From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #335 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 5 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 335 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: herjira music video [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1517 - my Ruby Lake story [Catherine McKay ] Re: quintessential Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: herjira music video The Hejira video on Youtube is from the Shadows and Light live performance (available on DVD.) >________________________________ > From: Shari Eaton >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18:24 AM >Subject: Re: herjira music video > >I'm heading to bed now but I'll upload for you tomorrow! I thought it was odd >too. Someone in the comments mentioned it might have been a promotional tool >for the ballet dancer they used. Not convinced though. There must be backstory >somewhere we could dig up. > >When she mentioned being a bird two lives ago .. I don't know it just makes me >tear up to see her beating her beautiful wings. > >Lots of Joni, >Shari > > > >On Oct 4, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Jussi Pukkila wrote: > >> Oh, it's a copyright thing. I get a quick warning that the clip is not >available in my country, after which the page switches to playing "Blue Motel >Room" with just the album cover photo. Not much wing flapping in that >"video"... >> >> Could someone save the clip (with keepvid.com) and send it to me as a file? >I would really like to see it... It's curious that they made a video for the >track when it wasn't a single - why not for Black Crow? >> >> --jussi >> >> >> Shari Eaton wrote: >>> It works for me. Alternatively, you could go to YouTube and type in Herjira >music video. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Jussi Pukkila wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I only see the album cover, no video. Is that the correct link? >>>> >>>> --jussi >>>> >>>> >>>> Eaton, Shari wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> i hadn't seen this so thought i'd send it along: >>>>> >>>>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg7F2-rYXno&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9C0AEs >w9AaFkKcM0VAuebDx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> i love watching her flap her wings : ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 05:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1517 - my Ruby Lake story Welcome, Deanna. I'm happy for you that you were able to go to Ruby Lake, and that you've joined this discussion list. You live in a beautiful part of the world. I live in Toronto but was in BC on a visit a few years ago and I think I could be very happy living there. As others have said, a lot of us have been on this discussion list for quite a while, so we do get into talking about just about anything (including Joni!) and not always in flattering tones, although you will notice that the discussion goes back and forth with different opinions or different takes and sometimes there's a balance. And we do sometimes get into discussions about her voice, aging and so on. Unfortunately, we all age. I find that I don't always notice my own aging until I see a photo of myself and cringe but that it's so much easier to notice the changes in people we haven't seen for a while and maybe it's just a reminder of our own mortality (but that it shouldn't come as any great surprise) when we notice that Joni too is aging. >________________________________ > From: Deanna Knight >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:59:00 PM >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1517 - my Ruby Lake story > >Hello Folks >I am new to this list but not new to Joni and her magical musical journey. >As a artist myself, she is by far my biggest inspiration and cherished >songwriter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:21:04 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Dylan and Great Joni Songs Hi Shari, I'm sure you'll find quite a lot of correspondence on the 'Dylan a plagiarist' comments in the jmdl archives. To be honest it's not an episode I like to revisit: although the issues raised are fascinating (what's 'originality' in art, what's 'plagiarism', etc), the spirit in which Joni seems to have made her comments was (to me) unpardonably mean, and seriously dented my admiration for her. I don't follow the music press very closely, but I've never come across any other musician so willing to publicly diss fellow musicians. I'm not sure where Joni's extreme competitiveness comes from (insecurity? but why?), but combined with her unwillingness (or inability) to self-censure her opinions, it presents a very unpleasant public image-- which isn't to deny her great charm and humour in other situations. But forgetting the contentious personality, the great music remains-- and can I make a pitch for *Cherokee Louise* as one of her *great* songs? I totally agree with folk's comments about 'Magdalene Laundries', but to me CL is an even more amazing work of empathetic art. There she manages to get into the skin not of an adult looking back on youth, but of a young teenager reflecting on her 'coming of age' in the past year (through her friendship with an abuse victim) -- the mix of childish memories (swaying in the branches, pennies on the rail) and premature adulthood (with a sense of the oppressiveness of adults: parental control, the police, the abusive foster-dad) is perfectly pitched and (imo) emotionally devastating. I love the guitar and ghostly stacked vocals of the original (on NRH), but the orchestral version on Travelogue is so beautiful too, especially the sad playful lines on the sax at the very end (at least I think it's a sax), like children hopping, skipping away into the distance. To me, Joni's genius in that song is equal to anything she did earlier. Have been away or lurking for a long time, but thanks to you all for all the discussions and reports, and Bob for his indefatigable providing of Joni covers! Michel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:24:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: quintessential Joni Back in the day, I made mix tapes for people (which morphed into CD's), typically consisting of music that I didn't think they had but would like based on what I knew about them. The early Pandora genome, if you will. Sometimes I hit a bullseye ("Animal Day" by Wall of Voodoo became one of my younger sister's favorite songs) and sometimes I missed the mark (my older sister - don't make me listen to ANOTHER Elvis Costello song ever!") I say this as a semi-answer to the question; for me it would depend on WHO I was sharing with. I wouldn't hesitate to use "Hejira" for me Dad who is a word guy but wouldn't throw that one at too many others. If my friend was more comfortable with country music they would probably get "You Turn Me On" as an intro. If it was someone I was trying to ditch and never hear from again it would be "Dancing Clown"....and so on. I'm not sure there is such a thing as a quintessential Joni song - the word almost forces a sense of limitation, of pigeonholing that's not fair to Joni or to the listener. It would be a better exercise to play a 5-6 song set to showcase Joni's versatility. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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