From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #257 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 18 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 257 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Laurel Canyon House ["kbhla" ] Re: DITS discussed ["Eaton, Shari" ] RE: I had a king [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Go Tell The Drummer Man [Bob Muller ] RE: I had a king [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: DITS discussed [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: DITS discussed ["Eaton, Shari" ] Re: one question [LC Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:00:37 -0700 From: "kbhla" Subject: RE: Laurel Canyon House Wow, Lindsay, thanks for sharing those amazing excerpts! I had this book but only skimmed about in it and then lent it to a neighbor years ago because my reading list was too large at the time. I think my neighbor still has it and I'll see about getting it back now! When Lesli and I were at the Joni estate sale the sales ladies told us Joni still owned the house and the photos at the estate sale website showed some of her items posed in the (then) empty house. Kakki >>On January 17, 2005, Nash answered his phone in Hawaii, his home for the past thirty years. It was Mitchell, calling from L.A. "She said, 'Do you want to go to the house?' I said, "What?' She said, 'I'm thinking of selling it.' I said, 'Really? Why?' She said the people renting it, three guys came over the fence and tried to rob them. And Joni thinks that those things are signs, and so she thought it was a sign that she should give it up. She wasn't there to protect it. So she wanted to know if I wanted to go back and reminisce for a few minutes." Nash, about to leave on a world tour with Stills and Crosby, declined. So that's the story on the house in Laurel Canyon that some of us visited. Good to know that the house we all find so magical, so do the people who actually lived there and made music there. Gives me a good feeling. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:36:04 -0700 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: DITS discussed This is a fascinating set of lyrics and while I've always enjoyed the line "don't interrupt the sorrow," I haven't thought a ton about it. My first gut reaction to it is .. much like a lot of her songs (The Arrangement especially), I feel like she writes in a sympathetic way toward the man's position. Anima rising being their feminine side coming to light and the struggle man feels with the position they've set themselves. Perhaps the drinking they need to do to handle the guilt and the reminder to themselves that remaining steadfast (timber down to rock) makes for a strong man  seems to be the main theme here. With 'don't interrupt the sorrow' being a way of saying 'have compassion for the struggle they must feel around the social structure that has been dictated to them'. Just my interpretation. On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > We've talked about it a bunch, here's one person's thoughts on Don't Interrupt > The Sorrow: > > http://tinyurl.com/9kl2k7q > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:46:06 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: I had a king That's an amazing cover, and I love that album. Joshua Redmond is wonderful. I have a download of an Umphreys McGee concert where he sits in on their version of Pink Floyd's Shine on You Crazy Diamond. Amazing. It's been said before but I Had A King is such an amazing song on so many levels, and shows how Joni's genius was fully formed at age 21, since she was also writing songs like Both Sides Now, Michael From Mountains, and I Don't Know Where I Stand at the same time. Symphonic with six strings. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:29 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: I had a king I was reading the newspaper at home, with the cable tv set to the modern Jazz station. Suddenly I realized that I knew the tune. It was Joni's "I Had A King", played by Joshua Redmond. I'm sure Bob was aware of it long ago but really, how often do you hear a Joni covers unless you spin them? Jim L'Hommedieu Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Go Tell The Drummer Man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifp21csejwk For those who haven't heard it, or for those who haven't heard it in awhile. I think it's beautiful. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:10:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: I had a king Not to mention all of the unreleased songs, some of which were just as symphonic and complex as what she ended up releasing. Many of the songs she wrote and was performing in '66/'67/'68 she ended up recording and releasing later (Little Green, Circle Game, Conversation, Roses Blue) etc. Maybe my "one question" would be what made her decide FOR some of these and AGAINST some of the others. Really, my one question would be to inquire as to why she doesn't want her archives released when so many of her contemporaries (Dylan, Neil, The Beatles, CSN) have done so with great success and adoration from their fans. I was listening to "Go Tell The Drummer Man" yesterday - hadn't heard it in forever - I had forgotten what a cool and "Joni-esque" song it is. By Joniesque I mean a song that NO ONE ELSE would have come up in terms of the intro, the chord progressions, the rhyme scheme, everything. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eaton, Shari Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:36 PM To: Bob Muller Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: DITS discussed This is a fascinating set of lyrics and while I've always enjoyed the line "don't interrupt the sorrow," I haven't thought a ton about it. My first gut reaction to it is .. much like a lot of her songs (The Arrangement especially), I feel like she writes in a sympathetic way toward the man's position. Anima rising being their feminine side coming to light and the struggle man feels with the position they've set themselves. Perhaps the drinking they need to do to handle the guilt and the reminder to themselves that remaining steadfast (timber down to rock) makes for a strong man  seems to be the main theme here. With 'don't interrupt the sorrow' being a way of saying 'have compassion for the struggle they must feel around the social structure that has been dictated to them'. Just my interpretation. On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > We've talked about it a bunch, here's one person's thoughts on Don't > Interrupt The Sorrow: > > http://tinyurl.com/9kl2k7q > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:23:33 -0700 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: DITS discussed During the Morrissey interview I got the sense that he kept pushing for her to tell her frustrations (very english to whinge so no fault on him) but she kept saying 'no i don't have a problem with _____.' Another time, I heard her say a psychic told her that this was her first life as a woman in awhile. Whether you believe in that kind of stuff or not, she does seem to have a very balanced approach to life, writing, etc. And she mentions not wanting to be a part of any lines between classes, races or otherwise and I never get the sense she's attacking anyone in particular but instead, trying to empathize with their position. Only one time did I hear a sting from her, specifically in Conversation 'She speaks in sorry sentences...' And I've read tales around her suicide attempt and the cutting song toward an ex that drove his wife to the same (Sharon?) None of this was confirmed and I have a hard time believing it. Again, just my insight/opinion. Great thing about art is it's open for all kinds of interpretation. Would love to hear other views! On Aug 17, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I think you've hit on something here Shari. I've been practicing The Gallery for the next video and the line "I can be cruel, but let me be gentle with you," shows compassion around the seams. And also the scathing Woman of Heart and Mind "I give you my scorn and my praise." I'm sure there are many more examples. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eaton, Shari > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:36 PM > To: Bob Muller > Cc: JMDL > Subject: Re: DITS discussed > > This is a fascinating set of lyrics and while I've always enjoyed the line "don't interrupt the sorrow," I haven't thought a ton about it. My first gut reaction to it is .. much like a lot of her songs (The Arrangement especially), I feel like she writes in a sympathetic way toward the man's position. Anima rising being their feminine side coming to light and the struggle man feels with the position they've set themselves. Perhaps the drinking they need to do to handle the guilt and the reminder to themselves that remaining steadfast (timber down to rock) makes for a strong man  seems to be the main theme here. > > With 'don't interrupt the sorrow' being a way of saying 'have compassion for the struggle they must feel around the social structure that has been dictated to them'. > > Just my interpretation. > > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > >> We've talked about it a bunch, here's one person's thoughts on Don't >> Interrupt The Sorrow: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/9kl2k7q >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:40:02 -0500 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: one question I'd ask her to tell me more about her grandmother. On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:07 PM, "Eaton, Shari" wrote: > If you could ask Joni one question, what would it be? > > > Lots of Joni, > Shari > > > P.S. If you haven't watched the Morrissey / Joni interview it's really good. > > Joni & Morrissey, pt. 1 > Joni & Morrissey, pt. 2 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #257 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe