sort. And it's not why I do it anyway. Re-visit the REASONS you share what you do, and adjust your expectations, and you should be fine. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:44 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: A Christmas song Bene wrote: Here is a very beautiful rendition of River. I can't say that I planned to watch Denmark's Radio's grand Christmas show - I don't like these grand productions, but I loved this - a Danish/Icelandic duo, Tina Dickow and Helig Jonsson. Enjoy, and merry Christmas! www.dr.dk/TV/se/drs-store-juleshow/drs-store-juleshow-del-1#!/14:00 I just love Tina Dico/Dickow, in fact will travel next spring to catch the tour. Sorry Bob i know you can't stand her. PS: Bene if you're in Copenhagen this coming friday be sure to go and see Daniel Lanois with the "beautiful" Brian Blade. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:36:01 -0800 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: how many suscribers really? I've discovered having no expectations at all is the way to go. It's almost impossible to achieve such a zen state but it's the best place to be instead of wasting time and emotional energy on keeping a tally. Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:12 PM, "Laurent Olszer" wrote: > On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: >> When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i > expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 > ungrateful ones. >> Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the > largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if > any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading > orwatching, personally i don't get it. >> Any comments? >> Laurent > > Paul replied > I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am less > tactful. > If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of > human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. > Altruism, baby, altruism. > > > Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must also > be dumb because i still don't get it. > > Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i expect > nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what > exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate > level or is it a plain 0? > FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy when i > get 25%. > > "Poor judge of human nature" > Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know there > is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is like a > large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or > should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music as > we are? > Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness and > not try to do anything about it? > Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not even > 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will > apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often sparks > a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, and > it shall never be right in my book. > > "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous > (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a tiny > recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the effort > to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still continue > without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it will > make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all the > music they've shared. > What's selfish and non altruistic about that? > > You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and > keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act of > giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a > Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving > without motivation thing please. > > Cheers > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:15:48 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: how many subscribers really? There's a story in the New Testament that Jesus healed 10 lepers and only one came back to thank Him. I take from that two things: 1) people forget to say "Thank you" more often than they remember, and 2) we should try to remember more often. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:42:23 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: SJC My play If you're in London and haven't yet seen it, my play Unbroken Line has been getting great reviews like this http://www.ayoungertheatre.com/review-unbroken-line-jamie-zubairi/ And for those of us that will spot it, there are also 2 Joni lines in the script. One which gets a laugh. Jamie Zubairi Actor, Painter, Voiceover, Creative Appearing in Unbroken Line until 15th Dec at Ovalhouse see www.ovalhouse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:12:00 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: how many suscribers really? On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Laurent Olszer wrote: > When i upload a music dvd that took time and effort to make, all i expect is a "thank you" and i'd rather please 5 grateful people than 500 ungrateful ones. > Some friends put up a lot of stuff on youtube, all they're after is the largest possible audience and they don't care how many thanks they get, if any. Their logic i guess is that people thank you by downloading orwatching, personally i don't get it. > Any comments? > Laurent Paul replied I think Anita put it about as nicely as anyone could. As usual, I am less tactful. If you are doing it for the 'thank yous,' you either are a poor judge of human nature or selfishly seeking self-aggrandizement. Altruism, baby, altruism. Sorry guys but in addition to being selfish and/or a poor judge i must also be dumb because i still don't get it. Anita wrote i should lower my expectations. How can i lower them if i expect nothing but basic politeness? I don't really expect flowers, but what exactly is the level below my basic expectation? Is there an intermediate level or is it a plain 0? FYI Right now the ratio of thanks i get is 10-25% and I'm quite happy when i get 25%. "Poor judge of human nature" Oh Paul baby, you have no idea how i feel about human nature. I know there is the worst out there but also the best. Now, this torrent thing is like a large community, not on a youtube scale. So why not expect the best, or should i say a minimum, from people who are sensitive to the same music as we are? Why should i be content to witness that we live in a world of rudeness and not try to do anything about it? Sometimes i jump on a torrent that has like 50 leechers already and not even 1 thank you. I feel terrible for the uploader when i see this, and i will apologize for the previous 50 ungrateful leechers. This comment often sparks a flow of thanks as if the next leechers realize that this is not right, and it shall never be right in my book. "Selfish self aggrandizement": aside from the fact that we're anonymous (with an avatar) on this torrent site, what is wrong with expecting a tiny recognition for a job well done or merely appreciation for making the effort to share? I could spare the hassle and the torrent site would still continue without me. Yet I'm sharing the music i've captured because i know it will make some good people happy and this is my way of thanking them for all the music they've shared. What's selfish and non altruistic about that? You're probably going to reply that we should all be total altruists and keep giving without receiving motivation. That motivation is in the act of giving itself. I confess i'm not anywhere near the level of a Jesus or a Ghandi. How do you guys do it? Really i want to understand this giving without motivation thing please. Cheers Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:54:07 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: One word - -----Original Message----- From: kenevans kenevans Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: One word Notches Nachos? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #418 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe