From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #387 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 14 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 387 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My top 15 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] emails from me - please delete them [Em ] My top 15 ["Eaton, Shari" ] youtube finds ["Eaton, Shari" ] RE: Pitchfork review [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: My top 15 ["Eaton, Shari" ] Another Box Set review [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] =?windows-1252?Q?lyric_analysis_=96_the_hissing_of_summer_lawns ?= ["Eato] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:04:42 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: My top 15 1. The Arrangement "Racing cars, whisky bars, no one cares who you really are."> What grabs me in this one are the lyrics right out of the gate - "You could have been more than a name on the door" gets right to the point. Also have to add that Jenny Goodspeed's take on this one is AMAZING. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: emails from me - please delete them hey all, if you get an email from me (not to JMDL list, but to your personal email address), please just delete it. It is a hack that I got from a friend. I've changed my passwords (again) and am hoping this will fix the situation. thx and sorry for the hassle. Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:24:06 -0800 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: My top 15 I could spend forever trying to arrange these in order from best to least best. I couldn't even narrow it down to 10. This is the closest I could come to finalizing this exercise. My all time favorites... I'm also detailing the lyrics within each song that I most swoon over. 1. The Arrangement "Racing cars, whisky bars, no one cares who you really are." 2. Judgement of the Moon and Stars "You've got to shake your fist at lightening now. You've got to roar like forest fire. You've got to spread your life like blazes all across the sky. They're gonna aim the hoses on ya. Show 'em you won't expire. Not till you burn up every passion.Not even when you die." 3. For the Roses "The caressing rev of motors finely tuned like fancy women in thirties evening gowns." "The lights go down and it's just you up there, getting them to feel like that." 4. Just Like This Train "Old man sleeping on his bags. Women with that teased up kind of hair. Kids with the jitters in their legs and those wide, wide open stares." 5. That Song About the Midway "You were betting on some lover. You were shaking up the dice. And I thought I saw you cheating once or twice." 6. Edith and the Kingpin "The passed over girls are conferring. The man with the diamond ring is purring. All claws for now withdrawn." The lyrics in this entire song blow me away though. 7. Amelia "when I spotted six jet planes, leaving six white vapor trails across the bleak terrain. It was the hexagram of the heavens. It was the strings of my guitar. Amelia, it was just a false alarm." 8. The Dawntreader "Seabird I have seen you fly above the pilings. I am smiling at your circles in the air. I will come and sit by you while he lies sleeping. Fold your pleat wings I have got some dreams to share." 9. The Fiddle and the Drum "You say we have turned, like the enemies you've earned. But can remember all the good things you are." 10. Hejira "You know it never has been easy. Whether you do or you do not resign. Whether you travel the breadth of extremities or stick to some straighter lines." "I know no one's going to show me everything. We all come and go alone. Each so deep and so superficial. Between the forceps and the stone." 11. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter And he says: "Snakes along the railroad tracks" He says, "Eagles in jet trails" He says, "Coils around feathers and talons on scales Gravel under the belly plates" He says, "Wind in the Wings" He says, "Big bird dragging its tail in the dust Snake kite flying on a string" "What strange prizes these battles bring These hectic joys these weary blues Puffed up and strutting when I think I win Down and shaken when I think I lose" 12. Silky Veils of Ardor "It's just in dreams we fly. In my dreams we fly." 13. Jericho Just like Jericho I said "Let these walls come tumbling down" I said it like I finally found the way To keep the good feelings alive I said it like it was something to strive for 14. Barangrill "Well some say it's in service They say "humble makes pure" You're hoping it's near Folly 'Cause you're headed that way for sure" 15. Sweet Bird "Behind our eyes Calendars of our lives Circled with compromise Sweet bird of time and change You must be laughing Up on your feathers laughing" "No one knows They can never get that close Guesses at most Guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching" Lots n lots of Joni, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:47:55 -0800 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: youtube finds My goodness how she glows here. She's singing Play Little David for the TV Series Mon Pays, Mes Chansons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gmtwCergLY A live performance in 2000 of Ludwig's Tune. I love her storytelling at the beginning and the full orchestral backing makes for a unique sound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWuAdV1gPkY&feature=relmfu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:45:59 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Pitchfork review That's a great observation about RLJ, Bob ... and I see a lot of artists who were influenced but don't necessarily get to Joni's level. Good points. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:07 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Michel BYRNE; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Pitchfork review Well, let's remember that the word "influence" is pretty broad. I would think that almost everyone who heard Joni in their formative artistic creative periods, long or short they may be, couldn't help but be influenced by her. I don't necessarily think that means they are going to write like her, lyrics or music. Even trying to work at that level would be oppressive. But if it means you're inspired to create, pick up a guitar or a paintbrush for that matter, than it works. Having said that, Ani uses a mess of alternate tunings and writes lots of naked truth songs about love and politics. Her writing is very honest and candid. She's constantly changing who she works with, how her sound is defined, etc. I don't know that ANYTHING she's done can be traced to a particular Joni song, but I see a lot of influence. And I always saw Rickie Lee as being HEAVILY influenced by Laura Nyro, by Joni not so much. And last sidebar comment - keep in mind that the average Pitchefork reader is more than half our ages. Not a bad thing, and I visit the site a lot because they cover the indie and cutting edge stuff pretty good. I was very surprised to see that they even gave this collection any print. Bob From: Susan Tierney McNamara > To: Michel BYRNE >; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Pitchfork review I agree with you ... I always scratched my head at Joni comparisons ... even Ricky Lee Jones, who I adore, does not strike me as Joni-like (except for the beret of course). I see Joni as a composer much like the Beatles, orchestral songs, even if it's just her and her guitar. I really like kd lang but her songwriting is not at that level. She is more of a crooner, like Frank Sinatra or Roy Orbison. But Joni ... I guess I just have to go back to what Elvis Costello said about her when describing Shades of Scarlett Conquering ... "You know the line in 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering'- 'Dressed in stolen clothes she stands / Cast-iron and frail / With her impossibly gentle hands / And her blood-red fingernails'? If many songwriters wrote a description as good as that in their whole careers, they would be blessed- and there are five or six lines that good in that one song! It's not just that she has no rivals among female singer-songwriters. She has very few peers among any songwriters." [Vanity Fair - 1997] Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michel BYRNE Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:29 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Pitchfork review I enjoyed this review, though the dismissal of Mingus as a dilettante's effort is disappointing, and the criticism of Crosby's production of STAS as 'intrusive' is a bit bizarre. But the introductory comment about Joni's massive influence got me wondering: what Joni influence do JMDLers recognise in other artists' music-- in terms of actual musical style, not simply general inspiration or 'confessional' writing style?... I'm she's held in great respect by fellow musicians, but I've always had trouble *hearing* her influence in other people's music. The only examples I can think of (but my knowledge of contemporary music is fairly limited) are k.d.lang's C&S-style stacked harmonies in the Ingenue album, and the guitar work in a McAlmont & Butler song called Blue. B. Anyway, just wondering if anyone had any suggestions... Best to all Michel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:23:38 -0800 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: My top 15 It's such a spooky song. I love it through and through. I did tangle with choosing the intro line as well but these are the lyrics that draw the most imagery in my mind and captures the essence of the song for me. On Nov 13, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > 1. The Arrangement > "Racing cars, whisky bars, no one cares who you really are."> > > What grabs me in this one are the lyrics right out of the gate - "You could have been more than a name on the door" gets right to the point. Also have to add that Jenny Goodspeed's take on this one is AMAZING. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:52:46 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Another Box Set review http://tinyurl.com/aj9t92v From Bob Mersereau, a veteran Canadian broadcaster. Obviously not much of a STAS fan. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:54:21 -0800 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?lyric_analysis_=96_the_hissing_of_summer_lawns ?= you'll have to pardon the first bit .. this guy has an ego he has to cover first but after he goes into a rather nice analysis of this work of hers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF87blxjztU ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #387 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe