From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #220 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 12 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 220 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 [Tejas4x4@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #993 [Mike Wood ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 [Victor ] Joni's self-acceptance as a creative [Shari Eaton ] [none] [hejira924@aol.com] Re: Great Joni interviews [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] [none] [Sharon Watkins ] RE: Great Joni interviews [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Rare (Unreleased) Joni songs [Bob Muller ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 ["Gary Hanick" ] RE: Great Joni interviews [Susan Tierney McNamara ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Tejas4x4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 I've loved Fiona from the beginning. True artist. I was recently turned on to Regina Spector and bought her latest CD and had to give few listens before it started to come together - but really dig her music style, writing and VOICE. If you get a chance GOOGLE her she has an amazing story. She was on Austin City Limits which I saw on PBS. Great show... Another True artist. Frank In a message dated 7/11/2012 4:28:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.travis@frontier.com writes: I took a look at Fiona's latest in Starbuck's yesterday. I don't know if the title is a lyric from one of the songs or any indication of the content but it seems to me to have much more of an edge to it than most of Joni's output. The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than the Driver of the Screw and Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do I think Joni does have some edge in some of her work, however. I don't know about popular artists in music today. I get a kick out of Lady Gaga. I'm on the fence about Adele. Debating whether I want to buy one of her CDs or not. I've seen Adele on TV and she reminds me a bit of Dusty Springfield. I have Laura Marling's last one in my Amazon wish list and haven't bought it yet. I didn't have a whole lot of disposable income in the years when most of you were buying a lot of music. It made me very selective and that seems to have stayed with me over the years. I've 'discovered' music in the last 10 or so years that is more than 30 or 40 years old now. Dusty Springfield is a good example. I never knew what a wonderful singer she was until I picked up the Rhino 'Dusty in Memphis' with extra tracks sometime after it was released in 1999. I do think that movies have become so box office driven that it is almost impossible to find anything that, for me anyway, is worth paying money to see. Everything is either a remake of an older movie, a graphically gory movie about vampires or some other supernatural predatory creature, an outlandishly plotted action thriller with lots of explosions and special effects, a take-off on some old television sit-com, Pixar animated with those shiny looking, kinda cutesy, kinda scary looking critters that spout out smart remarks or some inane comedy with silly and/or scatological content that passes for humor. Lately there has also been a trend of making the same fairy tales that Disney used to make hand-drawn animated films out of and putting a new, dark, edgy slant on them. No, thank you. End of rant. Back to the shadows. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanick Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:01 PM To: joni@smoe.org ; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 Yes, I agree. No one will ever take Joni's musical place, or her influence on so many of us...and why should they? But I think even Joni would agree that it's time to open the windows and let the air start to circulate. Her music will always be with us; it's part of our genetic structure, I think. Just as the impressionists gave rise to new art forms and it continued to evolve, we can only hope the same will happen with popular music. Of course there are plenty of exceptions, but the last 25 years, or so, have not been encouraging. There've been no Elvis, Dylan, Beatles, Stones, Elton, Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Aretha, Whitney, or Madonna to STIR the mass imagination. It's been very fractured. It's always been about making money, but we've taken that, as with everything else, and ran it off a cliff. I am sure I am going to get called on this...it's just my opinion. Had popular music been more inspirational, perhaps the world would not be in quite the funk it is these days -- and has been for awhile! The 60's and 70's would have been deadly without the music. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:57 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 987 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni versu Fiona. [Shari Eaton ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:50:26 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni versu Fiona. As much as we'd all love a lot more Joni like influence in our lives I'm quite certain we all know in our hearts that she is simply unique and irreplaceable. Shari On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Merk54@aol.com wrote: > So all of this talk about Joni versus Fiona really peaked my interest. > Prior to this, I had none of Fionabs music, and knew very little about her. > Trusting the extremely high taste level of the JMDL, I decided to purchase > her new CD and buy a ticket for her concert last night at the Chicago > Theatre. I think the CD will take a few listens to before I can pass judgment > on > it, but the show last night was amazing. I havenbt been able to dig into > her lyrics yet, so I canbt really compare them to Jonibs, but from a live > concert perspective, they are very different artists. In my opinion, Fiona > was much closer to Patti Smith than Joni. There is much more venom in her > presentation then anything Joni has done (maybe her live version of > Banquet comes close). Fiona was a very visceral performer, twisting and > twitching and contorting her body, as if she was exorcising the songs from > inside > her. > Joni has always been a master of melancholy to me, where Fiona emoted more > rage - kind of like heartache versus heartbreak, drama versus trauma, > contemplation versus catharsis. Its almost like Joni might be sad at how > things > turned out, but bNo regrets, Coyoteb, where as Fiona is mad as hell and > is going to let you know it. Again, all of this is based solely upon her > performance. Once I dig into her lyrics, I might have an entirely different > opinion. > Anyway, just thought I would share this since this was discussed recently. > And thanks! This discussion turned me on to a great concert. If you > have a chance to see her, I highly recommend going. > Jack - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #987 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:02:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Mike Wood Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #993 If you haven't yet got into the latest Laura Marling c.d., I recommend you do so without delay. I think it is brilliant; my favourite record from last year, just pipping p.j.harvey and gillian welch. All great great albums. Kate bush was in there with a shout too; the best year for a long time in my opinion. I hsve not yet heard anything this year which moves me so much. I refuse to compare to Joni, but I think that she would find something to like in all of these albums! To me, some of the stylings on the Laura Marling are as close to "jazz" as to "folk".. ======================================== Message Received: Jul 12 2012, 03:52 AM From: "JMDL Digest" To: joni-digest@smoe.org Cc: Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #993 JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 993 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 [Tejas4x4@aol.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Tejas4x4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 I've loved Fiona from the beginning. True artist. I was recently turned on to Regina Spector and bought her latest CD and had to give few listens before it started to come together - but really dig her music style, writing and VOICE. If you get a chance GOOGLE her she has an amazing story. She was on Austin City Limits which I saw on PBS. Great show... Another True artist. Frank In a message dated 7/11/2012 4:28:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.travis@frontier.com writes: I took a look at Fiona's latest in Starbuck's yesterday. I don't know if the title is a lyric from one of the songs or any indication of the content but it seems to me to have much more of an edge to it than most of Joni's output. The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than the Driver of the Screw and Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do I think Joni does have some edge in some of her work, however. I don't know about popular artists in music today. I get a kick out of Lady Gaga. I'm on the fence about Adele. Debating whether I want to buy one of her CDs or not. I've seen Adele on TV and she reminds me a bit of Dusty Springfield. I have Laura Marling's last one in my Amazon wish list and haven't bought it yet. I didn't have a whole lot of disposable income in the years when most of you were buying a lot of music. It made me very selective and that seems to have stayed with me over the years. I've 'discovered' music in the last 10 or so years that is more than 30 or 40 years old now. Dusty Springfield is a good example. I never knew what a wonderful singer she was until I picked up the Rhino 'Dusty in Memphis' with extra tracks sometime after it was released in 1999. I do think that movies have become so box office driven that it is almost impossible to find anything that, for me anyway, is worth paying money to see. Everything is either a remake of an older movie, a graphically gory movie about vampires or some other supernatural predatory creature, an outlandishly plotted action thriller with lots of explosions and special effects, a take-off on some old television sit-com, Pixar animated with those shiny looking, kinda cutesy, kinda scary looking critters that spout out smart remarks or some inane comedy with silly and/or scatological content that passes for humor. Lately there has also been a trend of making the same fairy tales that Disney used to make hand-drawn animated films out of and putting a new, dark, edgy slant on them. No, thank you. End of rant. Back to the shadows. Mark in Seattle - - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanick Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:01 PM To: joni@smoe.org ; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 Yes, I agree. No one will ever take Joni's musical place, or her influence on so many of us...and why should they? But I think even Joni would agree that it's time to open the windows and let the air start to circulate. Her music will always be with us; it's part of our genetic structure, I think. Just as the impressionists gave rise to new art forms and it continued to evolve, we can only hope the same will happen with popular music. Of course there are plenty of exceptions, but the last 25 years, or so, have not been encouraging. There've been no Elvis, Dylan, Beatles, Stones, Elton, Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Aretha, Whitney, or Madonna to STIR the mass imagination. It's been very fractured. It's always been about making money, but we've taken that, as with everything else, and ran it off a cliff. I am sure I am going to get called on this...it's just my opinion. Had popular music been more inspirational, perhaps the world would not be in quite the funk it is these days -- and has been for awhile! The 60's and 70's would have been deadly without the music. - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:57 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 987 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - - -------- Re: Joni versu Fiona. [Shari Eaton ] - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:50:26 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni versu Fiona. As much as we'd all love a lot more Joni like influence in our lives I'm quite certain we all know in our hearts that she is simply unique and irreplaceable. Shari On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Merk54@aol.com wrote: > So all of this talk about Joni versus Fiona really peaked my interest. > Prior to this, I had none of Fionabs music, and knew very little about her. > Trusting the extremely high taste level of the JMDL, I decided to purchase > her new CD and buy a ticket for her concert last night at the Chicago > Theatre. I think the CD will take a few listens to before I can pass judgment > on > it, but the show last night was amazing. I havenbt been able to dig into > her lyrics yet, so I canbt really compare them to Jonibs, but from a live > concert perspective, they are very different artists. In my opinion, Fiona > was much closer to Patti Smith than Joni. There is much more venom in her > presentation then anything Joni has done (maybe her live version of > Banquet comes close). Fiona was a very visceral performer, twisting and > twitching and contorting her body, as if she was exorcising the songs from > inside > her. > Joni has always been a master of melancholy to me, where Fiona emoted more > rage - kind of like heartache versus heartbreak, drama versus trauma, > contemplation versus catharsis. Its almost like Joni might be sad at how > things > turned out, but bNo regrets, Coyoteb, where as Fiona is mad as hell and > is going to let you know it. Again, all of this is based solely upon her > performance. Once I dig into her lyrics, I might have an entirely different > opinion. > Anyway, just thought I would share this since this was discussed recently. > And thanks! This discussion turned me on to a great concert. If you > have a chance to see her, I highly recommend going. > Jack - - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #987 ***************************** - - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - - ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #993 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:27:13 -0400 From: Victor Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 I went last night to see Further (Phil Lesh and Bib Weir of the Dead) and am going Saturday to CSN. We took Coltrane with us and I realized that Joni and these other great singers, songwriters are not going to be around for his life like they have been in mine. It really makes me value them and their music even more, and I am grateful to have experienced so much great music. Victor in Atlanta Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2012, at 5:01 PM, "Gary Hanick" wrote: > Yes, I agree. No one will ever take Joni's musical place, or her > influence on so many of us...and why should they? But I think even Joni > would agree that it's time to open the windows and let the air start to > circulate. Her music will always be with us; it's part of our genetic > structure, I think. > > Just as the impressionists gave rise to new art forms and it continued > to evolve, we can only hope the same will happen with popular music. Of > course there are plenty of exceptions, but the last 25 years, or so, > have not been encouraging. There've been no Elvis, Dylan, Beatles, > Stones, Elton, Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Aretha, Whitney, or Madonna > to STIR the mass imagination. It's been very fractured. It's always been > about making money, but we've taken that, as with everything else, and > ran it off a cliff. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:01:33 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Joni's self-acceptance as a creative I am keenly interested in Joni's confidence in herself as an artist. Living with such a strong emotional sensitivity was pretty brutal. Despite her calling's measures being pretty painful, she followed it through with clarity and fastidiousness. She does say that looking back she thinks it was rather silly but that could just be her humor coming through. It's my belief that we should be true to our own lots in life. She represents that for me. The subjects that she is interested in  her taste in music, literature, philosophy  her statements around social norms are also a line of discussion I'd love to get into. On the note of creativity/artistry, I just came across a lecturer who has some pretty interesting myths to dispel around creativity and how it really occupies the space in our lives. Harkening back Joni's channeling and mythical powers! :) She understands this stuff effortlessly. The 2012 Torrance Lecture: The Creativity Crisis - Kyung Hee Kim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clDZLfwzDok&feature=player_embedded#! Lots of Joni, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: hejira924@aol.com Subject: [none] http://mahsid-faheem.com/etropk.html?bgc=hxkdrvb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:03:43 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Great Joni interviews Joel Bernstein took care of that for her. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rare (Unreleased) Joni songs Believe it or not, the answer is on Jonimitchell.com (lest any of stray to a roofing website). http://jonimitchell.com/music/album.cfm?id=1 Only a handful of these that I haven't heard, either by Joni or by a cover. Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Children Of The Junks" ________________________________ From: Shari Eaton To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:26 PM Subject: Rare Joni videos Gift of the Magi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_nJSAwQaoA Joni Mitchell in Laurel Canyon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRu-DmBEvH4&feature=related I stumbled upon The Gift of the Magi yesterday. It was a first listen for me so thought I'd pass it along and see if there were any other hidden gems that anyone else knew of. Cheers, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:01:30 -0700 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 Yes, I agree. No one will ever take Joni's musical place, or her influence on so many of us...and why should they? But I think even Joni would agree that it's time to open the windows and let the air start to circulate. Her music will always be with us; it's part of our genetic structure, I think. Just as the impressionists gave rise to new art forms and it continued to evolve, we can only hope the same will happen with popular music. Of course there are plenty of exceptions, but the last 25 years, or so, have not been encouraging. There've been no Elvis, Dylan, Beatles, Stones, Elton, Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Aretha, Whitney, or Madonna to STIR the mass imagination. It's been very fractured. It's always been about making money, but we've taken that, as with everything else, and ran it off a cliff. I am sure I am going to get called on this...it's just my opinion. Had popular music been more inspirational, perhaps the world would not be in quite the funk it is these days -- and has been for awhile! The 60's and 70's would have been deadly without the music. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:57 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #987 JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 987 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni versu Fiona. [Shari Eaton ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:50:26 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni versu Fiona. As much as we'd all love a lot more Joni like influence in our lives I'm quite certain we all know in our hearts that she is simply unique and irreplaceable. Shari On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Merk54@aol.com wrote: > So all of this talk about Joni versus Fiona really peaked my interest. > Prior to this, I had none of Fionabs music, and knew very little about her. > Trusting the extremely high taste level of the JMDL, I decided to purchase > her new CD and buy a ticket for her concert last night at the Chicago > Theatre. I think the CD will take a few listens to before I can pass judgment > on > it, but the show last night was amazing. I havenbt been able to dig into > her lyrics yet, so I canbt really compare them to Jonibs, but from a live > concert perspective, they are very different artists. In my opinion, Fiona > was much closer to Patti Smith than Joni. There is much more venom in her > presentation then anything Joni has done (maybe her live version of > Banquet comes close). Fiona was a very visceral performer, twisting and > twitching and contorting her body, as if she was exorcising the songs from > inside > her. > Joni has always been a master of melancholy to me, where Fiona emoted more > rage - kind of like heartache versus heartbreak, drama versus trauma, > contemplation versus catharsis. Its almost like Joni might be sad at how > things > turned out, but bNo regrets, Coyoteb, where as Fiona is mad as hell and > is going to let you know it. Again, all of this is based solely upon her > performance. Once I dig into her lyrics, I might have an entirely different > opinion. > Anyway, just thought I would share this since this was discussed recently. > And thanks! This discussion turned me on to a great concert. If you > have a chance to see her, I highly recommend going. > Jack - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #987 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:38:21 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Great Joni interviews Right, I remember that now from the WTRF video. Thanks Bob!!!! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:25 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org; Shari Eaton Subject: RE: Great Joni interviews This would be a good trivia question ... what year did she stop playing dulcimer on stage?> A pretty easy one, I think...she played dulcimer on her 1983 world tour, specifically on ACOY with keyboard accompaniment on some shows. I'm not aware of her playing it anytime since then. 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