From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 6 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 285 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1282 [Angel Diva Music ] RE: Jericho and For Love or Money ["Robert Sartorius" ] Re: Jericho and For Love or Money [Michael Flaherty ] shadows and light [] RE: Jericho and For Love or Money [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Urge For Going - Tom Rush 1966 ["Pat Boland" ] Re: Jericho and For Love or Money [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:22:04 -0700 From: Angel Diva Music Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1282 Hi there, How do I get an email just once a day? Thanks, Jan Angel Diva Music jan@angeldivamusic.com On Sep 5, 2012, at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 5 2012 Volume 2012 : > Number 1282 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance ["Eaton, Shari" ] > Re: Urge for Going ["Pat Boland" >] > Re: Joni appearance, for real. [Michael Flaherty >] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:55:56 -0700 > From: "Eaton, Shari" > Subject: Re: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance > > Wow the difference between this line is quite remarkable > > For she fears that one will ask her > For eternity > > As she fears no one will ask her > For eternity > > > Her ultimate conflict! Cheers Simon and Sue. This is a wonderful. > > > > > On Sep 4, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > >> These early performances are such gems. Thanks Simon! The choice >> of words > aside I think the act of performing only what was current on her > creative > palette is something Joni continued to do, sometimes to the chagrin > of her > fans. Another example of this was her version of All I Want at what > was > called the "pink dress" performance. I'm hoping that my fumbling will > continue to entice you to send us more of these marvelous emails, > Simon!!! > And more again, Please!! :-) >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: simon@icu.com [mailto:simon@icu.com] >> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:46 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara >> Subject: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara wrote >> >> >>> Subject: RE: CONVERSATION: early (longer) version >>> >>> You will find as you listen to a lot of these early concerts that >>> Joni > brought to her sets these embryonic songs >>> that are standards today. I remember on one set she says "I wrote >>> this > song today" and then proceeds to sing >>> a rough but incredible version of Cactus Tree, singing "she hopes >>> that one > will ask her for eternity" a line she >>> quickly changed later. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think with both this song and the longer Conversation, Joni >>> edits down to > a version that is more universal, >>> and she takes out some of the more angry primary color >>> emotions ... a great > look into Joni's writing process >>> and why she is such an amazing songwriter. >>> >>> Sue >>> - - - - - >> >> >> Sue, >> >> FWIW - I wouldn't describe any of Joni's performances of New Songs as > "embryonic" >> >> Rarely do we ever actually hear a song that isn't "nearly" >> complete. Misc. > words and phrases are sometimes changed between an early performance > and the > album version, but these changes are not usually that dramatic. >> >> OTOH: She removed the 3rd verse of "Conversation" from the LOTC >> recording, > before release; >> And added a 5th verse to "Cactus Tree" >> >> >> As for "Cactus Tree" >> >> Although it's been widely bootlegged, I'm not sure many JMDL >> members are > familiar with this particular recording, and why it's interesting > and unique. >> >> It's the first public performance of a then new song "Cactus Tree" >> >> Here's how Joni introduced the song that night: >> >> "Cactus Tree" - Introduction >> >> This song I just wrote today, so if you notice the melody sort >> of varies > verse to verse. >> It's because I haven't really decided on a few things, so I'm >> throwing > them all out at you. >> Everytime I hear whispering, I'll take that part out . doesn't >> hold > their attention there. >> >> >> There are several differences between this recording and the version > eventually recorded for "SONG TO A SEAGULL". >> The verses appear in a different order ... AND, the last verse, >> the 'Killer > Kyle' verse, is not yet been present. >> - - - - - >> >> >> I transcribed and typed out the Lyrics as performed at the 2nd Fret, > side-by-side with the lyrics from the Album. >> >> The Lyrics and the Song have been UpLoaded via YouSendIt. >> >> You can download both @ http://tinyurl.com/9jc4ypj >> - - - - - >> >> >> By the time Joni performed at The Canterbury House in Ann Arbor, >> MI. (Oct. > 27), she had completed "Cactus Tree". >> All verses were present as released on SONG TO A SEAGULL. >> >> However, she announced it as a new song titled "Cactus Flower" >> >> >> >> >> andmoreagain, >> - - - - - - - - - >> simonM >> >> http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 03:02:06 +1000 > From: "Pat Boland" > Subject: Re: Urge for Going > > Joey, > > That explains a lot. What I recall as clear as anything is that Joni > always said when she came to it in her set was that UFG was > absolutely her > favorite of all the songs she'd written. > > Cool huh? > > Cheers > > - > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ""Urge for Going" is actually the Third Song Joni ever Wrote (After > "Day by > Day" & > "What will you give me?") and was so good that Chuck Mitchell then > thought > of starting > a Publishing Company. " Urge for Going" was actually finished by > September > of 1965." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:18:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Flaherty > Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. > > Okay, I am NOT saying this isn't real (how would I know?) and I am > not saying > people shouldn't go (it might be fun). > > However, this does remind me of the > Joni thing in NYC a number of years ago. The promoters said Joni > would be > there, or at least it sounded that way. Then speculation here that > she might > play turned into guessing which songs she WOULD play (I'm pretty > sure no one > involved ever said she would be on stage.) > > And then she didn't come. Turns > out she was (as I recall) invited, but she never said she would > attend. > > Now I > know some people had a great time, but some were pretty angry as > well (some of > it aimed at Joni, which wasn't fair). > > So all I'm saying is go to this if > you'll have fun even if Joni doesn't show. And certainly don't go > with the > assumption that she'll do anymore than watch the movie with you. > > If it IS > true, I can't wait to hear about it! If it were closer I'd check it > out > myself. :) > > Michael F. > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1282 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:50:38 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Jericho and For Love or Money Simon replied to Michael: "Both "Jericho" and "Love Or Money" from MILES OF AISLES are actually Studio Recordings. The applause at the end of each song was a studio addition, added later. It's kind of obvious, once you listen closely." I must admit it escaped me. Perhaps it was the lead-in on MOA, in which Joni introduced the two songs as bookends in the arena of relationships - one more optimistic than the other, or something like that. Gave it the impression of being truly live. Perhaps, I thought, it was from a different concert venue, which might account for some apparent differences in tone, etc... Artifice and innocence ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Jericho and For Love or Money >In any event, they fooled me - I thought they were live. Bob I didn't have a clue. My guess is there was no live recording she was happy with and as they were new she wanted to get them just right. Of course for me she got Jericho just right on DJRD, but that's another story. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 06:43:17 +0200 From: Subject: shadows and light Is is possible that there is no footage of the live shadows and light concert?? It would be unbelievable that such an event when unfilmed....I so so wish I could see some of it, if footage exists. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:10:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Jericho and For Love or Money I too found that a very interesting fact - certainly not the first time someone passed off a studio recording as a live one, however. I wonder why she did it? They did perform those songs on the tour. In any event, they fooled me - I thought they were live. Bob From: "Robert Sartorius" To: , Cc: Date: 09/05/2012 08:59 AM Subject: RE: Jericho and For Love or Money Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Simon replied to Michael: "Both "Jericho" and "Love Or Money" from MILES OF AISLES are actually Studio Recordings. The applause at the end of each song was a studio addition, added later. It's kind of obvious, once you listen closely." I must admit it escaped me. Perhaps it was the lead-in on MOA, in which Joni introduced the two songs as bookends in the arena of relationships - one more optimistic than the other, or something like that. Gave it the impression of being truly live. Perhaps, I thought, it was from a different concert venue, which might account for some apparent differences in tone, etc... Artifice and innocence ;-) Bobsart - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Cheers, Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 07:04:17 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Jericho and For Love or Money You often never get a take you're happy with and the tour is over so you resort to that. There are also "nearly live" or "slightly live" takes where you might keep just the rhythm section tracks from the live show and recut the vocals and guitars in the studio. Frank Zappa went even further with that concept and would take the bass and drums from a live recording of one song and then build an entirely new song from it or even layer the guitar part from a different song in a different meter and tempo over it. See Rubber Shirt from Sheik Yerbouti. He called the principle Xenechrony. On Sep 5, 2012, at 6:10 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I too found that a very interesting fact - certainly not the first time > someone passed off a studio recording as a live one, however. I wonder why > she did it? They did perform those songs on the tour. > > In any event, they fooled me - I thought they were live. > > Bob > > > > > From: "Robert Sartorius" > To: , > Cc: > Date: 09/05/2012 08:59 AM > Subject: RE: Jericho and For Love or Money > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > Simon replied to Michael: > > "Both "Jericho" and "Love Or Money" from MILES OF AISLES are actually > Studio > Recordings. > > The applause at the end of each song was a studio addition, added later. > > It's kind of obvious, once you listen closely." > > I must admit it escaped me. Perhaps it was the lead-in on MOA, in which > Joni > introduced the two songs as bookends in the arena of relationships - one > more optimistic than the other, or something like that. Gave it the > impression of being truly live. > > Perhaps, I thought, it was from a different concert venue, which might > account for some apparent differences in tone, etc... > > Artifice and innocence ;-) > > Bobsart > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 15:40:09 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: "Both Sides, Now" and Pete Seeger This came up recently... actually that 'extra' verse is not too shabby. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyYuFBj8PTU&feature=colike ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #285 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe