From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #261 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 22 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 261 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars [Catherine McKay ] Re: Just like this train [Michael Paz ] Fwd: Judgment of the Moon and Stars [Shari Eaton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars Kevin, this is how I see/feel this imagery as well. I'm thinking of something I read about a sculptor who looks at a piece of granite (or whatever s/he is going to use for the next piece) and waits for it to reveal what is hidden inside before starting to chip away at it. >________________________________ > From: Kevin Foehr >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:04:11 PM >Subject: Judgment of the Moon and Stars > > >But conceal is >perfect here because it is first in the process, and thus it is not instantly >clear what this imagery means. The listener must stop and think, "What is >being concealed? And by what?" Then the listener can see the full picture: >what is concealed can be revealed by the artist. Conceal implies that here; >but reveal would not imply this process as clearly as it jumps directly to the >end product. And it highlights WHO can reveal what lies concealed within. >Broken trees and elephant ivories conceal the beauty and emotional power that >is possible. They are pure potential, like colors on a painter's pallette, >and it takes a great master to access that potential and reveal the beauty >that is possible. > >In my mind, moving from concealment to something revealed >is a much more poetic image than "seeing" the end of the process >(beauty revealed), and then MAYBE thinking about how that beauty was (is) >"concealed" to us mere mortals and is "revealed" by musical geniuses like Joni >and Beethoven. > > >Kevin F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:32:59 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: RE: Now Song For Sharon was NRH vs TI, and JOTMAS (the gift went on) ["Mark" ] Hi Sue, I could be mistaken but I think those polls that were referred to are from the old JMDL.com website which now appears to be disabled and replaced by the Jonimitchell.com discussion forum. Looking through some of the older discussion threads I saw 2 poll related items. http://jonimitchell.com/forum/discussion.cfm?id=96FF4838-3FFF-AEA7-573641940F2D452D http://jonimitchell.com/forum/discussion.cfm?id=9997184B-3FFF-AEA7-56D7E331A8BE145E I bet Blue and Hejira would still head any current listing From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: "Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com" , Mark Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 08/21/2012 01:46 PM Subject: RE: Now Song For Sharon was NRH vs TI, and JOTMAS (the gift went on) ["Mark" ] Great interview!! I really appreciate it when listers point out some of the gems on the website. I hadn't read this one before. Hejira is a miracle of an album, although I would tie it with Turbulent Indigo, not Blue. As the article says: "Voting on jonimitchell.com, an excellent fan-driven website, ranks Hejira as Mitchell's most popular album. A critics' poll done in the late 1990s placed the album in a first-place tie with the Blue, a moody collection of love songs she recorded in 1971." Are there still polls on the website? It would be interesting to see what the vote tally is now. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu =================================================================================== - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Kevin ________________________________ From: Shari Eaton To: Kevin Foehr Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars "Condemned to wires and hammers Strike every chord that you feel That broken trees And elephant ivories conceal" She's using the word conceal in its noun state. The wood of the piano and the keys are on the outside. The wires and hammers are on the inside. The internal emotional workings are concealed by the casing of the piano. Just as our bodies are a concealment for our inner emotional workings. Lots of Joni, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:36:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Just like this train There was a recording that Larry and Joan did for Canadian TV and I have a copy of that. Sounds like it might be the one. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Cypress Recording Services Paz Music Production 17 Waverly Place Destrehan, La. 70047 504-382-0343 On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: I signed up for this and listened to the version of JLTT ... I think it might be from a live radio concert ... it's just Joni on an acoustic and Larry Klein on bass ... but the sound is great. Might be during a promotional tour for TI. Just guessing. Now if my computer blows up, I'll be the goon. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Shari Eaton Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:11 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Just like this train Good catch, Bob. Most dubious looking. On Aug 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > I smell a rat. I wouldn't touch that download with a 10-foot pole. > > Bob > ________________________________ > From: Karen Holtz > To: > joni@smoe.org > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:07 PM > Subject: Just like this > train > > Hey guys! Please, I need a help! > I've got a version of Just Like This > Train song in my computer, sung by > Joni Mitchell, but this version is > different than that ones that can be > find at Court and Spark and Travelogue albums. Do you know know where > is this record from? > I've posted it on my > 4shared page. Can you listen to it and help me please? > Here is the link: > http://www.4shared.com/mp3/ksDhlChP/Just_like_this_train.html > > Thank you! > Karen Holtz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:26:08 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Fwd: Judgment of the Moon and Stars I read this verse to my husband and entirely out of context of the song. He's not a Joni fan and doesn't know the song so I was stunned when he picked up on this: He said that it's a rebirth of the broken tree and elephant. They've risen up after being cut down and are now expressing themselves in a new life. When you consider her introduction to the piece here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD3mpc2pG68&feature=youtube_gdata_player And as well, consider her encouraging words to ol' Ludwig (not even when you die), it does seem that he has a point. Thoroughly pleased to have had this conversation with you all. I wouldn't've dug up so much additional imagery and mood as a lone Joni fan. Cheers, Shari Begin forwarded message: > From: Shari Eaton > Date: August 21, 2012 7:41:06 AM PDT > To: "anne@sandstrom.com" > Cc: "kfoehr@sbcglobal.net" , "joni@smoe.org" > Subject: Re: Judgment of the Moon and Stars > > Cheers Anne. You're absolutely right. I meant it as descriptive & not literal. I described it that way for effect. She's using 'conceal' as you would use the word 'concealment' in meaning. > > I realized after I pressed send that I should've stated that. In this context, it is a verb. > > Not digressively, I want to mention that I might rest on this song as my absolute favorite. I LOVE her words of encouragement here 'you've got to shake your fist at lightening now....' > > > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > >> As a professional writer, I'm going to jump in here to say that conceal isn't a noun. It's a verb, and that's how Joni uses it in JOTMAS. >> >> However, the rest of your analysis is spot on, Shari. >> >> And I'm reminded of the line "these things that you and I suppress" from Hejira. >> >> I'm sure there are many instance of Joni referring to things seeming one way on the surface, while the reality underneath is very different. I'll ponder this... >> >> lots of love, >> Anne >> >> On Aug 21, 2012, Shari Eaton wrote: >> >> "Condemned to wires and hammers >> Strike every chord that you >> feel >> That broken trees >> And elephant ivories conceal" >> >> She's using the word conceal in its noun state. >> >> The wood of the piano and the keys are on the outside. The wires and hammers >> are on the inside. The internal emotional workings are concealed by the casing >> of the piano. >> >> Just as our bodies are a concealment for our inner emotional workings. >> >> >> Lots of Joni, >> Shari ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #261 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe