From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #142 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 16 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 142 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! [Dave Blackburn ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #737 [Lindsay Moon ] Re: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! [Bob.Muller@Fluor] Joni-like [William Waddell ] Re: How about Jennifer carpenter? [LC Stanley ] Re: who should portray Joni? [Rose M Joy ] Re: A rose is a [Merk54@aol.com] RE: a case of you [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Re: a case of you [daligay@googlemail.com] Re: who should portray Joni? [Dan Olson ] Re: who should portray Joni? ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:16:03 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! Dear Joniphiles, It's time once again for the annual JoniMitchell.com fundraiser and, as for the past two years, everyone who makes a donation will be treated to a download collection of Joni covers. The musicians among us are invited to record a Joni cover (just one please) and send it to me at this email address via Dropbox or Yousendit. Important: AIFF, Apple Lossless or WAV formats are what I need; Mp3s or Mp4 files will not work as they can't be edited or mastered. Contact me offlist if you need help understanding the digital audio jargon. Each year the quality of the covers submissions has been outstanding. I'm sure this year will be no exception. Donations from any and all can be made via Paypal or even a mailed check to http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm yours in music, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:47:41 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: who should portray Joni? Yeah, I don't really mind if they lip synch as long as it's a good script and great acting ... Kilauren? I don't know about you but I can't see myself playing my mother in a movie ... that would freak me out!! :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Dan Olson [mailto:dgolson999@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:23 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording studio. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, but didn't really look exactly like her. sue email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul Ivice [ivpaul42@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: who should portray Joni? I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a > search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some of > Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except > for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll > meet that credential? Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the music scene to become stars when they were in their 20s? Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but expecting either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and sounded younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:48:22 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #737 Joni said she met with Prince and went to his recording studio and when he played her the song/s he felt "stole" from her or were "heavily influenced" by her, she couldn't hear the similarities at all. Haha. Lindsay On May 15, 2012, at 11:23 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 737 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! [Rose M Joy ] > Re: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! [Bob.Muller@Fluor] > Fwd: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! [Michael Paz Re: who should portray Joni? [Dan Olson ] > 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! [Dave Blackburn Purple Rain/ Joni [Betsy Blue ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:48:57 -0400 > From: Rose M Joy > Subject: Re: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! > > Thank you Michael, miss George sigh....... > > Rosie > oxo > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 15, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Michael Paz > wrote: > >> Here is a little tid bit I never heard before. Check out the guitar >> part that >> never made the record on Here Comes The Sun. >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B1RxdeqxF-U > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:01:37 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! > > Dave, > > Thanks for doing this - I put my tip in the jar and anxiously await this > year's collection. Last year's was indeed outstanding. > > Bob > > NP: REM, "Burning Down" > > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:01:50 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Fwd: Still more... (NJC) Beatle Content!!! > > Here is a little tid bit I never heard before. Check out the guitar part that > never made the record on Here Comes The Sun. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B1RxdeqxF-U > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:23:27 -0500 > From: Dan Olson > Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? > > Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So > perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their > own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording > studio. > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: > >> yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book >> played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. >> I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make >> them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going >> with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is >> better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta >> Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly >> like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, >> but didn't really look exactly like her. >> >> sue >> >> >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> ________________________________________ >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul Ivice [ >> ivpaul42@aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: who should portray Joni? >> >> I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a >>> search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some >> of >>> Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except >>> for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll >>> meet that credential? >> >> Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the music >> scene >> to become stars when they were in their 20s? >> Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but expecting >> either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and sounded >> younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like >> 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:16:03 -0700 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! > > Dear Joniphiles, > > It's time once again for the annual JoniMitchell.com fundraiser and, as for the past two years, everyone who makes a donation will be treated to a download collection of Joni covers. The musicians among us are invited to record a Joni cover (just one please) and send it to me at this email address via Dropbox or Yousendit. Important: AIFF, Apple Lossless or WAV formats are what I need; Mp3s or Mp4 files will not work as they can't be edited or mastered. Contact me offlist if you need help understanding the digital audio jargon. > > Each year the quality of the covers submissions has been outstanding. I'm sure this year will be no exception. > > Donations from any and all can be made via Paypal or even a mailed check to http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm > > yours in music, > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:32:31 -0700 > From: Betsy Blue > Subject: Purple Rain/ Joni > > Coyote Rick said; > > "Never having been a huge Prince fan, I've not paid a lot of attention to his > music. On the way into work this AM, our local (awesome) classic rock station > was playing a salute to 1984. This song started which at first I thought was > Joni, sounding something like would come from TTT. It all happened so fast, my > not-yet-fully-awake brain didn't consider the chronology. Alas, turns out it > was Purple Rain. I recall Joni and Prince having a cordial relationship. Just > wondering if anyone else has heard a musical similarity?" > > Now I'm a big fan of Prince, and happen to think he is an innovator, not just > a hybrid. He was deeply influenced by Joni, and I hear it in his rhythm and > harmony. > > There are the obvious references to Joni and the song Help Me in The Ballad of > Dorothy Parker, but the sampling technique is actually very similar to This > Flight Tonight. > > Mr. McGee is the boss of the 5 and dime in Raspberry Beret, and has a General > Store in Paprika Plains. Who else wears berets? These songs also share the > "weather report" conveying emotion. > > Controversy has "*Joni*" on the back cover. > > I always think of Shadows and Light when Let's Go Crazy starts up. > > And don't forget A Case of U! > > Prince also wrote a song intended for Joni, but she didn't record it. > > One of my friends had a couple of professional encounters with Prince and > found him to be very amiable. He was also wearing leggings on both occasions > and a backwards sweater on one, but that's another story. > > Betsy > NP Hold On, Alabama Shakes > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #737 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:01:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 2012 JoniMitchell.com fundraiser- it's covers time! Dave, Thanks for doing this - I put my tip in the jar and anxiously await this year's collection. Last year's was indeed outstanding. Bob NP: REM, "Burning Down" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 07:49:19 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: Joni-like Actress Samantha Womack has a most Joni-like look, not in a spitting image way, but she does have slightly unusual features. The late Kevin Aucoin could have made her up to be indistinguishable from the real thing. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/celebrities/samantha-womack/ See Calista Flockhart as Audrey Hepburn here: http://www.zimbio.com/100+Most+Influential+People+in+Fashion/articles/223/Fas hion+Influential+44+Kevyn+Aucoin WtS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: How about Jennifer carpenter? Dexter's sister!!! She's awesome!!! ________________________________ From: ava rosenblum To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:28 PM Subject: How about Jennifer carpenter? This is the lead female actress on Showtime's Dexter. I love her, and I believe she could capture young Joni. Imagine her with blonde hair, and check out Dexter to see her quirky character. Don't know if she can sing.... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1358539/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:09:05 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Perhaps she would have some issues, but there was a movie being made in Asbury Park, where a young female character was portrayed by my friend Susan's daughter. Later in the script, as the women grew older, her mother, Susan appeared at the screendoor. It actually worked out very well. Just thinking...in between tearing down wallpaper lol. Rosie Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Yeah, I don't really mind if they lip synch as long as it's a good > script and > great acting ... Kilauren? I don't know about you but I can't see > myself > playing my mother in a movie ... that would freak me out!! :) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > From: Dan Olson [mailto:dgolson999@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:23 PM > To: Susan Tierney McNamara > Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? > > Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. > So perhaps > whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their > own parts > in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording studio. > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > > wrote: > yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book > played > out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. > I think > they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make > them look > older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going with > talented > newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is better > than good > musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta Lynn (and I > think she > sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly like Loretta > either. > Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, but didn't > really look > exactly like her. > > sue > > > email: sem8@cornell.edu > ________________________________________ > From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul > Ivice > [ivpaul42@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: who should portray Joni? > > I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should > be a >> search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture >> some of >> Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather >> except >> for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, >> who'll >> meet that credential? > > Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the > music scene > to become stars when they were in their 20s? > Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but > expecting > either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and > sounded > younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like > 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:52:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: A rose is a One of my favorites is from Night of the Iguana on Shine "The jasmine is so mercilessly sweet." I was on a trip where the hotel I was staying at had jasmine planted all around, and the fragrance was indeed merciless! Jack In a message dated 5/8/2012 4:49:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: You have warmed my heart with thoughts of all things joni and roses. I love it when themes/ motifs are mentioned. Anytime someone wants to take a joni theme and highlight or analyze it, I am happy. Thanks sweet person. XOXO Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:59:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: A Rose is a Rose is a Rose I don't know if any of you watched the Kentucky Derby Saturday. I typically don't, but my neighbors invited me over to hang out (they have a nice screened-in porch with a big screen TV) and watch the pre-race stuff, the race itself, and of course enjoy some snacks and beverages. The most exciting 2 minutes in sports (so they say) and "I'll Have Another" was the winner. The first Joni song that came to mind was actually 'Dancing Clown' since the basis for that song was a list of racing horse names (a weak inspiration for a weak song but I digress), but after the win I watched as they placed the blanket of roses on the horse's withers and I thought about 'For The Roses'. Further to that, it brought back an offline discussion I had with a JMDL'er about the number of songs that feature Roses: - - -'For The Roses' & 'Roses Blue', both with the word in the title and significant use of the symbol; - - -In Otis & Marlena she describes the sky being as red as meat and a cheap pink ROSE; - - -Photo Beauty has that famous ROSE in her teeth in 'People's Parties'; - - -Miss Fortune has a ROSE on her big-game gun in 'Dreamland'; - - -'Tin Angel' has ROSES dipped in sealing wax; - - -Richard says "you like ROSES and kisses and pretty men....(we all know the rest of that line); - - -The protagonist of 'The Gallery' is naked in the ROSES; - - -Dying ROSES feature in 'Songs To Aging Children Come'. - - -She also mentions roses in two early unreleased songs ('Strawflower Me' & 'Poor Sad Baby') I can't think of any other really significant flowers in Joni's work. Was it a copout that she ALWAYS uses a rose or is another example of duality (the pretty sweet-smelling flower laced with the prickly thorns?) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:01:34 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: a case of you When we talk about A Case of You in this manner, it also reminds me of Don't Interrupt The Sorrow ... I think there is a thin line between "doormat" and the attitude that a woman can take everything that's being thrown at her and "still stay on my feet." The reason why I love these songs so much is they transmitted to me my own "feet of clay" when I think I can love a person who really doesn't have my best interests in mind (be prepared to bleed!). I felt a camaraderie with Joni in feeling like a storm trooper in complicated relationships with complicated people (including myself!) I don't think we can ever talk about these songs in black and white. Joni's genius was conveying these heartbreaking emotions not only through her lyrics but her achingly beautiful chord structures (and ACOY with only four strings!) . Brilliant!!! Take care, Sue email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Zubairi Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM To: Michael Flaherty Cc: ingrid lochrenberg; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: a case of you Joni says that this song is a response to all the "doormat songs" that are written for women to sing - songs about waiting their man to come home. Joni thought she'd write a song where the woman could "drink him under the table" and be his equal and still come up top. Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, VoiceOver, On 13 May 2012, at 16:32, Michael Flaherty wrote: > Well, from what I understand it wasn't written for "A" man, but for 3: Leonard Cohen (verse 1), Graham Nash (verse 2), and James Taylor (verse 3). > > Even if those identifications are wrong, I think it's very safe to say that the "you" is male. > > Michael F. > > > > ________________________________ > From: ingrid lochrenberg > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:01 AM > Subject: a case of you > > i do NOT believe that the song (a case of you) was written for a man....I think that intuitively, nobody believes it...am i wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:11:46 +0000 From: daligay@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Re: a case of you But ! Isn't she singing she could drink a case of "you, darlin" not a case of wine or whiskey? I'm not suggesting Joni couldn't drink a man under the table but I think Joni is as much a doormat in this particular song as any other woman sitting waiting for her man. Is she not saying she can take whatever crap he/they fling at her and she'll still be there for him/them ? Okay so she's not pining like so many other songs written about failed relationships although Car on a Hill springs to mind when we think of a woman waiting for her man to come home..or maybe the girl in that song was hopelessly sad about a date not showing up ? I think Joni writes the best songs but often in the same vein as lesser mortals. On , Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Joni says that this song is a response to all the "doormat songs" that > are written for women to sing - songs about waiting their man to come > home. Joni thought she'd write a song where the woman could "drink him > under the table" and be his equal and still come up top. > Jamie Zubairi > Actor, Artist, VoiceOver, > On 13 May 2012, at 16:32, Michael Flaherty mflaher3@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Well, from what I understand it wasn't written for "A" man, but for 3: > Leonard Cohen (verse 1), Graham Nash (verse 2), and James Taylor (verse > 3). > > > > Even if those identifications are wrong, I think it's very safe to say > that the "you" is male. > > > > Michael F. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: ingrid lochrenberg jspbeach@telkomsa.net> > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:01 AM > > Subject: a case of you > > > > i do NOT believe that the song (a case of you) was written for a > man....I think that intuitively, nobody believes it...am i wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:23:27 -0500 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording studio. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book > played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. > I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make > them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going > with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is > better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta > Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly > like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, > but didn't really look exactly like her. > > sue > > > email: sem8@cornell.edu > ________________________________________ > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul Ivice [ > ivpaul42@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: who should portray Joni? > > I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a > > search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some > of > > Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except > > for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll > > meet that credential? > > Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the music > scene > to become stars when they were in their 20s? > Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but expecting > either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and sounded > younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like > 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:34:00 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Sissy Spacek did do all the singing in 'Coal Miner's Daughter'. I don't know if Spacek lip-synched pre-recorded vocals. That is generally the method that singing performances have been filmed in Hollywood musicals. But that has not always been the case. I was reading a review of the Blu-Ray of 'My Fair Lady' that says Rex Harrison refused to lip-synch his songs in that movie. But then again, he mostly spoke-sang the songs and did it brilliantly. It fit the Henry Higgins that Harrison created in the musical beautifully. I believe Barbra Streisand sang the last number of 'Funny Girl' live for the filming. She didn't feel she could effectively put across one of Fanny Brice's most famous numbers, 'My Man' unless she was actually singing it while being filmed. The DVD recording of one of Judy Garland's classics, maybe 'Easter Parade', contains an 'extra' showing Garland performing a song that must have been cut from the film. There are multiple takes of her coming out from behind a curtain onto a stage as a recording of her voice plays. She doesn't start the lip-synching at the beginning of the playback, but once she starts something I can't really explain happens. The vocal seems to sound different when the movements of her mouth match the recording. It somehow comes alive and it's easy to believe she is actually singing it. But then Judy was a pro at what she was doing by that time and she did it perfectly and seemingly effortlessly. I'm not very knowledgeable about the current crop of vocalists in the recording industry. From what I see on television shows like 'American Idol', I donbt' think there has been one that sounds anything like Joni. It would be great to have an actress that could both sing and act the role with the high quality that this talented and complex artist deserves. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:47 AM To: Dan Olson Cc: Paul Ivice ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: who should portray Joni? Yeah, I don't really mind if they lip synch as long as it's a good script and great acting ... Kilauren? I don't know about you but I can't see myself playing my mother in a movie ... that would freak me out!! :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Dan Olson [mailto:dgolson999@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:23 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: who should portray Joni? Note also that Jessica Lange lip-synched the Patsy Cline singing. So perhaps whoever plays Joni could do the same. Even when singers sing their own parts in movies, they lip-synch vocals actually done in a recording studio. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: yeah, I agree with Paul here ... if you think about the way the book played out, most of the story was about the start of their careers pre-30. I think they will go with actresses in their 20s ... it's easier to make them look older than make older actresses look younger ... I think going with talented newcomers would be great. I also agree that good acting is better than good musicianship ... Sissy Spacek was brilliant as Loretta Lynn (and I think she sang this role, too, right?) She didn't look exactly like Loretta either. Also, Jessica Lange did a great job with Patsy Cline, but didn't really look exactly like her. sue email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Paul Ivice [ivpaul42@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:52 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: who should portray Joni? I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a > search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some of > Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except > for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll > meet that credential? Isn't the story to be filmed about how these women broke into the music scene to become stars when they were in their 20s? Uma is 42, Charlize is 37. I know they are both great actors but expecting either of them to play a credible Joni, who was 24 (and looked and sounded younger) when she wrote Woodstock, is a huge stretch,when someone like 22-year-old Taylor Swift might be available. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #142 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe