From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #183 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 19 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 183 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein [daligay@googlemail.com] Please discontinue sending me emails. the unsubscribe address did not work [dlegodlego@netscape] Joni and Klein and Luciana and Don [Betsy Blue ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:20:17 +0000 From: daligay@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein It seems to me that Joni was also in love with Don Freed who was introduced to her by her mama. Not marrying Don seems to have displeased her mother who obviously had a reverence for the institution of marriage beyond anything that Joni had. She'd not long come out of her second when her mum was advocating a third ! "What would the neighbours think?" springs to mind here. Again Joni seems to be saying " Again and again the same situation" and "We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall" or "I'ma wild seed again. Let the wind carry me" to her mother. She just wanted to enjoy her freedom which maybe she did for a while with Don (Freed). I don't know what happened there or for how long it lasted but it came to an end and thank goodness it didn't have to end in divorce. I'm sure both of them had their share of suffering when they split. He got painted rather beautifully by her and she sings in a sort of rapturous way about their love too so I guess it brought her release and certainly fulfilled what she herself likens to "Crop Rotation" : A new lover for each new artistic period .Joni described this in an interview somewhere saying that is what Picasso did too. I am sure the break up with Larry broke her heart as much as it broke Larry's. He himself said it took him five years to get himself together afterwards but that in the end he considered Joni his best friend. I don't think many men consider miscarriage such a big thing. Maybe that's to do with conditioning. Grieving for something not born is a hard one to get your head around. The whole idea is new to our culture. We hear now of naming ceremonies and burials for miscarried children to assist the parents through the process. Joni was probably wild with disappointment and ill too with the sheer pain of losing her baby. Larry himself admits he did not realise the full weight of the loss at the time and in retrospect wishes he had responded to her better. god knows what they went through. It must have been tough and it did lead to the end of their marriage which neither of them took lightly. Men seem to get over things quicker than women. Now that sounds like a sweeping generalization but look around you. How often do we see a man moving into his next relationship much sooner than the woman he has just split up with? Seems to me that's the way it goes.Maybe women need to take more time to recover and men need a woman to help them? Anyway what do I know? I'ma homo which brings me around to Justin Vivian Bond. Lesson in Survival and Let the Wind Carry Me were two of my swansongs growing up in a world rotten with homophobia. Just singing them made me feel safe ! Joni was letting me know that she saw through the crap of all that social conditioning. I can imagine for Justin Bond it was much the same. They've got it all wrong, don't worry...There's a way through this...Hold on to your own truth...These are some of the things that come out in these two songs as well as... keep your eyes on the beauty that's here for you as much as for anyone else in the world we live in. (Be alive as yourself !) When Joni says that people of emotional depth resonate with her music she knows what she's talking about. Maybe that's why there haven't been covers of these two songs in particular before,. They are loaded with emotional depth. I think it's great that a transgendered human being is singing our Joni. He also sings some Kate Bush and Tracy Chapman ! The boy's got taste. I love it when he sings "Leave the boy alone mother , he's looking like a movie queen" and the piano then goes into some tormented, twisted mass of music like tectonic plates are rubbing themselves together for some trouble ! .Mx JV Bond sounds a bit like Marianne Faithfull to me but that's no bad thing. I think she's great too.Sorry for the long post but had to get my tuppence worth in. I hope Sharon that you are alright....Your opinion is really well valued in my book if it's of any consequence to you. On , Rob And Tracy wrote: > I might have missed a few emails from this thread, so forgive me if I am > repeating something already said. It was my impression that our Joan is > the one who left Klein. However, I can't remember how any of that went > down, and I went into my book room tonight to reference Sheila Weller, > but Girls Like Us was apparently hiding amidst the book clutter (the > shelves are a fire hazard). I know for sure that Joni was with Don Freed > in 1994. I was living in Saskatoon at the time, a 5 minute walk to the > Broadway Bridge, and, unbeknownst to me, Myrtle!s house, and I kept > getting calls from my sister back in my hometown of Prince Albert, an > hour north of Saskatoon, telling me about the latest Joni sightings > around town. Don was the Artist in Residence at our local Arts Center, > and everyone and their dog hung out with them. My sister got the waiter > from Amy's on Second to steal me her wineglass one night, after Joni > apparently listened intently to her conversation. It's still in my ! > pantry. Anyway, they were together in 94 for sure. She took Freed to the > Grammies for the TI win. And like Patrick, I don't think TI is the second > coming. As I have said before, I much prefer the bumpy Klein period over > TI. CMIARS is way underrated. Anyway, back to Klein: we ( or some of us > Enquiring Minds, anyway) speculate on what songs were written for which > man. And indeed, these are songs of GENIUS. Willy, RNH, ACOY, See You > Sometime, etc. However, while I am not one to spin WTRF very often, I > absolutely LOVE the unabashed gushing romance in Solid Love and > Underneath the Streetlights. I love Joni not being melancholy. I love the > joy in these songs. I love the humanity in them. True, they ain't epic > stories about "who in the world you might be", but so what? We all long > for crazy, stupid love. And they had that for a bit. She loved the man > beside her and the open road. It ended up in a Last Chance Lost, I guess, > but for a while? They were soul mates. And I love! > d how Klein got her out of her head for a bit. Anyway, just my! > 2 cents > . > Rob > NP: Fogelberg "Leader of the Band" for my first Father's Day without a > father. Fellow Dads, teach your children well.... > Sent from my iPad > On 2012-06-17, at 1:26 PM, "patrick leader" pleader@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > > hey all - > > > > i'd heard there have been difficulties in joni's relationship with > kilauren, > > so i wasn't bothered by that, but this pissed me off: > > > > --- in the end he broke her heart. It just bothers me that he dumped > Joni > > for his young Brazilian wife. > > > > but i see that laura has done some deep research about it. > > > > here's a little more. i also didn't like the petty 'young brazilian > wife' > > reference. here are the birth and wedding years: > > > > joni - 1943 > > klein - 1956 > > souza - 1966 > > > > klein m. joni - 1982 > > klein m. souza - 2006 > > > > so joni and klein were 38 and 26 when they married, while klein and > souza > > were 50 and 40. the age difference was larger and more significant for > joni > > and klein (as they were both younger), and souza was 40 with a very > serious > > career going on when she married klein, hardly a young or insignificant > > person. > > > > i don't mean to pick on you, sharon, but the paragraph did seem to be > more > > about the joni in your head rather than the real person. > > > > i also agree with rob (evian) about klein's influence. first, he's a > great > > bass player, stepping into jaco's shoes on the 1982 live appearances > and the > > 1983 tour and sounding fantastic. second, they went on a production > journey > > together. they made some mistakes together, but they got better with > each > > album. i think the line from wild things, dog eat dog, chalkmark, and > night > > ride home is improvement with each album, and some (but not me) would > put > > turbulent indigo even higher. that's a pretty good record, and, for > > contrast, joni's first album without klein (taming the tiger) is very > poorly > > arranged and produced. > > > >> In my top 4 fave Joni songs is Nothing Can be Done, which she claims > isn't > > autobiographical but I call bs on that. > > > > yes to calling bs on joni and yes to a fantastic song. > > > > patrick > > > > np - tennis on tv ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dlegodlego@netscape.net Subject: Please discontinue sending me emails. the unsubscribe address did not work Please take me off of the list for mailings. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:53:59 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Joni and Klein and Luciana and Don Sue asked "Also, isn't it true that Joni and Klein are still good friends?" It sounds like they are on good terms, but he has a lovely and brilliant wife, a busy career, and most importantly a little boy to keep him busy. I'm sure Joni has plenty to keep her busy as well. I've never seen either of them say anything very negative about each other. Joni's complaint about her husband suddenly becoming a producer may be the worst of it. I hate to see Luciana Souza disparaged for basically not being Joni. I wish she hadn't done Amelia with Herbie Hancock because it invited the comparison. (Down to You didn't get much attention.) Everyone said she sounded like a young Joni. Either they weren't listening closely, or they were just being mean. What woman wants to be compared to their ex-husband's new wife? What singer-songwriter wants to be held against the standard of a legend? Of course, they did get Grammys from that project ;) Just my observation...when you look like Joni, men will put up with a lot of inconvenience to have you on their arm. She's probably been more of a dumper. But Don Freed was the one who wanted out, wasn't he? Betsy ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #183 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe