From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #370 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 1 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 370 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Parallelograms [Shari Eaton ] Taylor vs. Joni [Paul Ivice ] Re: Subject: Joni and Buffy ["Eaton, Shari" ] Re: Taylor vs. Joni [Catherine McKay ] We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? [Jack Merkel Subject: Parallelograms You can download the album here: https://grey.box.com/s/tenq09xy604zmxpif5im Seems Linda doesn't like the Joni association. PARALLELOGRAMS is the unquestioned queen of the hill of female psychedelic albums. Fans of the genre are as unanimous in their praise of this album as mainstream critics are for Joni Mitchells BLUE, almost to the point where its unthinkable that anything else can be better. The Mitchell comparison is an important one here, whether it accurately describes the music or not. Every American female folk-influenced singer/songwriter is immediately compared to Mitchell (and British singer/songwriters to Sandy Denny), and, invariably dismissed as an inferior copy. Perhacs one and only album suffered this very fate. If critics wouldnt take anyone but Joni seriously, why would they bother with this hippie variation of her style? Its a curious form of self-conscious sexism on the part of 70s rock critics (some of which were female) that as long as they gave good reviews to Joni Mitchell, and occasionally Carole King or the rare oddball like Dory Previn or Essra Mohawk, they could ignore and dismiss every other woman in the business. Even thirty years later, we have John Mellencamp on TV saying (Im paraphrasing) Im sorry to have to say this but when it comes to women in rock, theres only one, Joni. (This comes from an overrated buffoon whose own backup violinist, Lisa Germano, has released four or five albums that blow away anything his sorry ass ever did). http://www.timelesslindaperhacs.com/About.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Taylor vs. Joni Catherine McKay wrote: I've heard a few Taylor Swift songs because a friend of my daughter's is a fan and made my daughter go with her to her last concert here in Toronto. Although I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I haven't given the songs on "Red" a listen, so I suppose I should before mouthing off, but I really don't think Ms Swift can hold a candle to Joni and that she has a LONG way to go before ever (if ever) coming close to the maturity, poetry and musicality of Ms Mitchell. I am not a fan of Taylor Swift, but I am a fan of fairness. Ms. Swift willl turn 23 in December. Joni, who will be 69 next week, did not release her first album until she was 25. So if you are going to make any comparisons between the songwriting abilities of Taylor Swift and Joni Mitchell, you should compare Taylor's work to date only with songs Joni had written by the same age, or at most perhaps the songs on her first album. I would suggest that if you can ignore everything Joni wrote later and do not know of the progression she made through the various genres of music over the years, the comparison is not so unfavorable to Swift. I would note that Joni thought many of the songs she had written by the end of 1966, when she was 23, might not have been good enough to release on an album. Paul Ivice Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:24:29 -0700 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: Subject: Joni and Buffy Wow Buffy is cool. I'm ashamed to say I never gave her a listen! I can see how Joni could gain a lot of courage from watching her perform. On Oct 31, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > BTW, Buffy St. Marie was born a Cree Indian, in Saskatchewan. She's been married and divorced three times. > > Wikipedia entry: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Sainte-Marie > > Jim L'Hommedieu > np: Human Wheels by John Mellencamp > also now playing: the doorbell as neighborhood kids look for Trick-or-Treat candy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Taylor vs. Joni Good perspective. Here I was thinking that Joni had written and recorded a lot of her good songs by that age. I've heard a few of Taylor Swift's songs. They don't do much for me, and they're much more in the pop vein, so it's hard to compare, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt. For one thing, times are very different now and we can't expect the music to be the same, if the times are not. And for another thing, I haven't been 17 for a LOOOOOONG time! >________________________________ > From: Paul Ivice >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:45:52 PM >Subject: Taylor vs. Joni > >Catherine McKay wrote: >I've heard a few Taylor Swift songs because a friend of my daughter's is a >fan >and made my daughter go with her to her last concert here in Toronto. >Although >I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I haven't given the songs >on "Red" a listen, so I suppose I should before mouthing off, but I really >don't think Ms Swift can hold a candle to Joni and that she has a LONG way to >go before ever (if ever) coming close to the maturity, poetry and musicality >of Ms Mitchell. > >I am not a fan of Taylor Swift, but I am a fan of fairness. >Ms. Swift willl turn 23 in December. Joni, who will be 69 next week, did not >release her first album until she was 25. >So if you are going to make any comparisons between the songwriting abilities >of Taylor Swift and Joni Mitchell, you >should compare Taylor's work to date only with songs Joni had written by the >same age, or at most perhaps the songs on her first album. >I would suggest that if you can ignore everything Joni wrote later and do not >know of the progression she made through the various genres >of music over the years, the comparison is not so unfavorable to Swift. >I would note that Joni thought many of the songs she had written by the end of >1966, when she was 23, might not have been good enough to release on an >album. > >Paul Ivice > > > > >Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:51:59 -0500 From: Jack Merkel Subject: We Are Stardust! New Joni Mitchell Album in the works? In what appears to be a historic pairing of two cultural icons, rumor has it that Joni Mitchell has decided to reinterpret some of her classic songs from the past, and put a fresh spin on them by incorporating references to the popular Star Wars movies. Never one to rest on her laurels, or shy away from going in unexpected directions, Joni cited the recent sale of the JMDL to the Jedi Masters Discussion List as her inspiration for this project. Bolstered by the recent surge in interest for all things Star Wars, this collaboration could prove to be as popular with her fans as her joint effort with Charles Mingus. Backed by a 70 piece orchestra conducted by John Williams, this record has mega hit written all over it. No release date has been announced. Complete song listing: Urge For Cloning A Woman of Hoth and Mind You Turn Me On, I'm C-3PO The Dry Cleaner From Naboo (No Regrets) Chewbacca Judgement of the Moon and Death Star Big Yellow Starfighter The Ewok That Lived in Lindsey Slouching Towards Coruscant The Last Time I Saw Jar Jar Furry Sings the Blues ( The Wookie's Theme Song) Obi and Marlena Edith and the Dark Lord Palpatine Plains Darth Vader's Reckless Daughter Two Moons at the Window Sith Kills Flat Tires You Dream The Sire of Sorrow (Jabba's Sad Song) The Tatooine Prophesy (Pick Up Your Arms) Dancin' Clone The Only Droid in Town Little Green (Yoda's Theme Song) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #370 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe