From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #259 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 20 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 259 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dog Eat Dog [Lori Fye ] Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog [Jussi Pukkila ] Re: joni [Michael McCarthy ] Hello?? [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Laurel Canyon House [LC Stanley ] Hello?? [Lori Fye ] Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog ["Mark" ] Re: Hello?? [Em ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1140 [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Dog Eat Dog ["Mark" ] DED [Merk54@aol.com] RE: Joni's gardens ["kbhla" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:36:24 +0200 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog Mark in Seattle wrote: > I know the Geffen box set has been trashed as an over-priced, unnecessary release > and I've said this before but the remastered DED was really a revelation to me. There > are so many subtle intricacies in the arrangements that I had never heard on the > original release. DED is definitely one of Joni's finer efforts, imo. And the messages > she was trying to send out back in 1985 are as relevant now as they were then. I don't have the remastered set, but I love DED and I agree that the messages are as relevant today as they were in 1985 ... perhaps more so. I would love to hear the subtle intricacies that I have probably missed up to now. Lori in Dotzheim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:27:54 +0300 From: Jussi Pukkila Subject: Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog >Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:13:28 -0400 >From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" >Subject: Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog > >To read up on the Geffen box, there are 17 owner opinion pieces on Amazon at >http://tinyurl.com/9pxwfae > >Jim L'Hommedieu > Well, I am the person mentioned in the 4th review from top: > Hoping to clear up any confusion (I certainly was), this box set has > certainly been remastered, and pretty well too. Even the most recent > of the four albums, Night Ride Home, sounds significantly better than > it's 1991 release. Our reviewer from Finland needs to spend more money > on his hi-fi. Sadly we all do, thanks to the arrival of the digital > age. The production credits for the box set are there in the liner > notes, for the reading. Nothing here is "remixed" however. And my take on the box can be found a few comments further down. My hi-fi is certainly good enough to display the differences between the two versions and I would argue that my head is also good enough to make a fair judgement about it. I would say that this reviewer hasn't been yet exposed to a good example of an original 80s tinny CD vs. great remaster. I still stand by what I wrote back then. Differences in sound level aside, I don't hear a big difference in sound quality. It says on the booklet: 'mastered from the original master tapes' which isn't the same as 'remastered'. They simply made a new master from the original tapes. And since they obviously used better A/D converters than in 1985, there is unavoidably some added clarity - but that is not the same as 'proper' remastering. Certainly the difference is nothing like on some (real) remasters, including the Joni remasters. And believe me, I would like for the box to sound better, as DED is one of my favourite Joni albums and the 1985 CD sounds thin (much like the box set version does). But I am glad that some people are impressed and can enjoy the music better than on the 80s or 90s CD's. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:46:53 -0700 From: Michael McCarthy Subject: Re: joni Sorry about that... here is my message: But the best "mastering" job was Dave Blackburn's magnificent clean-up of DED! The original and the Geffen reissue just don't hold a stick to Dave's take on the way this great album should sound. Thanks, Dave! On 19 August 2012 14:44, Jussi Pukkila wrote: > Hi > > Did you mean to write something - because all I got was Mark's last > message quoted in full, but nothing added...? > > --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:37:29 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Hello?? nice to see you here XO Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Hello?? I wish I could put the list on rewind, and recall what you all were saying about the book "Girls Like Us" when it forst came out. I thought about Joni a lot recently, as I finally read the book a couple of weeks ago. I think it was brilliant to write about all 3 of those women. And I also think it was a monster of a task, which the author (Sheila Weller) managed extremely well, although at times I found some of it gossipy. I didn't care - I just kicked back and enjoyed the heck out of it. I think the book made a point, and that it did so in an extremely fun way. Em ps: I guess I've attained lurker status here on the email list. Of course I see most of you on FB. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon House Was one of those items the pinball machine? ________________________________ From: kbhla To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:00 PM Subject: RE: Laurel Canyon House Wow, Lindsay, thanks for sharing those amazing excerpts! I had this book but only skimmed about in it and then lent it to a neighbor years ago because my reading list was too large at the time. I think my neighbor still has it and I'll see about getting it back now! When Lesli and I were at the Joni estate sale the sales ladies told us Joni still owned the house and the photos at the estate sale website showed some of her items posed in the (then) empty house. Kakki >>On January 17, 2005, Nash answered his phone in Hawaii, his home for the past thirty years. It was Mitchell, calling from L.A. "She said, 'Do you want to go to the house?' I said, "What?' She said, 'I'm thinking of selling it.' I said, 'Really? Why?' She said the people renting it, three guys came over the fence and tried to rob them. And Joni thinks that those things are signs, and so she thought it was a sign that she should give it up. She wasn't there to protect it. So she wanted to know if I wanted to go back and reminisce for a few minutes." Nash, about to leave on a world tour with Stills and Crosby, declined. So that's the story on the house in Laurel Canyon that some of us visited. Good to know that the house we all find so magical, so do the people who actually lived there and made music there. Gives me a good feeling. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:55 +0200 From: Lori Fye Subject: Hello?? Hello?? Are there any new subscribers here? Anyone who's been lurking, maybe for years, and who hasn't ever chimed in? Tell us your stories, how you found Joni's work, what it means to you. Come on, come on ... We come for for conversation. :-) Lori Dotzheim, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:01:18 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog - -----Original Message----- From: Jussi Pukkila Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:27 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Subject: Dog Eat Dog I still stand by what I wrote back then. Differences in sound level aside, I don't hear a big difference in sound quality. It says on the booklet: 'mastered from the original master tapes' which isn't the same as 'remastered'. They simply made a new master from the original tapes. And since they obviously used better A/D converters than in 1985, there is unavoidably some added clarity - but that is not the same as 'proper' remastering. Jussi, Thank you for making this distinction. I never remember exactly which recordings were 'remastered' and which were 'mastered from the original master tapes'. DED was the first of Joni's new releases to come out on cd and I refused to buy the vinyl until I could get that cd because I love the fact that cds, with minimal care, do not scratch and degrade like vinyl does. Now all these years later I realize just how crappy some of the transfers onto cds were. I still feel like DED benefited immensely by the superior transfer in the Geffen box set. But that opinion also comes from listening to it with headphones and I always pick up more detail when the sound is coming directly into my ears. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Hello?? I wish I could put the list on rewind, and recall what you all were saying about the book "Girls Like Us" when it forst came out. I thought about Joni a lot recently, as I finally read the book a couple of weeks ago. I think it was brilliant to write about all 3 of those women. And I also think it was a monster of a task, which the author (Sheila Weller) managed extremely well, although at times I found some of it gossipy. I didn't care - I just kicked back and enjoyed the heck out of it. I think the book made a point, and that it did so in an extremely fun way. Em ps: I guess I've attained lurker status here on the email list. Of course I see most of you on FB. - --- On Sun, 8/19/12, Lori Fye wrote: From: Lori Fye Subject: Hello?? To: joni@smoe.org Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 2:33 PM Hello?? Are there any new subscribers here? Anyone who's been lurking, maybe for years, and who hasn't ever chimed in? Tell us your stories, how you found Joni's work, what it means to you. Come on, come on ... We come for for conversation. :-) Lori Dotzheim, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:40:11 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #1140 If course I meant 'before the price quadrupled'. I had the word 'doubled' in my head before I looked up the current price on Amazon. If I die anytime soon, I hope my heirs take their time with Geffen box, the 'voices' book and my b&w outake photo from thosl. Maybe I'll put a note on each of them. Jim Sent from my iPhone > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:11:12 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > I'm glad I bought the box set before the price doubled. Did it go out > of print? I guess that's what keeps the price of boxed sets up -they go > out of print and therefore become "rare". It was worthwhile at $45 when > it was new; now, at $199 new on Amazon, I would hesitate. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:19:30 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Dog Eat Dog I know the Geffen box set has been trashed as an over-priced, unnecessary release and I've said this before but the remastered DED was really a revelation to me. There are so many subtle intricacies in the arrangements that I had never heard on the original release. DED is definitely one of Joni's finer efforts, imo. And the messages she was trying to send out back in 1985 are as relevant now as they were then. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: DED mark, I love it when someone gives a shout out to DED. I think it's one of Joni's most under appreciated gems. It's actually the Joni album my wife ever asks me to play. I haven't listened in a while. Thanks for putting a bug in my ear. I know what I will be doing later today!. Jack In a message dated 8/19/2012 12:40:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: JMDL Digest Sunday, August 19 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1138 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Dog Eat Dog ["Mark" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:19:30 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Dog Eat Dog I know the Geffen box set has been trashed as an over-priced, unnecessary release and I've said this before but the remastered DED was really a revelation to me. There are so many subtle intricacies in the arrangements that I had never heard on the original release. DED is definitely one of Joni's finer efforts, imo. And the messages she was trying to send out back in 1985 are as relevant now as they were then. Mark in Seattle - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1138 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:02:22 -0700 From: "kbhla" Subject: RE: Joni's gardens Thanks, Laura! I hadn't looked at the paintings page of Jonimitchell.com in years and was surprised to see so many new additions and "never before seen" Joni art. There are even some of her childhood drawings and colorings there now! Wow! I loved the pool painting with her dog Coco and the big orange kitty. So cute and funny! Kakki - -----Original Message----- From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:43 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Joni's gardens Kakki, I agree.....wonderful to see Joni's gardens in such detail. Between this home and the one she has in British Columbia she's breathing alot of fresh 'garden' air. Maybe that helps counteract the not-so-good effects of her smoking. Check out her painting of her pool area (I love this painting).......the same 'scene' as the photo. http://jonimitchell.com/paintings/view.cfm?id=449&recs=285#viewing Laura ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #259 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe