From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #182 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 18 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 182 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein [Lori Fye ] Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #860 [David Gizara ] Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein [Rob And Tracy ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:31:56 +0200 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein > Joni has just had a miscarriage when Klein was booked to > work in England so was committed to that contract while > needing to be with Joni but couldn't get out of it. See now ... THAT is icky. I really would hope that there's no amount of money to be lost from disengaging from a contract that would have kept Klein from being at Joni's side at that particular time. Of course I'm not the most practical person around, but I would have told said contract holder to feck off. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein I think a lot of people don't realize how devastating a miscarriage can be. Not only the loss of what was most likely a very wanted child, but add to that the hormones that happen anyway when a woman is pregnant and/or after she has had a child. You would have the same release of hormones following the miscarriage that you would have if you delivered a baby. It's like postpartum depression, and you don't even have a new baby to love. I'm sure that people don't even know about this until they're unfortunate enough to have a miscarriage. As with many things in life, no one talks about it, so most people might think, "Well, what's the problem? Get on with it." So, Klein probably had only a vague idea at the time about how terrible Joni must have been feeling and maybe she was beating herself up over her feelings too, so she might have stifled them, thinking she was being weak. I have absolutely no idea what might have gone on there, and, of course, no one really knows for sure what others are feeling or how they'll react to things. I have never had a miscarriage but someone very close to me did and it was only then that I had a clue about how badly it can affect people. Even the nurses at the hospital where my friend was didn't seem terribly sympathetic and behaved as if it were an everyday occurance, a small thing, so let's just get on with it. I realize that how my friend was feeling at the time might have coloured her perception of how the nurses were treating things but for someone just to offer a kind word and a little sympathy might have helped. I'm not blaming either Joni or Klein for this. It's probably one of those things that only become clear in retrospect. >________________________________ > From: Lori Fye >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:31:56 PM >Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein > >> Joni has just had a miscarriage when Klein was booked to >> work in England so was committed to that contract while >> needing to be with Joni but couldn't get out of it. > >See now ... THAT is icky. I really would hope that there's no amount of >money to be lost from disengaging from a contract that would have kept >Klein from being at Joni's side at that particular time. Of course I'm not >the most practical person around, but I would have told said contract >holder to feck off. > >Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:21:49 -0700 From: David Gizara Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #860 Such cool covers, I'm gonna throw one in for the upcoming Joni Mitchell Jazz Summer Solstice Radio Special this Thursday. David Gizara Thursday Night Jazz KLCC on facebook. On Jun 17, 2012, at 1:27 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Sunday, June 17 2012 Volume 2012 : > Number 860 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Justin Vivian Bond [Bob Muller >] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:23:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Justin Vivian Bond > > favorite > songs.> > > They're both gorgeous songs, definitely hard not to like. And the > two ARE like bookends and as such make it even cooler that she did > both. There > is another cover of "Let The Wind Carry Me" by Judy Kuhn, but it's > not a > released recording, it's a (fine) live version taken off YouTube - > luckily the > audio quality is sweet. > > I think these songs are so autobiographical that > singers have stayed clear of them, but > when you read the lyrics I'm sure that > many people have had those feelings and can relate to some if not > all of the > things she's talking about. > > Bob > > NP: Elvis Costello, "My Little Blue > Window" > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #860 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:06:01 -0600 From: Rob And Tracy Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's Memoir/Klein I might have missed a few emails from this thread, so forgive me if I am repeating something already said. It was my impression that our Joan is the one who left Klein. However, I can't remember how any of that went down, and I went into my book room tonight to reference Sheila Weller, but Girls Like Us was apparently hiding amidst the book clutter (the shelves are a fire hazard). I know for sure that Joni was with Don Freed in 1994. I was living in Saskatoon at the time, a 5 minute walk to the Broadway Bridge, and, unbeknownst to me, Myrtle!s house, and I kept getting calls from my sister back in my hometown of Prince Albert, an hour north of Saskatoon, telling me about the latest Joni sightings around town. Don was the Artist in Residence at our local Arts Center, and everyone and their dog hung out with them. My sister got the waiter from Amy's on Second to steal me her wineglass one night, after Joni apparently listened intently to her conversation. It's still in my pantry. Anyway, they were together in 94 for sure. She took Freed to the Grammies for the TI win. And like Patrick, I don't think TI is the second coming. As I have said before, I much prefer the bumpy Klein period over TI. CMIARS is way underrated. Anyway, back to Klein: we ( or some of us Enquiring Minds, anyway) speculate on what songs were written for which man. And indeed, these are songs of GENIUS. Willy, RNH, ACOY, See You Sometime, etc. However, while I am not one to spin WTRF very often, I absolutely LOVE the unabashed gushing romance in Solid Love and Underneath the Streetlights. I love Joni not being melancholy. I love the joy in these songs. I love the humanity in them. True, they ain't epic stories about "who in the world you might be", but so what? We all long for crazy, stupid love. And they had that for a bit. She loved the man beside her and the open road. It ended up in a Last Chance Lost, I guess, but for a while? They were soul mates. And I loved how Klein got her out of her head for a bit. Anyway, just my! 2 cents . Rob NP: Fogelberg "Leader of the Band" for my first Father's Day without a father. Fellow Dads, teach your children well.... Sent from my iPad On 2012-06-17, at 1:26 PM, "patrick leader" wrote: > hey all - > > i'd heard there have been difficulties in joni's relationship with kilauren, > so i wasn't bothered by that, but this pissed me off: > > --- in the end he broke her heart. It just bothers me that he dumped Joni > for his young Brazilian wife. > > but i see that laura has done some deep research about it. > > here's a little more. i also didn't like the petty 'young brazilian wife' > reference. here are the birth and wedding years: > > joni - 1943 > klein - 1956 > souza - 1966 > > klein m. joni - 1982 > klein m. souza - 2006 > > so joni and klein were 38 and 26 when they married, while klein and souza > were 50 and 40. the age difference was larger and more significant for joni > and klein (as they were both younger), and souza was 40 with a very serious > career going on when she married klein, hardly a young or insignificant > person. > > i don't mean to pick on you, sharon, but the paragraph did seem to be more > about the joni in your head rather than the real person. > > i also agree with rob (evian) about klein's influence. first, he's a great > bass player, stepping into jaco's shoes on the 1982 live appearances and the > 1983 tour and sounding fantastic. second, they went on a production journey > together. they made some mistakes together, but they got better with each > album. i think the line from wild things, dog eat dog, chalkmark, and night > ride home is improvement with each album, and some (but not me) would put > turbulent indigo even higher. that's a pretty good record, and, for > contrast, joni's first album without klein (taming the tiger) is very poorly > arranged and produced. > >> In my top 4 fave Joni songs is Nothing Can be Done, which she claims isn't > autobiographical but I call bs on that. > > yes to calling bs on joni and yes to a fantastic song. > > patrick > > np - tennis on tv ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #182 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe