From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #401 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 24 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 401 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Taylor Swift as Joni ["Randy Remote" ] Retro Covers #75 - Six bits [Bob Muller ] Re: Similes and metaphors (Furry) ["Mark" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 [Anita ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 [David Lahm ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Similes and metaphors (Furry) [Betsy ] Odds and ends: Taylor, Geffen and the unseen documentary [Michael Sentanc] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:25:41 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni I agree! I posted this before; Taylor Swift looking much more like Joni than the Harpers photos http://tinyurl.com/d9gjd2e If the filmakers are smart (and can afford it) they will use Joni's music, and have Ms. Swift lipsync to it. RR > Not to mention that Joni's exposure to that fan base will undoubtedly be > heightened - perhaps greatly. > > It is hard for me to imagine a better casting selection on the basis of > "looks". If anyone is looking for someone who also has Joni's musical > chops, > well, good luck with that one. > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Covers #75 - Six bits Hi gang, here's another look back at a Covers Volume of yore - moving on with #75. It'll have you going 'round in circles! When Black Friday comes: http://tinyurl.com/d2bvn76 I'll fly down to Muswellbrook: 1. Bruce Radtke Jazz Trio - The Circle Game 2. Amelia Browning - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3. Bill Kaffenberger - Urge For Going 4. Erana Clark - The Circle Game 5. Celia Slattery - Both Sides Now 6. Sarah Slean - Woodstock (live) 7. Jennifer Scott - Free Man In Paris 8. Jennifer Scott - You Dream Flat Tires 9. Robin James - Circle Game Medley 10. The Escape Committe - Woodstock 11. Rita Chao - The Circle Game (Mandarin) 12. Cyril Ornadel Orchestra - Woodstock 13. Wheatones - I Don't Know Where I Stand 14. Tom Young - Both Sides Now 15. Cherry Boys - The Circle Game 16. Stephen Fretwell - Rainy Night House 17. Lynn Skinner - Help Me 18. Cadence - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 18 songs, 18 hits! Enjoy. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:30:53 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Similes and metaphors (Furry) Hi Betsy, I'm no linguist so I don't know for sure but 'while the song that he sang her to soothe her to sleep runs all through her circuits like a heart beat' from 'Electricity' almost reverses the device. Of course pretty much that whole song is metaphor. 'Well I'm learning, it's peaceful with a good dog and some trees' is pretty straightforward description but she brings it back around to that metaphor with 'the breakdown of this century'. I just ran through the lyrics in my head and I think the example I quoted is the only simile in the song. Interesting observation to ponder. There is going to be a little receptor somewhere in my brain now that is sifting through the lyrics whenever I'm listening to or singing a Joni Mitchell song. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Similes and metaphors (Furry) Can I get the language lovers' comments on this similie-turned-metaphor? "Pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps...They chew the last few dollars off Old Beale Street's carcass." Is this device common in Joni's or others' writing? I feel like it draws in the listener or reader very effectively. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:42:19 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 Does anyone still have the link?Can't find original post Anita (coughing and spluttering with man flu) On 20 Nov 2012, at 15:01, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I see this photo shoot as Taylor dressed in what the fashion industry thinks is the retro 70s look ... especially the shot where she is leaning on the chair in the dark beige wide leg creased pants. It makes her look more like Jean Shrimpton than Joni. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:37 AM > To: Stdoherty; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 > > I didn't see it either, even though I tried to be open-minded about it. But, I suppose, for those who aren't familiar with Joni, simply having the editors say she's "channelling Joni" would be enough to make it so. >> ________________________________ >> From: Stdoherty >> To: > joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:12:35 AM >> Subject: Re: > onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 >> >> I don't think those photos of Swift as "Joni" > look like her at all - what's >> more - the clothes don't seem like her either. > This isjust bad all the way >> around. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:48:31 -0500 From: David Lahm Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 This is the frustration we have to endure: younger people with different priorities take control of the culture which we experienced first-hand and, whether innocently or cynically, re-write it for their own world. DAVID LAHM On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I didn't see it either, even though I tried to be open-minded about it. > But, I > suppose, for those who aren't familiar with Joni, simply having the editors > say she's "channelling Joni" would be enough to make it so. > >________________________________ > > From: Stdoherty > >To: > joni@smoe.org > >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:12:35 AM > >Subject: Re: > onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 > > > >I don't think those photos of Swift as "Joni" > look like her at all - what's > >more - the clothes don't seem like her either. > This isjust bad all the way > >around. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:10:39 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 http://www.justjaredjr.com/2012/11/12/taylor-swift-harpers-bazaar-december-2012-cover-girl/ Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Anita [mailto:lawntreader@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:42 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Catherine McKay; Stdoherty; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 Does anyone still have the link?Can't find original post Anita (coughing and spluttering with man flu) On 20 Nov 2012, at 15:01, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I see this photo shoot as Taylor dressed in what the fashion industry thinks is the retro 70s look ... especially the shot where she is leaning on the chair in the dark beige wide leg creased pants. It makes her look more like Jean Shrimpton than Joni. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:37 AM > To: Stdoherty; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 > > I didn't see it either, even though I tried to be open-minded about it. But, I suppose, for those who aren't familiar with Joni, simply having the editors say she's "channelling Joni" would be enough to make it so. >> ________________________________ >> From: Stdoherty >> To: > joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:12:35 AM >> Subject: Re: > onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 >> >> I don't think those photos of Swift as "Joni" > look like her at all - what's >> more - the clothes don't seem like her either. > This isjust bad all the way >> around. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:47:55 -0800 From: Betsy Subject: Similes and metaphors (Furry) Can I get the language lovers' comments on this similie-turned-metaphor? "Pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps...They chew the last few dollars off Old Beale Street's carcass." Is this device common in Joni's or others' writing? I feel like it draws in the listener or reader very effectively. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:20:31 -0500 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Odds and ends: Taylor, Geffen and the unseen documentary I think that Taylor Swift desperately wants to appear as Joni Mitchell. She's quoting Joni in defense of her latest release, "Red". In some interviews, she has the Cameron Crowe interview: "You have two options. You can stay the same and protect the formula that > gave you your initial success. Theyre going to crucify you for staying the > same. If you change, theyre going to crucify you for changing. But staying > the same is boring. And change is interesting. So of the two options, she > concluded cheerfully, Id rather he crucified for changing. > So she's been doing some homework and apparently feels a kinship. However, as the cinematic version of the "Les Miserables" musical is being released, it should be noted that she spent time in London auditioning for the role of Cosette. And that didn't work out for her. Given her public campaigning (like the recent photos), I think it's pretty clear that the filmmakers don't want her - but the suits do want her as Joni given her fan base. I'm not hopeful. - -------- If you haven't seen the Geffen documentary on PBS, it's worth a view. Joni appears a few times in the first third of the documentary. They have a "Free Man in Paris" snippet which is interesting. The documentary is a bit fawning and I thought they treated Laura Nyro badly. And there is a great quote about Neil Young and his music early on - which should have been juxtaposed against Geffen's lawsuit against Young for being the innovative, creative force that he is. It made me wonder what the conversations had been about Joni Mitchell if he sued Neil Young for being uncommercial. - -------- I was looking at some other Joni factoids when I cam across this in the Chronology for 2000: Joni was interviewed by Stephanie Bennett for the unreleased > documentary film *Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now And Then*. > What is this? Anyone know the story? There doesn't appear to be anything on IMDB. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:51:54 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #396 I didn't see it either, even though I tried to be open-minded about it> Same here...I squinted, looked at the pictures from a distance, and I NEVER saw much of a resemblance. Of course, makeup and costumes and special effects can make anything work. I say we're being SWIFTboated! 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