From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #340 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 8 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 340 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Photos by Joel Bernstein [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1526 Hejira photos [Mary Morris ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 153 Medium Rare [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Photos by Joel Bernstein ["Eaton, Shari" ] Re: Interestingly... [Bob Muller ] Re: Dylan and Great Joni Songs [Catherine McKay ] RE: herjira music video [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.co] That video [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:50:35 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Photos by Joel Bernstein She has such a wistful expression on her face in #01. At the height of her powers, touring Hejira. Wow. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Flaherty Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 1:47 PM To: JMDL list Subject: Re: Photos by Joel Bernstein I have a poster of #07 above my stereo. Much as I love it I would love #01 even more. Michael F. On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Here are several shots of Joni, made by Joel Bernstein. Click . > > http://www.joelbernstein.com/JM-01.html > > There are 10 all together. > > Jim L'Hommedieu, who is doing some research ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:22:41 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1526 Hejira photos I remember reading that the photos for Hejira were taken in Madison, WI - very near where I was at at the time & I thrillied to hear it years later. I believe the shots were on Lake Mendota. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 03:00:04 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1526 > > > JMDL Digest Saturday, October 6 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1526 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.co] > RE: herjira music video [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] > Re: Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Re: Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein ["Jim L'Hommedieu" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:41:25 -0400 > From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com > Subject: Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein > > I thought there was an interview in The Library which tied together Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, River, the Hejira cover & Bernstein. No joy. I thought maybe it was in the liner notes of "Songs Of A Prairie Girl" but there was no joy there either. > > There are little pieces of the story in many places but nowhere are they all pulled together in one essay. > > I wonder if Joel would write an article to tie all if these pieces together for the online community? I'm keen to hear about it because it shows us the recurring theme between the song River, the harsh winters in Maidstone, Joel's pre-vision as a photographer, Joni's escapism through physical activity and art, etc. These topics also touch on the figure skating in the Shadows And Light video, the too-brief video of Joni skating in Woman Of Heart And Mind, and Joel Bernstein's action shots in the artwork of SOAPG. There is a lot to tie together. I have dibs on it, if Joel doesn't want it. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > (another face in the crowd, as Les often says) > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 00:35:13 -0400 > From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com > Subject: RE: herjira music video > > sue, I'm on my phone so I can't look it up easily. My memory is that the > skating video was part of Shadows And Light edition on LaserDisc and DVD, but > was not part of the VHS edition in the US. > Do I have that right, Simon? > > Sue asked, > This is beautiful, was it part of the Shadows and Light DVD? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:02:27 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein > > Did Karen O'Brien cover this turf in her biography? > > Jim > > > On 10/6/2012 1:50 AM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > > And the pictures in Hejira... And you know there may be more... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:49:23 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein > > Karen tied together about 1/2 of this stuff. I want dibs on this topic. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > > On 10/6/2012 2:02 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > Did Karen O'Brien cover this turf in her biography? > > > > Jim > > > > > > On 10/6/2012 1:50 AM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > >> And the pictures in Hejira... And you know there may be more... > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1526 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 20:42:21 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: Hejira sort of mood I was in a Hejira sorta mood, because of all the postings & this song just came perculating up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkYkjEOIMk4 I love me some Tom Waits & this bit about being so original........that Joni disses Bob D.......well, she's in that stratsophere to complain....but don't all the great artists use what they observe... ? Can you not be original & true to your sources at the same time ? You proclaim so loudly that your roots evolve only from the fields & playgrounds of your youth ? I know Joni would like to narrow down her sources.....and she may have claim to that, but you can't be a musician, or an artist, and not note or claim anyone who came before you. Seriously. I love her even when I disagree with her press, but never her music. JM is an original, but she is not an original w/o ears. I love her all the more for it. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 18:41:18 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 153 Medium Rare Hi Catherine, I was only aware of Elixir's self titled album. Katie Noonan was one of the performers at the Joni Mitchell tribute concert at the Sydney Opera House which I reviewed for JM.com. She was the highlight of the show for me. Katie stood out like a beacon among the seven performers. Katie's jazz take on Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is a nice break on the album too. Mark in Sydney On 07/10/2012, at 6:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Joni Covers, Volume 153 Medium Rare ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:02:10 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Photos by Joel Bernstein Here are several shots of Joni, made by Joel Bernstein. Click . http://www.joelbernstein.com/JM-01.html There are 10 all together. Jim L'Hommedieu, who is doing some research ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:38:01 -0700 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: Photos by Joel Bernstein Really lovely. Thank you for sharing. On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Here are several shots of Joni, made by Joel Bernstein. Click . > > http://www.joelbernstein.com/JM-01.html > > There are 10 all together. > > Jim L'Hommedieu, who is doing some research ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Interestingly... That would be cool for sure...maybe we'll watch Shadows & Light. Bob To: JMDL Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: Interestingly... Georgio wrote in reply to my thank you note for sharing such a special evening. bSee you next year.b I am wondering whether this might mean theybll be doing a similar evening again next year? Warmly, Cassy NP: Two Grey Rooms b Joni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dylan and Great Joni Songs Re: the Dylan/plagiarisim thing, I don't really remember what she said or the context, because context means a lot, but I agree with you about Joni's sometimes being a little (or at least coming across as) too opinionated and too quick to judge. I like honesty but there's a line between being honest and being hurtful. In any case, great artists steal from others all the time. From what Joni is quoted as saying about others, it seems that she doesn't care for too many other artists at all and I don't like it when anyone disses others. I also agree with you about "Cherokee Louise". I think Joni did a wonderful job of capturing what it was (is) like to be a girl at that age - still innocent and adventurous but having been suddenly exposed to the dark underbelly of the adult world. She captures that feeling in both the lyrics and the music. I do prefer the original version. I can't really get into "Travelogue" all that much, except in small doses. >________________________________ > From: Michel BYRNE >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:21:04 AM >Subject: Dylan and Great Joni Songs > >Hi Shari, I'm sure you'll find quite a lot of correspondence on the 'Dylan a >plagiarist' comments in the jmdl archives. To be honest it's not an episode I >like to revisit: although the issues raised are fascinating (what's >'originality' in art, what's 'plagiarism', etc), the spirit in which Joni >seems to have made her comments was (to me) unpardonably mean, and seriously >dented my admiration for her. I don't follow the music press very closely, >but I've never come across any other musician so willing to publicly diss >fellow musicians. I'm not sure where Joni's extreme competitiveness comes from >(insecurity? but why?), but combined with her unwillingness (or inability) to >self-censure her opinions, it presents a very unpleasant public image-- which >isn't to deny her great charm and humour in other situations. > >But forgetting the contentious personality, the great music remains-- and can >I make a pitch for *Cherokee Louise* as one of her *great* songs? I totally >agree with folk's comments about 'Magdalene Laundries', but to me CL is an >even more amazing work of empathetic art. There she manages to get into the >skin not of an adult looking back on youth, but of a young teenager reflecting >on her 'coming of age' in the past year (through her friendship with an abuse >victim) -- the mix of childish memories (swaying in the branches, pennies on >the rail) and premature adulthood (with a sense of the oppressiveness of >adults: parental control, the police, the abusive foster-dad) is perfectly >pitched and (imo) emotionally devastating. I love the guitar and ghostly >stacked vocals of the original (on NRH), but the orchestral version on >Travelogue is so beautiful too, especially the sad playful lines on the sax at >the very end (at least I think it's a sax), like children hopping, skipping >away into the distance. To me, Joni's genius in that song is equal to anything >she did earlier. > >Have been away or lurking for a long time, but thanks to you all for all the >discussions and reports, and Bob for his indefatigable providing of Joni >covers! >Michel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 00:35:13 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: RE: herjira music video sue, I'm on my phone so I can't look it up easily. My memory is that the skating video was part of Shadows And Light edition on LaserDisc and DVD, but was not part of the VHS edition in the US. Do I have that right, Simon? Sue asked, This is beautiful, was it part of the Shadows and Light DVD? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:41:25 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, & Bernstein I thought there was an interview in The Library which tied together Ice skating, black crow, Cranston, River, the Hejira cover & Bernstein. No joy. I thought maybe it was in the liner notes of "Songs Of A Prairie Girl" but there was no joy there either. There are little pieces of the story in many places but nowhere are they all pulled together in one essay. I wonder if Joel would write an article to tie all if these pieces together for the online community? I'm keen to hear about it because it shows us the recurring theme between the song River, the harsh winters in Maidstone, Joel's pre-vision as a photographer, Joni's escapism through physical activity and art, etc. These topics also touch on the figure skating in the Shadows And Light video, the too-brief video of Joni skating in Woman Of Heart And Mind, and Joel Bernstein's action shots in the artwork of SOAPG. There is a lot to tie together. I have dibs on it, if Joel doesn't want it. Jim L'Hommedieu (another face in the crowd, as Les often says) Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:58:43 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: That video That video is part of a DVD concert called "Shadow And Light". There is a lot more to discover there. For example, the live version of "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines". Jim L. Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #340 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe