From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 20 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 305 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: new doctoral thesis about Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Conversations with Joni [LC Stanley ] new doctoral thesis about Joni [Jussi Pukkila ] Re: Quad C&S in Stereo (2 Songs) - Link is NOW Active! ["Randy Remote" ] Re: new doctoral thesis about Joni [David Lahm ] new doctoral thesis about Joni [Jussi Pukkila ] New Library item: People [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:01:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: new doctoral thesis about Joni <- Currently, all culture is visual and increasingly more attention is paid on the appearance/looks of women.> Well, this is what she's been saying for years now - and for good reason. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Love, Laura On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > There's a guy up here who has a TV show on CBC. His name is George > Stroumboulopoulos and much of his show is interviewing people - politicians, > musicians, actors, bookwriters, athletes and so on. I've been to the taping of > his show a few times and he always asks the audience (either before or after > the taping) if they have any questions for him. People often ask him if he > ever gets nervous or intimidated by people he's going to interview. He said > that he doesn't have that gene and that he's never nervous or intimidated. He > says you should talk to people just like you're having a conversation with > someone on the bus. I think it shows because he's very personable and casual > and friendly and people open up to him. > > > And, for Joni content, while you're > waiting to go into the studio, they pass out cards for people to fill out so > they can sign up for emails, let Strombo know what you're reading and > listening to and so on. One question they ask is, who would you like to see > George interview. And, of course, each and every time I've filled out one of > those cards, I always say Joni. Not just because I'm a Joni fan, but I think > that George and Joni would get along like a house on fire. He's a good-looking > young man (he's 40 now, but looks younger) and I think that Joni would like > him a lot. I do hope they ask her for an interview and that she gives him one! >> ________________________________ >> From: Lori Fye >> To: > joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 6:45:59 AM >> Subject: Re: > Conversations with Joni >> >> I'm sending this to the list again without the > N*JC because it's a good >> conversation about actually meeting Joni. >> >> This > part struck me, especially: >> >>> It was one of the most important experiences > of my life >>> as the exchange became one human being talking with >>> another > about something very simple. >> >> I think, personally, that Joni probably tires > of all the adoration and >> would truly appreciate a normal conversation with a > fan about everyday >> things. I would like to think that, should I ever be so > lucky to meet >> Joni, I would remember what I always tell myself about > everyone: we all >> put our pants on one leg at a time. Joni is a person, > first. She just >> happens to be a brilliant songwriter, musician, singer, and > painter (and >> who knows what else). Maybe, because I've had the good fortune > to have >> worked for some "famous" people, I just see everyone as a person who > does >> "this" or "that" for a living or as a passionate hobby or whatever. But >> they are all still just everyday people, in the end, and I would enjoy >> having a conversation with Joni about cold remedies. >> >> Besides, you never > know what song or painting might come of it. :-) >> >> Lori >> Dotzheim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:40:35 +0300 From: Jussi Pukkila Subject: new doctoral thesis about Joni Forgot to include the title: Dissertation: A female musician can't be thoroughly feminine (I'm not sure what's the kosher term: 'female' or 'woman' musician/rocker...) - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:51:55 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Quad C&S in Stereo (2 Songs) - Link is NOW Active! Wow, thanks, Simon!! Listened to this a couple of times against the HDCD version of C&S. PP has a crisper, more detailed sound, Wilton Felder's bass stands out in a good way. The background vox at the end reveal themselves more clearly. Joni's layered acoustic guitars are lush, left, right and center. On Same Situation, it sounds like there was a close mic and a distant mic for the piano. In the quad version, the distant mic is up much higher, and they are panned right/left for a spacious effect. The lead vocals on both are crisp, present, and dry, no reverb. Nice to get another angle on these amazing recordings. I recommend burning these to CD and listening on a good system or with headphones. I converted the aiff files to wav using switch audio converter, then burned the wav to CD with Roxio. Note: the HDCD C&S was a large improvement over the original CD. Regarding The Last Waltz and producer John Simon's quote that virtually all of it except Levon Helm's drums and vocals and Muddy Water's vocal were re-recorded after the concert, and my question about whether Joni was re-recorded later.... Again thanks for the complete Joni set from the bootleg. I do not have a copy of the movie or official ST at this time to compare it to. And, the question is, what did they bootleg? It's clearly not an audience recording, so could have been the original live recording, or post overdubbing. A rough mix? The bass sounds suspiciously good, I have heard that Danko's bass was out of tune throughout and had to be redone. Also synthesizers, etc, almost doesn't sound like The Band on "Shadows And Light", and what a different take on that song. Then you have Neil Young's harmonica on Furry, probably the only time he played this with Joni, other than on Hejira. And pretty ballsy of her to play Furry for a partying rock crowd, but they stayed with her. Great to hear these and it would be interesting to ask her about the whole experience. I read that Van Morrison did not overdub his vocals, I suppose Joni did not either. Quality was pretty good, hopefully there are masters somewhere to go on the box set that comes out in 2240. RR From: > The YouSendIt WebSite is back up and ready for DownLoading. > The 'Link' to the 2-Songs is active until Sept. 30. More Later. > Check out "People's Parties" and "The Same Situation" from the Quad COURT > And SPARK album. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:35:21 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: The weather and everyone's health A little of all three, actually. My daughter Amelia was Eliza in a community theatre production last summer. I came thisclose to posting a link of the scene, but just transcribed it instead. CC > From: mark.travis@frontier.com > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: The weather and everyone's health > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:28:48 -0700 > > Precisely! > > Either you were involved in a production, have a script or a photographic > memory! > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- > From: c Karma > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:30 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: The weather and everyone's health > > Like this???? > > Will it rain, do you think? > > > '"The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain.'"'"But in Hartford, Hereford > and Hampshire,hurricanes hardly ever happen.'" > How awfully funny. > > What is wrong with that, young man? > I bet I got it right. > > Smashing. > > > Has it suddenly turned chilly? > > > > I do hope we won't have > any unseasonable cold spells. > They bring on so much influenza. > And the whole of our family > is susceptible to it. > > > > My aunt died of influenza, so they said. > But it's my belief they done > the old woman in. > > > Done her in? > > Yes, Lord love you. > Why should she die of influenza... > ...when she'd come through diphtheria > right enough the year before. > Fairly blue with it she was. > They all thought she was dead. > But my father, he kept ladling gin > down her throat. > Then she come to so sudden > she bit the bowl off the spoon. > > Dear me! > > Now what call would a woman > with that strength in her... > ...have to die of influenza? > And what become of her new straw hat > that should have come to me? > Somebody pinched it. > And what I say is: > Them 'as pinched it, done her in. > > Done her in? '"Done her in,'" did you say? > > Whatever does it mean? > > That's the new small talk. > '"To do somebody in'" means to kill them. > > But you surely don't believe > your aunt was killed? > > Do I not? > Them she lived with would have killed her > for a hatpin, let alone a hat. > > But it can't have been right > for your father... > ...to pour spirits down her throat like that. > It might have killed her. > > Not her. Gin was mother's milk to her. > Besides, he poured so much down > his own throat he knew the good of it. > > Do you mean that he drank? > > Drank? My word. Something chronic. > Here, what are you sniggering at? > > The new small talk. You do it so awfully well. > Well, if I was doing it proper, > what was you sniggering at? > > Have I said anything I oughtn't?Not at all, my dear. > > Well, that's a mercy anyhow. > CC"He comes for conversation." - JM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:24:34 -0400 From: David Lahm Subject: Re: new doctoral thesis about Joni Mitchell denies her womanhood and wants to be perceived as genderless or masculine? give me an f....ing break! DAVID LAHM On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Jussi Pukkila wrote: > Forgot to include the title: > > Dissertation: A female musician can't be thoroughly feminine > > (I'm not sure what's the kosher term: 'female' or 'woman' > musician/rocker...) > > > --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:36:50 +0300 From: Jussi Pukkila Subject: new doctoral thesis about Joni I caiught this newsbit today: http://yle.fi/uutiset/vaitos_naismuusikko_ei_voi_olla_lapeensa_naisellinen/6300327 YLE is the 'BBC of Finland', so to speak, the state-run TV/radio/news company. Here's a translation: The general appearance of the female musicians is given increasingly more attention in the rock press. So says Anne Karppinen of the University of Jyvdskyld, who will present on Saturday her doctoral thesis about the musician Joni Mitchell. According to the study, women musicians were downplayed already in the 1960s and 70s in the American rock press. Canadian singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell often discussed womanhood in her texts from various angles. Especially in the early years of her career, she focused on the problems of the urban single woman, which was new at the time. The research dissertation of Phil.Lic. Anne Karppinen is unique. Not much academic research has been done abroad either. For example, Leonard Cohenista has been the subject of research already since the 70s. - - I would argue it is because Mitchell is a woman. In the rock press i have studied, the canon of rock has been built the way that men have been brought forward as central characters. Woman musicians aspire to be masculine For her dissertation, Karppinen has not only studied rock press but also Mitchell's nine studio albums. The reception the musician received by the press in the past was mainly good. - - It was a good thing that she was talked about, as some women artists were completely ignored. However, with each record, Mitchell had to prove herself to critics, unlike Bob Dylan or Cohen, whose albums were always waited with enthusiasm and eagerness. Mitchell was also the focus of criticism. - - Mitchell's voice and lyrics were ridiculed in the press, that she is a frivulous soprano writing about feelings. Karppinen's dissertation asserts that a credible woman/female rocker can't be thoroughly feminine. - - If you want to be a woman in rock, in some way you have to act and write songs like men, to get past/over your femininity. According to the dissertation, many female musicians, Mitchell included, deny their womanhood and want to be perceived as genderless or masculine. Women's appearance still in scrutiny According to Karppinen, the approach of the press to women artists has changed. - - Currently, all culture is visual and increasingly more attention is paid on the appearance/looks of women. On the other hand, the rock press is no longer as central/imporatnt as in the 60s and 70s. - - On the internet, fans have their own sites and artists market themselves, so it is no longer that important what the critics are saying, Karppinen says. Ville Vedenpdd Yle News ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:34:09 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: People Title: People Publication: Time Date: 1986.6.2 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2520 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #305 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe