From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #284 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 5 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 284 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Ruby lake update [Michael Paz ] Ruby lake update [Les Irvin ] Re: Ruby lake update [Phyliss S Ward ] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [LC Stanley ] Music of Laurel Canyon documentary ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Urge for Going ["Pat Boland" ] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [Anita G ] Re: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance ["Eaton, Shari" ] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [LC Stanley ] Conversation - A 3rd Verse! [simon@icu.com] Original version of Jericho? [simon@icu.com] Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance [simon@icu.com] Re: Joni appearance, for real. [Anita ] Re: back in the day... part 2 ["Pat Boland" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:20:39 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance These early performances are such gems. Thanks Simon! The choice of words aside I think the act of performing only what was current on her creative palette is something Joni continued to do, sometimes to the chagrin of her fans. Another example of this was her version of All I Want at what was called the "pink dress" performance. I'm hoping that my fumbling will continue to entice you to send us more of these marvelous emails, Simon!!! And more again, Please!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com [mailto:simon@icu.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:46 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance Susan Tierney McNamara wrote > Subject: RE: CONVERSATION: early (longer) version > > You will find as you listen to a lot of these early concerts that Joni brought to her sets these embryonic songs > that are standards today. I remember on one set she says "I wrote this song today" and then proceeds to sing > a rough but incredible version of Cactus Tree, singing "she hopes that one will ask her for eternity" a line she > quickly changed later. > > > > I think with both this song and the longer Conversation, Joni edits down to a version that is more universal, > and she takes out some of the more angry primary color emotions ... a great look into Joni's writing process > and why she is such an amazing songwriter. > > Sue > - - - - - Sue, FWIW - I wouldn't describe any of Joni's performances of New Songs as "embryonic" Rarely do we ever actually hear a song that isn't "nearly" complete. Misc. words and phrases are sometimes changed between an early performance and the album version, but these changes are not usually that dramatic. OTOH: She removed the 3rd verse of "Conversation" from the LOTC recording, before release; And added a 5th verse to "Cactus Tree" As for "Cactus Tree" Although it's been widely bootlegged, I'm not sure many JMDL members are familiar with this particular recording, and why it's interesting and unique. It's the first public performance of a then new song "Cactus Tree" Here's how Joni introduced the song that night: "Cactus Tree" - Introduction This song I just wrote today, so if you notice the melody sort of varies verse to verse. It's because I haven't really decided on a few things, so I'm throwing them all out at you. Everytime I hear whispering, I'll take that part out . doesn't hold their attention there. There are several differences between this recording and the version eventually recorded for "SONG TO A SEAGULL". The verses appear in a different order ... AND, the last verse, the 'Killer Kyle' verse, is not yet been present. - - - - - - I transcribed and typed out the Lyrics as performed at the 2nd Fret, side-by-side with the lyrics from the Album. The Lyrics and the Song have been UpLoaded via YouSendIt. You can download both @ http://tinyurl.com/9jc4ypj - - - - - - By the time Joni performed at The Canterbury House in Ann Arbor, MI. (Oct. 27), she had completed "Cactus Tree". All verses were present as released on SONG TO A SEAGULL. However, she announced it as a new song titled "Cactus Flower" andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:19:48 -0400 From: Phyliss S Ward Subject: RE: I'm in! Sorry for the uncleaned message. I am out of practice! Just booked a room at The Sunshine Coast Resort for Friday and Saturday nights. > > Left a phone message this morning and bob sent a few emails. A few minutes ago the resort called and sold me tickets. The resort is full though. Didn't really expect this to fall in place but I guess I must be living right. Who else is going and can we coordinate travel plans! > > Phyliss, in shock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:58:00 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Ruby lake update They just called me. I was going to try and make it but it is too tight of a scheudle for me to get there. Thanks for all the info. Hope all those going have a wonderful time. best Paz On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Les Irvin wrote: The Ruby Lake management has asked me to remove the news items from Joni's website, as they are almost completely sold out already this morning. You've got 5 minutes to get your tickets. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:39:11 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Ruby lake update The Ruby Lake management has asked me to remove the news items from Joni's website, as they are almost completely sold out already this morning. You've got 5 minutes to get your tickets. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:59:39 -0400 From: Phyliss S Ward Subject: Re: Ruby lake update You betchya! On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:13 PM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I second that. Too late notice for me, plus I'm on vacation the week after. > I hope all that go have a great time and take lots of pics! > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 9/4/2012 6:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > >> They just called me. I was going to try and make it but it is too tight >> of a >> scheudle for me to get there. Thanks for all the info. Hope all those >> going >> have a wonderful time. >> >> best >> >> Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:18:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Okay, I am NOT saying this isn't real (how would I know?) and I am not saying people shouldn't go (it might be fun). However, this does remind me of the Joni thing in NYC a number of years ago. The promoters said Joni would be there, or at least it sounded that way. Then speculation here that she might play turned into guessing which songs she WOULD play (I'm pretty sure no one involved ever said she would be on stage.) And then she didn't come. Turns out she was (as I recall) invited, but she never said she would attend. Now I know some people had a great time, but some were pretty angry as well (some of it aimed at Joni, which wasn't fair). So all I'm saying is go to this if you'll have fun even if Joni doesn't show. And certainly don't go with the assumption that she'll do anymore than watch the movie with you. If it IS true, I can't wait to hear about it! If it were closer I'd check it out myself. :) Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. I'm with you Anita. This place sounds incredibly beautiful from the information on the website and what Aldo said. It will be just the break I need from this terrible Arkansas heat. The highlight of my year is always my time with people on this list. I'm waiting to hear confirmation of my reservation from the resort, then I'll book flights. Obviously Joni likes the location of this place since she lives not too far from it. I wonder how she found it? Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Anita G To: Michael Flaherty Cc: LC Stanley ; Les Irvin ; Joni List Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. That's absolutely right, Michael. Joni's not been well as we know and even if she were wanting to go, on the day a better offer might come along, or she may not be well enough to go. I guess if loads of Joni fans are descending, that may be another reason for her not to go! However, the idea of sitting outside in BC watching Painting With Words and Music after a lovely meal under the stars with some Joni friends sounds wonderful. Her presence would be a bonus. I am, of course, not even thinking that it might rain! :~)) Love Anita x On 04/09/2012, Michael Flaherty wrote: > Okay, I am NOT saying this isn't real (how would I know?) and I am not > saying people shouldn't go (it might be fun). > > However, this does remind me of the Joni thing in NYC a number of years > ago. The promoters said Joni would be there, or at least it sounded that > way. Then speculation here that she might play turned into guessing which > songs she WOULD play (I'm pretty sure no one involved ever said she would be > on stage.) > > And then she didn't come. Turns out she was (as I recall) invited, but she > never said she would attend. > > Now I know some people had a great time, but some were pretty angry as well > (some of it aimed at Joni, which wasn't fair). > > So all I'm saying is go to this if you'll have fun even if Joni doesn't > show. And certainly don't go with the assumption that she'll do anymore > than watch the movie with you. > > If it IS true, I can't wait to hear about it! If it were closer I'd check > it out myself. :) > > Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:28:13 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Music of Laurel Canyon documentary Any LA Joni people able to record this? http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118058621?refCatId=14 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:31:42 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Fwd: Joni at Ruby Lake Resort Passing this one along... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Joni at Ruby Lake Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 10:12:25 +0200 From: MICHELLE/R MERCER For those wondering about the authenticity of the event at Ruby Lake, I'd like to offer my experience. Ruby Lake Resort is an edenic spot that also happens to be Joni's neighborhood restaurant on the coast. The lively and lovely Aldo and his partner (Name escapes me. Les?) are like family to her. JMDL's own Les Irvin and I enjoyed a couple evenings at Ruby Lake with Joni & friends. Naturally Coco, her Jack Russell terrier, was present as well. At our first dinner Joni learned Les and I had not yet seen /The Fiddle And The Drum /on the big screen. Joni insisted Aldo screen it for us in the ampitheater the following night. And so he did. As the ad for the Sept 22nd event promises, we had a magical evening under the stars with a handful of Joni's friends. The best part for me was seeing Joni's enthusiasm for the film/project. She grooved along to her favorite sections of the soundtrack, her very own bottle of white wine always within reach. Of course circumstances could prevent Joni from attending the event. Nothing's !00% sure, right? But just wanted to reassure everyone that she is indeed tight with the Ruby Lake management. The place is dear to her heart. All good things, Michelle Mercer http://michellemercer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 03:02:06 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: Re: Urge for Going Joey, That explains a lot. What I recall as clear as anything is that Joni always said when she came to it in her set was that UFG was absolutely her favorite of all the songs she'd written. Cool huh? Cheers - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Urge for Going" is actually the Third Song Joni ever Wrote (After "Day by Day" & "What will you give me?") and was so good that Chuck Mitchell then thought of starting a Publishing Company. " Urge for Going" was actually finished by September of 1965." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:37:21 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. That's absolutely right, Michael. Joni's not been well as we know and even if she were wanting to go, on the day a better offer might come along, or she may not be well enough to go. I guess if loads of Joni fans are descending, that may be another reason for her not to go! However, the idea of sitting outside in BC watching Painting With Words and Music after a lovely meal under the stars with some Joni friends sounds wonderful. Her presence would be a bonus. I am, of course, not even thinking that it might rain! :~)) Love Anita x On 04/09/2012, Michael Flaherty wrote: > Okay, I am NOT saying this isn't real (how would I know?) and I am not > saying people shouldn't go (it might be fun). > > However, this does remind me of the Joni thing in NYC a number of years > ago. The promoters said Joni would be there, or at least it sounded that > way. Then speculation here that she might play turned into guessing which > songs she WOULD play (I'm pretty sure no one involved ever said she would be > on stage.) > > And then she didn't come. Turns out she was (as I recall) invited, but she > never said she would attend. > > Now I know some people had a great time, but some were pretty angry as well > (some of it aimed at Joni, which wasn't fair). > > So all I'm saying is go to this if you'll have fun even if Joni doesn't > show. And certainly don't go with the assumption that she'll do anymore > than watch the movie with you. > > If it IS true, I can't wait to hear about it! If it were closer I'd check > it out myself. :) > > Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:55:56 -0700 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance Wow the difference between this line is quite remarkable For she fears that one will ask her For eternity As she fears no one will ask her For eternity Her ultimate conflict! Cheers Simon and Sue. This is a wonderful. On Sep 4, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > These early performances are such gems. Thanks Simon! The choice of words aside I think the act of performing only what was current on her creative palette is something Joni continued to do, sometimes to the chagrin of her fans. Another example of this was her version of All I Want at what was called the "pink dress" performance. I'm hoping that my fumbling will continue to entice you to send us more of these marvelous emails, Simon!!! And more again, Please!! :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: simon@icu.com [mailto:simon@icu.com] > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:46 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance > > Susan Tierney McNamara wrote > > >> Subject: RE: CONVERSATION: early (longer) version >> >> You will find as you listen to a lot of these early concerts that Joni brought to her sets these embryonic songs >> that are standards today. I remember on one set she says "I wrote this song today" and then proceeds to sing >> a rough but incredible version of Cactus Tree, singing "she hopes that one will ask her for eternity" a line she >> quickly changed later. >> >> >> >> I think with both this song and the longer Conversation, Joni edits down to a version that is more universal, >> and she takes out some of the more angry primary color emotions ... a great look into Joni's writing process >> and why she is such an amazing songwriter. >> >> Sue >> - - - - - > > > Sue, > > FWIW - I wouldn't describe any of Joni's performances of New Songs as "embryonic" > > Rarely do we ever actually hear a song that isn't "nearly" complete. Misc. words and phrases are sometimes changed between an early performance and the album version, but these changes are not usually that dramatic. > > OTOH: She removed the 3rd verse of "Conversation" from the LOTC recording, before release; > And added a 5th verse to "Cactus Tree" > > > As for "Cactus Tree" > > Although it's been widely bootlegged, I'm not sure many JMDL members are familiar with this particular recording, and why it's interesting and unique. > > It's the first public performance of a then new song "Cactus Tree" > > Here's how Joni introduced the song that night: > > "Cactus Tree" - Introduction > > This song I just wrote today, so if you notice the melody sort of varies verse to verse. > It's because I haven't really decided on a few things, so I'm throwing them all out at you. > Everytime I hear whispering, I'll take that part out . doesn't hold their attention there. > > > There are several differences between this recording and the version eventually recorded for "SONG TO A SEAGULL". > The verses appear in a different order ... AND, the last verse, the 'Killer Kyle' verse, is not yet been present. > - - - - - > > > I transcribed and typed out the Lyrics as performed at the 2nd Fret, side-by-side with the lyrics from the Album. > > The Lyrics and the Song have been UpLoaded via YouSendIt. > > You can download both @ http://tinyurl.com/9jc4ypj > - - - - - > > > By the time Joni performed at The Canterbury House in Ann Arbor, MI. (Oct. 27), she had completed "Cactus Tree". > All verses were present as released on SONG TO A SEAGULL. > > However, she announced it as a new song titled "Cactus Flower" > > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Ruby lake update I second that. Too late notice for me, plus I'm on vacation the week after. I hope all that go have a great time and take lots of pics! Jimmy In a message dated 9/4/2012 6:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > They just called me. I was going to try and make it but it is too tight > of a > scheudle for me to get there. Thanks for all the info. Hope all those > going > have a wonderful time. > > best > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:02:48 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: B.C. Plans... On Friday the 21st of Sept. Laura is flying into Seattle where I will pick her up at the airport then webll head off to B.C. by car. We were unable to get accommodations at Ruby Lake Resort but did find a reasonably priced room at http://thestonewater.ca/ So webre in for sure. I am so excited not only to possibly rub elbows with Joni but also to do a road trip with Laura! Woo Hoo! Laurabs flight out of Seattle is on Monday at 1:15 p.m. I do have room in my car for a couple of additional riders if anyone can work it out. love, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Marianne is on the phone with me, and we are wondering... This feels fishy. Painting with Words and Music came out in 2004 so why would a screening be hosted now? What are we missing here? Is something mistaken on the invite. It is not all making complete sense... ________________________________ From: Anita To: Les Irvin Cc: Joni List Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Wow,what an amazing night this sounds!Steph was saying she wanted to go and stay somewhere in a log cabin.Guess 8,000 miles for the week end will be pushing it or maybe I am getting old.Sure hope a lister makes it. Anita x On 4 Sep 2012, at 01:14, Les Irvin wrote: > September 22, at Ruby Lake Resort on the Sunshine coast. > http://www.rubylakeresort.com/joni-mitchell-film-screening.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:33:26 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Conversation - A 3rd Verse! Just came across another older post sitting in my JMDL mailbox Michel BYRNE wrote > Subject: CONVERSATION: early (longer) version > > Hi folks, just wondering if anybody's heard this before-- an early live version of Conversation, > with an extra verse that takes the story (and the dilemma) further. The guitar's still tentative, > not really settled into the syncopated rhythm yet. Think she was right to cut that third verse?... > > > > Best wishes to all. > Michel Michel, This performance of "Conversation" was recorded at the 2nd Fret - Philadelphia, PA. - Oct. 12, 1967 And you're correct, there's a 3rd Verse. A verse not included on the LADIES OF THE CANYON album. I'm a little surprised that more people apparently haven't noticed. What's really interesting is the 3rd verse was included in the LOTC SongBook. Here's how Joni introduced the song that night at the 2nd Fret: "Sometime a best friend wont tell a best friend really - anything near the truth. Because they dont know it themselves. This is a song about a triangle." I typed out the Lyrics side-by-side with the lyrics from the Album. There is a slight difference between the published 3rd verse and the 3rd verse as sung at the 2nd Fret. I UpLoaded the Song and the Lyric (2 pages) via YouSendIt. You can DownLoad both @ http://tinyurl.com/bt95olm One last point, although I can't say that this is the first performance of "Conversation", it is the earliest recording I know of. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:20:58 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Original version of Jericho? Michael Flaherty wrote > Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? > > I've always found it odd that having released Jericho on a major live release, > she then released a studio version. Odd in a good way, but still .... It's interesting to note ... Both "Jericho" and "Love Or Money" from MILES OF AISLES are actually Studio Recordings. The applause at the end of each song was a studio addition, added later. It's kind of obvious, once you listen closely. Interesting ... - - - - - - On a seperate note, Bob Muller wrote > Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You Turn Me On..." is the original. > Joni's original, that is. I for one would say that Tom Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the > original, but you know how I am with Joni covers. The 1972 45rpm Single release of "Urge For Going" is actually the 3rd Studio Version Joni recorded. "Urge For Going" was definitely recorded during sessions for SONG TO A SEAGULL, along with a number of other early songs. "Urge For Going" is also one of Joni's earliest songs. One of the first ten songs written. And the last of the early songs to be officially released. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 20:45:35 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Cactus Tree - The 1st Performance Susan Tierney McNamara wrote > Subject: RE: CONVERSATION: early (longer) version > > You will find as you listen to a lot of these early concerts that Joni brought to her sets these embryonic songs > that are standards today. I remember on one set she says "I wrote this song today" and then proceeds to sing > a rough but incredible version of Cactus Tree, singing "she hopes that one will ask her for eternity" a line she > quickly changed later. > > > > I think with both this song and the longer Conversation, Joni edits down to a version that is more universal, > and she takes out some of the more angry primary color emotions ... a great look into Joni's writing process > and why she is such an amazing songwriter. > > Sue > - - - - - Sue, FWIW - I wouldn't describe any of Joni's performances of New Songs as "embryonic" Rarely do we ever actually hear a song that isn't "nearly" complete. Misc. words and phrases are sometimes changed between an early performance and the album version, but these changes are not usually that dramatic. OTOH: She removed the 3rd verse of "Conversation" from the LOTC recording, before release; And added a 5th verse to "Cactus Tree" As for "Cactus Tree" Although it's been widely bootlegged, I'm not sure many JMDL members are familiar with this particular recording, and why it's interesting and unique. It's the first public performance of a then new song "Cactus Tree" Here's how Joni introduced the song that night: "Cactus Tree"  Introduction This song I just wrote today, so if you notice the melody sort of varies verse to verse. Its because I havent really decided on a few things, so Im throwing them all out at you. Everytime I hear whispering, Ill take that part out  doesnt hold their attention there. There are several differences between this recording and the version eventually recorded for "SONG TO A SEAGULL". The verses appear in a different order ... AND, the last verse, the 'Killer Kyle' verse, is not yet been present. - - - - - - I transcribed and typed out the Lyrics as performed at the 2nd Fret, side-by-side with the lyrics from the Album. The Lyrics and the Song have been UpLoaded via YouSendIt. You can download both @ http://tinyurl.com/9jc4ypj - - - - - - By the time Joni performed at The Canterbury House in Ann Arbor, MI. (Oct. 27), she had completed "Cactus Tree". All verses were present as released on SONG TO A SEAGULL. However, she announced it as a new song titled "Cactus Flower" andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 02:43:03 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni appearance, for real. Wow,what an amazing night this sounds!Steph was saying she wanted to go and stay somewhere in a log cabin.Guess 8,000 miles for the week end will be pushing it or maybe I am getting old.Sure hope a lister makes it. Anita x On 4 Sep 2012, at 01:14, Les Irvin wrote: > September 22, at Ruby Lake Resort on the Sunshine coast. > http://www.rubylakeresort.com/joni-mitchell-film-screening.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:46:51 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: Re: back in the day... part 2 Sorry Shari, no recordings and I haven't sung or played in a loooonnngggg time. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You are most blessed! Do you have any recordings of your music from back > then? > > Or if you care to recount any tales, I'm all ears... > > Shari > > On Sep 3, 2012, at 9:43 AM, "Pat Boland" wrote: > >> my fb cover pic: >> >> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151007185947098&set=a.10151007185922098.428358.619417097&type=1 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #284 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe