From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #405 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 29 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 405 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Queer, if you ask me [Anita ] Another meal with Joni [Betsy ] Re: Queer, if you ask me [Catherine McKay ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:04:57 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me Catherine wrote: > Interesting! I've never heard Joni's music described as "lesbian" music, so that makes me a lesbian, I suppose, and I'm OK with that label, even if it's just an honorary one. I'm also a fan of Rufus Wainwright, so I guess I'm a gay man too. Also OK with me! > I have never heard Joni's music described as lesbian either.Do we know where that comes from ? As for you,Catherine,labelling yourself as a lesbian or gay man,straight woman or straight man or everything and everone in between, you could just choose one label for yourself. I would suggest HOT! :-)) Love Luscious Les Lilac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:33:43 -0800 From: Betsy Subject: Another meal with Joni Well, I heard BYT at a pizza place a while back. Last night it was All I Want at a Mexican restaurant. I'm not sure I've ever heard that song in public, but it only took one strum to recognize it. (I told my other half that there are only a few dulcimer songs in pop music, and they're all on the same album. Sorry, Cyndi.) They seemed to be playing some early 70s mix for the next hour, and it made me realize that "the radio blared so bland" back then, too. Betsy NP on the clock radio My Heart Will Go On and my man cursing about "damn Canadians" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Queer, if you ask me Interesting! I've never heard Joni's music described as "lesbian" music, so that makes me a lesbian, I suppose, and I'm OK with that label, even if it's just an honorary one. I'm also a fan of Rufus Wainwright, so I guess I'm a gay man too. Also OK with me! Good music is good music, as far as I'm concerned and good lyrics resound with people of all races, genders and eras. I'm a fan of many artists, male, female, gay, straight or otherwise. Their messages and music are universal. Sometimes I think that a certain kind of man (the ones who describe themselves as "red-blooded" and so on - I think we all have red blood, though, don't we? ) don't like listening to any kind of "female" music. Maybe I'm painting with too wide a brush, but often the stuff that appeals to women doesn't appeal to the macho he-man type so much, although many of them would say they'd like to jump so-and-so's bones, even if they don't like her music. So, if a musician's followers are mostly female, then these men might see them as all "lesbian," which is often what straight (or so-called straight) men say about women who don't accept their neanderthal advances. ("It can't be me, so it has to be you!" I wish I had that kind of black-and-white, simple world-view.) And then again, I think that the vast majority of people on this list never post. I think the count, when last I heard, was between 800 and 900 on the list. Even if there are some duplications (e.g. you've signed up with your work email and also your home one), then I'm sure that only maybe ten per cent of people post, even irregularly. From an "it seems to me" point of view, then it seems to me that there are more gay/lesbian people represented on this list than there are supposedly in the general population. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say that maybe half the people who post regularly here are LBG, etc. But then again, Joni's music also appeals to sensitive types. Maybe gay/lesbian (etc) people are more inclined to be sensitive because they've had to be more sensitive to their surroundings to survive in an apparently mostly straight world. Or maybe LBG people feel safe here, because they are accepted for who they are and not judged on one aspect of themselves, as they might be in some other areas. Of course, I could be just blowing smoke outta my arse! Whatever the case may be, I've met a lot of people on this list, both virtually and in person, and I have to say I can't think of one I didn't like! So, bring on the lesbian music! After all, Sappho of Lesbos was a poet! >________________________________ > From: Betsy >To: "joni@smoe.org" ; "treegreen1@hotmail.com" >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:53:33 AM >Subject: Queer, if you ask me > >Marianne, > >I wouldn't dare guess how many listers fall in which part of the spectrum of sexual orientation, but it you're taking a poll, I'm straight. > >I don't understand how Joni's music is constantly described as "lesbian" music. That woman is a flaming heterosexual in word and deed. Maybe women fall in love with her because she's so beautiful, yet so headstrong and talented, that it seems impossible for her to be the woman behind the man. Not that she didn't try. > >As for gay men, just listen to Man to Man or Free Man in Paris or Two Grey Rooms. Joni is capable of translating a variety of experiences into song using empathy. > >Liza answered the question about why she was a gay icon, "Because they have good taste!" That definitely applies here. > >Betsy > >> What would you say is the percentage of lesbian and gay purple on this list? >> take a guess >> >> And, >> Why are so many gay people attracted to joni? >> >> Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:06:37 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni I don't know what Taylor Swift would or wouldn't do, but it would be like that movie where Joaquin Phoenix tried to sing Johnny Cash. Besides, she knows how to fret-sync! Plus she is enormously popular and looks the part. In related news, there was a feature on Taylor Swift in the slick mag that comes with the Sunday paper, and the byline was that these days she is looking at life and love "from both sides now". RR From: > "Randy Remote" wrote: > If the filmakers are smart (and can afford it) they will use Joni's >> music, and have Ms. Swift lipsync to it. > > First of all, Taylor Swift would never agree to that. > Secondly, what would be the point of casting someone with musical ability > but no proven experience as an actress if not to let her sing. If they > would > plan to use Joni's music or voice, they'd have to do it for the roles of > Carly and Carole as well and it would seem awkward in a film. In that > case, > they might as well cast real actresses, not singers. > Paul Ivice ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #405 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe