From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #245 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 245 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Retro Covers, Volume 69 [Bob Muller ] Re: Hope from Graham Nash ["Mark" ] New Library item: Graham Nash Still Really Gives a S#!* [TheStaff@JoniMit] Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy [Shari Eaton ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 [Mary Morris ] Re: how do I join the list facebook group? [Shari Eaton Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 69 Time to get back on the Covers Retro train and get this one off to y'all lickety split! Volume 69: Some interesting and rare birds. Conversation done bluegrass style, Sex Kills done jazz style, an unreleased Judy Collins Midway before she released it, and many more audio delights. Dig in. http://tinyurl.com/c2me8a5 1. John Cain - Both Sides Now 2. Wheatfield - Conversation 3. Judy Collins - That Song About The Midway (live) 4. Elisabeth Lohninger Quartet - Both Sides Now 5. Carole Kai - Raised On Robbery 6. Bobby Vee - (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 7. Bobby Vernon - Both Sides Now 8. David Lahm - Ladies Of The Canyon 9. Derek Brimstone - Chelsea Morning 10. The Barbers & Bishops - Jingle Bells/River 11. Art Reyes - Both Sides Now 12. Vocalogy - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 13. Ulla Lindhardt & Comely Grace - Little Green 14. Lisa Otey and The Desert Divas - River 15. Julie Bonk - Both Sides Now 16. Melissa Sweeney - Sex Kills 17. Nicole Kramer - Help Me 18. Cristina Branco - A Case Of You 19. Home - Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:58:08 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Hope from Graham Nash Hi Betsy I, for one, am happy and relieved to read that Joni is healing. When she was making remarks about fighting for her life, I was concerned about just how serious her condition was. It's great to know she's coming through it. I was trying to find something out about Mr. Fish, the interviewer and author of this piece. I found this: http://www.clowncrack.com/about/ From reading that snippet of biography and the GN interview, he seems to be irreverent, radical and (at least in the GN piece) verbose in his writing. His description of himself at age 11 is amusing, employing elaborately descriptive language laced with most of those 7 words that George Carlin talked about and then some. I am interested in finding out how old this guy is. Does anybody know anything about him? His writing and political views seem to come right out of late 60s radicalism. He doesn't pull any punches in his political cartoons either. Expletives aside, I have to admit that I suspect that he and Graham are right about a lot of what they have to say about the present state of our world. I, for one, don't believe for a minute that radiation from the Fukushima meltdown isn't going to have long-term effects on our oceans anymore than I believe that the obscene amount of crude oil that gushed into the Gulf of Mexico in 2010 is going to just magically wash away. And Marianne, I agree with you that fracking is insane. And yes, I also believe that, in the U. S. anyway, the majority of us have been lulled into comfortable, apathetic acceptance while being firmly held under the thumbs of the few who have enough money to buy their way around just about any accountability or restraint that stands in the way of their avarice. I don't mean to start one of those heated political discussions that we used to have here. So I'll bring this back around to Joni. In her last release, 'Shine' Joni had plenty to say about the horrible abuse the earth has been subjected to and the short-sightedness and denial that allow it to go on. I think there is a lot of hard truth in 'Shine'. Joni has been a sort of prophetic voice for a long time. But with 'Shine' she really took off the gloves and hit hard just like she did with 'Dog Eat Dog'. Graham says he can 'feel her getting angry again'. If she does produce another record, I wonder just how much anger she will express. Graham Nash also says the language of dissent is music and makes reference to the long history of musicians raising public awareness of injustice. I like this final exchange: Fish: All right, maybe we should talk about something more positive. GN: But it is positive because we're trying to bring awareness about certain issues. Sure, the subject is pretty negative, but the fact that we're trying to deal with it is not. And for the record, I am just as guilty as the next person when it comes to fossil fuel addiction and love of all my toys and creature comforts. I'm sure my carbon footprint is not any shining example of 'going green'. And I'm not about to go out and join a movement to start a revolution. I don't read political blogs or newspapers, so who am I to talk? So, if there's no good reception for, then tune me out. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:12 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Hope from Graham Nash I can't believe nobody has commented on the recent library article, JC here: GN: I miss Joni too. I talked to her a couple months ago. She's had a hard last four or five years with a disease [Morgellons syndrome] that she thinks she has and that many people know she has and that doctors don't think she has. So she hasn't put pen to paper or brush to paint in a long time, but she's coming out of it. When I talked to her she said that she's over [Morgellons]. She thinks it's a negative part of her life and she wants to turn more positive. I've seen a couple pictures of her lately with Bonnie [Raitt] and Jane Fonda where she looked fucking stunning. I can feel her getting angry about life again and not just concentrating on this one thing that's pissing her off about personal stuff. There's no way that Joni Mitchell won't write again and there's no way in hell that when she does write again that she won't fucking knock us on our ass. She's a brilliant, brilliant writer. jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2514 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:31:17 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Graham Nash Still Really Gives a S#!* Title: Graham Nash Still Really Gives a S#!* Publication: truthdig.com Date: 2012.08.05 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2514 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:05:24 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy Love this whole exchange. Horrible things coming from good circumstances is a really interesting notion in this guilt laden world of ours. On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Mark, I don't think that any info in Mr Anderson's obit is any reason to > ignore your beautifully written post! > It does not matter if a particular > theory may not be valid, the thought behind it is much more broad and remains > valid. > And it just reminded me of my favourite theory: everything is chaos and > random good or bad luck, without much sense or justice, and still throughout > this mess we should have our own imperative to "do the right thing" (i.e. to > only do to others as we would wish to be done to us). > So yes, we can > probably all find terrible things like war or accidents which have set off > good coincidences and meetings which may have led to the birth of a genius. > But in the same way good intentions may have led to the birth of mass > killers. There is just no justice... And still we should never stop trying > to do the right thing... > > Just my quick personal reaction, maybe not in the > direction you had in mind, but thanks for prompting a reaction at all, I feel > like I am waking up! > Big hug, > Lieve > > > >> ________________________________ >> > From: Mark >> To: joni >> Sent: > Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 5:43 >> Subject: Fw: The Tea Leaf Prophecy >> >> I looked > at Mr. Anderson's obit again. Just ignore this email. >> >> -----Original > Message----- From: Mark >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:10 PM >> To: joni >> Subject: The Tea Leaf Prophecy >> >> Like Lieve, I was beginning to wonder if I > had anything left to contribute >> to the JMDL. And every time anybody mentions > Facebook here, I feel a slight >> pang of guilt. >> >> Actually I've been in a funk > about writing anything for awhile. I'm hoping >> the fog in my brain is at > least thinning enough to let a few things emerge. >> I don't think I want it to > completely burn off. The stark, unclouded vision >> of what's in there might be > too much for me. I sometimes fear that I live >> too much in my own thoughts > and I should come out more often before I forget >> how. >> >> I finished another > book on my bus to work this morning and, once again, it >> triggered a Joni > Mitchell ear worm without my even realizing it. The book >> is 'Atonement' by > Ian McEwan. There was a very good movie made out of it a >> few years ago. > Keira Knightly got some positive buzz out of it. Enough >> time has gone by > since I saw the movie to make the story seem fresh and the >> book is very well > written. The novel is set in England and begins just >> before WWII. Of > course, the war, the evacuation from Dunkirk in particular, >> becomes a large > factor in the plot. I had some recollection of the twist >> that comes at the > end of the story but it is revealed in a different manner >> in the book and I > was totally absorbed by it. I re-read the last few pages >> on the bus home and > it started my brain off in all kinds of different >> directions. But underneath > it all was the line, set to Joni's melody, >> 'study war no more, lay down your > arms' and just like in 'The Tea Leaf >> Prophecy' it repeated itself over and > over. >> >> This has probably been discussed before and if I've written basically > the >> same thing before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same > thing >> before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same thing > before.... >> >> The needle gets stuck in a groove sometimes, I guess. >> >> The > line about Hiroshima in the final verse of the song is a strong >> statement > about the ultimate evil inherent in war. But if you think about >> it, if it > hadn't been for the war, there might not have been a 'young flight >> sergeant > on two weeks leave'. The man in question might not have been in >> the military > at all, let alone on two weeks leave. >> >> So Bill and Myrtle might never have > met had there not been a WWII. >> >> It makes me wonder if 'study war no more' > has a wee tinge of irony in it as >> it repeats itself throughout the song. I > am in no way implying that there >> is a pro-war message there. Joni has made > her feelings on that subject >> clearly known almost from the start of her > career. But I think the thought >> must have crossed her mind at some point > that she might not exist if that >> huge historical event had not sent its waves > of circumstance all the way to >> Regina Saskatchewan back in 1943 and brought a > man and a woman together . >> >> Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:22:36 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 I am blown away by this exchange as well. Liev, you make an incredible case for human spirituality & morality. Humans have to keep trying & we may never know any of the answers. Good, bad....what to make of evil & dark things in our nature. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:12:32 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 > > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 7 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 1053 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy [Shari Eaton ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:05:24 -0700 > From: Shari Eaton > Subject: Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy > > Love this whole exchange. Horrible things coming from good circumstances is a really interesting notion in this guilt laden world of ours. > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > > > Mark, I don't think that any info in Mr Anderson's obit is any reason to > > ignore your beautifully written post! > > It does not matter if a particular > > theory may not be valid, the thought behind it is much more broad and remains > > valid. > > And it just reminded me of my favourite theory: everything is chaos and > > random good or bad luck, without much sense or justice, and still throughout > > this mess we should have our own imperative to "do the right thing" (i.e. to > > only do to others as we would wish to be done to us). > > So yes, we can > > probably all find terrible things like war or accidents which have set off > > good coincidences and meetings which may have led to the birth of a genius. > > But in the same way good intentions may have led to the birth of mass > > killers. There is just no justice... And still we should never stop trying > > to do the right thing... > > > > Just my quick personal reaction, maybe not in the > > direction you had in mind, but thanks for prompting a reaction at all, I feel > > like I am waking up! > > Big hug, > > Lieve > > > > > > > >> ________________________________ > >> > > From: Mark > >> To: joni > >> Sent: > > Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 5:43 > >> Subject: Fw: The Tea Leaf Prophecy > >> > >> I looked > > at Mr. Anderson's obit again. Just ignore this email. > >> > >> -----Original > > Message----- From: Mark > >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:10 PM > >> To: joni > >> Subject: The Tea Leaf Prophecy > >> > >> Like Lieve, I was beginning to wonder if I > > had anything left to contribute > >> to the JMDL. And every time anybody mentions > > Facebook here, I feel a slight > >> pang of guilt. > >> > >> Actually I've been in a funk > > about writing anything for awhile. I'm hoping > >> the fog in my brain is at > > least thinning enough to let a few things emerge. > >> I don't think I want it to > > completely burn off. The stark, unclouded vision > >> of what's in there might be > > too much for me. I sometimes fear that I live > >> too much in my own thoughts > > and I should come out more often before I forget > >> how. > >> > >> I finished another > > book on my bus to work this morning and, once again, it > >> triggered a Joni > > Mitchell ear worm without my even realizing it. The book > >> is 'Atonement' by > > Ian McEwan. There was a very good movie made out of it a > >> few years ago. > > Keira Knightly got some positive buzz out of it. Enough > >> time has gone by > > since I saw the movie to make the story seem fresh and the > >> book is very well > > written. The novel is set in England and begins just > >> before WWII. Of > > course, the war, the evacuation from Dunkirk in particular, > >> becomes a large > > factor in the plot. I had some recollection of the twist > >> that comes at the > > end of the story but it is revealed in a different manner > >> in the book and I > > was totally absorbed by it. I re-read the last few pages > >> on the bus home and > > it started my brain off in all kinds of different > >> directions. But underneath > > it all was the line, set to Joni's melody, > >> 'study war no more, lay down your > > arms' and just like in 'The Tea Leaf > >> Prophecy' it repeated itself over and > > over. > >> > >> This has probably been discussed before and if I've written basically > > the > >> same thing before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same > > thing > >> before, all I can say is if I've written basically the same thing > > before.... > >> > >> The needle gets stuck in a groove sometimes, I guess. > >> > >> The > > line about Hiroshima in the final verse of the song is a strong > >> statement > > about the ultimate evil inherent in war. But if you think about > >> it, if it > > hadn't been for the war, there might not have been a 'young flight > >> sergeant > > on two weeks leave'. The man in question might not have been in > >> the military > > at all, let alone on two weeks leave. > >> > >> So Bill and Myrtle might never have > > met had there not been a WWII. > >> > >> It makes me wonder if 'study war no more' > > has a wee tinge of irony in it as > >> it repeats itself throughout the song. I > > am in no way implying that there > >> is a pro-war message there. Joni has made > > her feelings on that subject > >> clearly known almost from the start of her > > career. But I think the thought > >> must have crossed her mind at some point > > that she might not exist if that > >> huge historical event had not sent its waves > > of circumstance all the way to > >> Regina Saskatchewan back in 1943 and brought a > > man and a woman together . > >> > >> Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #1053 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:29:30 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: how do I join the list facebook group? Oh this is awkward. On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > Did I pass did I pass???? > > > Paz > > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:35:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy This is also very timely as I just read this week that Harry Truman's grandson visited Hiroshima this week to commemorate the 67th anniversary of the bombing, the first member of Truman's family to do so. You can look at this song as a positive one, but I'm not sure I do. The line that always sticks in my craw is "Don't have kids when you get grown because this world is shattered". What a sad, sad thing to tell a child - obviously it stuck with Joni as she remembered it all those years later. 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