From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #321 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 28 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 321 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Big Yellow Taxi [Paul Ivice ] Re: BYT and other hippy songs [Sally ] Re: BYT and other hippy songs ["Mark" ] Re: BYT and other hippy songs [Sally ] Hippy Songs and Stevie Nicks Sjc [Rob Procyk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Big Yellow Taxi From: Betsy >>> To: joni@smoe.org >>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:57:28 PM >>> Subject: BYT and other hippie songs >>> >>> Big Yellow Taxi ... tops my list of songs that I wish she could unwrite. Maybe its the only song on my list....there are less popular songs I could do without, but they aren't foisted upon me at the pizza parlor. >>> I find this comment to be especially strange coming from a Joni fan because not only is "Don't It Always Seem to Go That You Don't Know What You've Got Til It's Gone" the lyric of Joni's that unquestionably has become the most deeply rooted in the social lexicon, but I would also suggest that more than any other Joni song, the entirety of BYT represents Joni more philosophically, politically and perhaps even emotionally, Much like the way Steve Goodman's last verse of "You Never Even Call Me By My Name," added at the request of David Allen Coe, gathers in a few lines all of the elements that make it the "greatest country song of all time," within BYT are all of the key elements -- a broken love affair, saving the environment, getting back to the land and criticizing some human's overemphasis on profit - -- that run through almost all of Joni's lyrics, but in no other song of hers are they so complete and quintessential. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:36:33 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: BYT and other hippy songs > They are definitely overplayed - more examples where I want to yell, "Is THAT all you GOT?" to the music gods whenever I hear one of these played as shopping background music. This made me spit my water across the room I laughed so hard! Thanks for that! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:26 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Have to agree with you about some of the C&S tracks. They are definitely overplayed - more examples where I want to yell, "Is THAT all you GOT?" to the music gods whenever I hear one of these played as shopping background music. > > I absolutely cannot stand Stevie Nicks's "Dreams." I think it has to be one of the most boring songs ever - just the same thing sung over and over again, and the same few notes. Plus the way the line, "When the rain wash-ES you clean, you'll know" scans. She should have rewritten that to find something that fits the music better. For years, I had absolutely no idea what that line was supposed to be. > From: Sally > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Cc: "joni-digest@smoe.org" > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:31:46 PM > Subject: BYT and other hippy songs > > Hey Rob! > > Agree with you on the C&S tracks. They are great but ruined by radio. Interesting that I once read that Stevie Nicks spoke reverentially in an interview about how strongly she related to Same Situation. I'm still exploring that idea in my head! > As for the Stevie tracks you mentioned, I strongly agree there...she's a great songwriter. I was thinking more along the lines of Dreams, Landslide, the FM tracks. Those make me want to stuff my ears with cotton! Oh what radio play can do! :0 > > > But unlike Sally, though, I love most of Stevie's singles - well, from The Wild Heart and Rock A Little, anyway. As for Bella Donna, I could live without the duets, and why After the Glitter Fades was a single is beyond me. How Still My Love or Outside the Rain shoulda been brought to the masses. > > Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:10 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, September 27 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1479 > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > > -------- > > BYT and Other hippy songs [Rob And Tracy ] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:21:41 -0600 > > From: Rob And Tracy > > Subject: BYT and Other hippy songs > > > > Oh Cat, I knew there was a reason I like you so much - I feel much the same way. The Judy Collins version is just so schmaltzy for me. It sounds almost... I dunno... Good Morning Starshine-Ish to me, if you know what I mean. Kinda like it was a Hair reject or something. > > > > BYT was on my sh*t list as in "makes me wanna shove pencils in my ears to cause permanent damage", but I gotta say, I am cautiously not as annoyed by it anymore. For me, Help Me and Free Man in Paris are the two I now avoid. > > > > And I know it's a sacred cow, but River is going that way too, which I never thought I would say, because it was essentially what blew my mind when I found Joni. But too many people have done it, and frankly, when Sarah M. remakes a song, it's the kiss o' death. Mea culpa I feel guilty even mentioning River..... > > > > I admit, I still love CSN's Woodstock, and I like that schmaltzy version by that loungey sounding group - Southern Comfort something or other. LOL, and I admit I love Nazareth's This Flight Tonight. > > > > But unlike Sally, though, I love most of Stevie's singles - well, from The Wild Heart and Rock A Little, anyway. As for Bella Donna, I could live without the duets, and why After the Glitter Fades was a single is beyond me. How Still My Love or Outside the Rain shoulda been brought to the masses. > > > > Love all the new discussion! > > > > Rob > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 2012-09-27, at 3:57 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > >> > >> JMDL Digest Thursday, September 27 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1475 > >> > >> > >> > >> ========== > >> > >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > >> -------- > >> Re: BYT and other hippie songs [Catherine McKay ] > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:54:57 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: Catherine McKay > >> Subject: Re: BYT and other hippie songs > >> > >> The ones that annoy me most are the ones that have been covered a hundred million times, often badly. There are a LOT of corny, schmaltzy, mediocre and copycattish versions of BSN around, to the point where, if I hear that yet another artist is going to cover it, I just cringe. I really don't like the Judy Collins version. The arrangement is too bland, and a lot of covers use that version or a similar arrangement, rendered even blander, likely because Judy had the hit with it. In fact, I don't even like hearing Joni sing it anymore. Having said that, every now and then, that song will come on, either one of Joni's versions, or a cover, and I'll think, "Hey - that sounds good!" > >> > >> "Big Yellow Taxi" annoys the living crap out of me, no matter who sings it, because too many people just copy what someone else has already done. I don't mind the "Shine" version as much, but would still probably skip it eight times out of ten. I don't care for "the Circle Game" at all. I think I've heard it too often and it just seems interminable sometimes, especially that damn chorus about the seasons going round and round and the painted ponies going up and down - enough already! Likewise "Woodstock." Yeah, yeah, child of god, blah-blah-blah, although I do like "we are stardust/we are golden". "River" is heading towards "Make me wanna barf land" because there are just too many damn covers and now it seems to have morphed into a Christmas standard. The next thing you know, they'll be singing it in churches. Too bad, because I actually like that song, but other people are ruining it, damn them! > >> > >> I'm pretty much off most of "Clouds" with the exception of "Tin Angel," "I don't know where I stand," "I think I understand" and "that song about the Midway." > >> > >> Most of the time when I hear a Joni song played in a shopping mall, I want to yell, "She did write some other stuff, y'know!" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Betsy > >>> To: joni@smoe.org > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:57:28 PM > >>> Subject: BYT and other hippie songs > >>> > >>> Big Yellow Taxi is one of the few Joni songs that you still hear in public. And it tops my list of songs that I wish she could unwrite. Maybe its the only song on my list....there are less popular songs I could do without, but they aren't foisted upon me at the pizza parlor. > >>> > >>> As for other disliked signature JM songs, Woodstock has its place in history. Chelsea Morning is also pretty corny, but Joni sings it so beautifully. Judy Collins' version is awful. For a long time, I thought I hated Both Sides Now and The Circle Game, but now I feel like they are deservedly classic. > >>> > >>> Does anyone else have songs they just hate? Why? > >>> > >>> Betsy > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1475 > >> ****************************** > >> > >> ------- > >> To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: > >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > >> ------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1479 > > ****************************** > > > > ------- > > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:27:15 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: BYT and other hippy songs Storms! Yes! Another beautiful song! I've never ever been any blue calm sea I have always been a storm.... Love it! Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Sally Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:41 PM To: Mark Cc: ; Subject: Re: BYT and other hippy songs Hey Mark, Ya know...I did forget about Sara! I do love that track. I would say I'd exclude the whole of Tusk because I think it might be Stevie's best writing (Sisters of the Moon...Storms...Sara ...Beautiful Child)! All lovely! Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:12 PM, "Mark" wrote: > On the subject of Stevie Nicks: > > There was a time when 'Sara' would reduce me to tears every time I heard > it. > > Still love 'Landslide'. I don't like hearing covers of it, though. It's > just too much a Stevie Nicks song in my head. > > 'Silver Spring' is another nice one. > > Guess I like depressing songs! > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: Sally > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:31 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: BYT and other hippy songs > > Hey Rob! > > Agree with you on the C&S tracks. They are great but ruined by radio. > Interesting that I once read that Stevie Nicks spoke reverentially in an > interview about how strongly she related to Same Situation. I'm still > exploring that idea in my head! > As for the Stevie tracks you mentioned, I strongly agree there...she's a > great songwriter. I was thinking more along the lines of Dreams, > Landslide, the FM tracks. Those make me want to stuff my ears with > cotton! Oh what radio play can do! :0 > > > But unlike Sally, though, I love most of Stevie's singles - well, from The > Wild Heart and Rock A Little, anyway. As for Bella Donna, I could live > without the duets, and why After the Glitter Fades was a single is beyond > me. How Still My Love or Outside the Rain shoulda been brought to the > masses. > > Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:10 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) > wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:41:02 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: BYT and other hippy songs Hey Mark, Ya know...I did forget about Sara! I do love that track. I would say I'd exclude the whole of Tusk because I think it might be Stevie's best writing (Sisters of the Moon...Storms...Sara ...Beautiful Child)! All lovely! Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:12 PM, "Mark" wrote: > On the subject of Stevie Nicks: > > There was a time when 'Sara' would reduce me to tears every time I heard it. > > Still love 'Landslide'. I don't like hearing covers of it, though. It's just too much a Stevie Nicks song in my head. > > 'Silver Spring' is another nice one. > > Guess I like depressing songs! > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: Sally > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:31 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: BYT and other hippy songs > > Hey Rob! > > Agree with you on the C&S tracks. They are great but ruined by radio. Interesting that I once read that Stevie Nicks spoke reverentially in an interview about how strongly she related to Same Situation. I'm still exploring that idea in my head! > As for the Stevie tracks you mentioned, I strongly agree there...she's a great songwriter. I was thinking more along the lines of Dreams, Landslide, the FM tracks. Those make me want to stuff my ears with cotton! Oh what radio play can do! :0 > > > But unlike Sally, though, I love most of Stevie's singles - well, from The Wild Heart and Rock A Little, anyway. As for Bella Donna, I could live without the duets, and why After the Glitter Fades was a single is beyond me. How Still My Love or Outside the Rain shoulda been brought to the masses. > > Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:10 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:08:02 -0600 From: Rob Procyk Subject: Hippy Songs and Stevie Nicks Sjc Yeah, I think both Stevie and Lindsey's contributions are brilliant on Tusk. I Too hate the Landslide remakes, but the original still chokes me up, as does "Crystal". Next to "Gypsy", which is my favorite song ever, I really, really love "That's Alright" from Mirage. Something about it haunts me. Anyway, I still like Dreams, and sort of love the washES thing, but if I never hear " Don't Stop" again, I will be oh so happy. And, I gotta say, Stevie's "Nightbird" always makes me think of my dearly departed mother, so I will always love that single - its one of those "I've drunk too much wine and I am going to watch a performance on you tube and do the ugly cry" things that you just need to do about twice a year, you know? But it's funny - Stevie's signature single is "Stand Back", but I never hear it overplayed. Indeed, if I hear it on Muzak or radio, I get excited. But Joni? They overplay The C&S singles - at least here in Canada. Same goes for BYT. It's funny what gets thrown into Oldies rotation. Ah, well, I always say, at least it's a nickel in Joni's pocket each time it's played! TGIF, Rob Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-27, at 10:30 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > JMDL Digest Friday, September 28 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1498 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: BYT and other hippy songs ["Mark" ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:27:15 -0700 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Re: BYT and other hippy songs > > Storms! Yes! Another beautiful song! > > I've never ever been any blue calm sea > I have always been a storm.... > > Love it! > > Mark in Seattle > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Sally > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:41 PM > To: Mark > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: BYT and other hippy songs > > Hey Mark, > > Ya know...I did forget about Sara! I do love that track. I would say I'd > exclude the whole of Tusk because I think it might be Stevie's best writing > (Sisters of the Moon...Storms...Sara ...Beautiful Child)! All lovely! > > Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > > On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:12 PM, "Mark" wrote: > >> On the subject of Stevie Nicks: >> >> There was a time when 'Sara' would reduce me to tears every time I heard >> it. >> >> Still love 'Landslide'. I don't like hearing covers of it, though. It's >> just too much a Stevie Nicks song in my head. >> >> 'Silver Spring' is another nice one. >> >> Guess I like depressing songs! >> >> Mark in Seattle >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Sally >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:31 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org >> Subject: BYT and other hippy songs >> >> Hey Rob! >> >> Agree with you on the C&S tracks. They are great but ruined by radio. >> Interesting that I once read that Stevie Nicks spoke reverentially in an >> interview about how strongly she related to Same Situation. I'm still >> exploring that idea in my head! >> As for the Stevie tracks you mentioned, I strongly agree there...she's a >> great songwriter. I was thinking more along the lines of Dreams, >> Landslide, the FM tracks. Those make me want to stuff my ears with >> cotton! Oh what radio play can do! :0 >> >> >> But unlike Sally, though, I love most of Stevie's singles - well, from The >> Wild Heart and Rock A Little, anyway. As for Bella Donna, I could live >> without the duets, and why After the Glitter Fades was a single is beyond >> me. How Still My Love or Outside the Rain shoulda been brought to the >> masses. >> >> Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone >> >> On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:10 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) >> wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1498 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #321 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe