From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #135 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 10 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 135 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Uma Thurman ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] Re: Uma Thurman - Reese Witherspoon [LC Stanley ] Re: Rita Wilson (Tom Hanks Wife) sings River on her new CD AM/FM [FMYFL@a] Re: Uma Thurman [LC Stanley ] Re: Uma Thurman - Reese Witherspoon ["Mark" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #134 [LC Stanley ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #134 [donald.barthel@kodak.com] Fwd: Baby Bloomers [Phyliss Ward ] Re: What does "mutts of the planet" mean? ["Mark" Subject: Uma Thurman I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some of Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll meet that credential? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:07:45 -0500 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Uma Thurman - Reese Witherspoon Thanks Mark. :-)))) On May 9, 2012, at 7:59 PM, "Mark" wrote: > For the sake of clarity, Laura's link is to a picture picture of Reese Witherspoon, not Uma Thurman. > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: LC Stanley > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:17 AM > To: shadows and light > Cc: ingrid lochrenberg ; joni@smoe.org ; Marianne Rizzo > Subject: Re: Uma Thurman > > She has the hair right: > > http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjI2NDI5OTYyOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzMwNDQzNw@@._V1_SX640.jpg > > > On May 9, 2012, at 12:00 PM, shadows and light wrote: > >> i like like the concept of joni's "mystique". >> >> lesli >> >> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:13 AM, ingrid lochrenberg wrote: >> >>> I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a >>> search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some of >>> Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except >>> for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll >>> meet that credential? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Rita Wilson (Tom Hanks Wife) sings River on her new CD AM/FM I'm listening to an interview right now on Sirius XM with Rita Wilson, and she was saying how much she has always loved Joni. Jimmy In a message dated 5/9/2012 8:11:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > Hi Laura - I was aware of it but didn't post about it. If I posted > everytime I discovered a new cover I'd be banned from the list! I suppose > this one is significant as she's somewhat of a celebrity. > > 274 'River's to date. > > Bob > > NP: Los Lobos, "This Bird's Gonna Fly" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:13:36 -0500 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Uma Thurman Or Reese Witherspoon On May 9, 2012, at 10:13 AM, "ingrid lochrenberg" wrote: > I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some of Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll meet that credential? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:59:21 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Uma Thurman - Reese Witherspoon For the sake of clarity, Laura's link is to a picture picture of Reese Witherspoon, not Uma Thurman. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: LC Stanley Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:17 AM To: shadows and light Cc: ingrid lochrenberg ; joni@smoe.org ; Marianne Rizzo Subject: Re: Uma Thurman She has the hair right: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjI2NDI5OTYyOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzMwNDQzNw@@._V1_SX640.jpg On May 9, 2012, at 12:00 PM, shadows and light wrote: > i like like the concept of joni's "mystique". > > lesli > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:13 AM, ingrid lochrenberg > wrote: > >> I strongly agree with Marianne that the search for an actress should be a >> search for someone with great acting abilities and who can capture some >> of >> Joni's mystique, and not centre around any musical ability rather except >> for the absolutely necessary, and I wonder how about Uma Thurman, who'll >> meet that credential? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:29:30 -0500 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #134 I remember a college days friend of mine from Minnesota saying in his accent: "No more Coyote please!" On May 9, 2012, at 9:35 AM, donald.barthel@kodak.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:31:34 -0700 > From: Mary Morris > Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #690 > > This is hysterical. I had a roommate in college who complained about my > incessant playing of Joni's records, over & over & over again - I was > listening to them like oxygen. LOL. Are all of us Joniphiles like this ? > > > > > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire > meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > > > Indeed! I used to let the record player (ha!) play the same Joni LP over > & over & over again all night long! Maybe I needed the oxygen? One > roommate was as obsessed as I, the other one night couldn't stand it any > longer and screamed for us to turn it off:}! > > Donald R. Barthel > FPEG RFS FORMULATION > Formulation Technician > 585-477-7110 x77110 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:35:47 -0400 From: donald.barthel@kodak.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #134 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:31:34 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #690 This is hysterical. I had a roommate in college who complained about my incessant playing of Joni's records, over & over & over again - I was listening to them like oxygen. LOL. Are all of us Joniphiles like this ? GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Indeed! I used to let the record player (ha!) play the same Joni LP over & over & over again all night long! Maybe I needed the oxygen? One roommate was as obsessed as I, the other one night couldn't stand it any longer and screamed for us to turn it off:}! Donald R. Barthel FPEG RFS FORMULATION Formulation Technician 585-477-7110 x77110 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:30:56 -0400 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Fwd: Baby Bloomers Nice thoughts from Burpee. Note it closes with a Joni quote... Phyliss Begin forwarded message: > From: "Burpee Gardens" > Date: May 9, 2012 8:00:00 AM EDT > To: psward@charter.net > Subject: Baby Bloomers > Reply-To: custserv@burpee.com > > Baby Bloomers > > We Baby Boomers may not be called the "greatest generationbbthat's you, Mom and Dad!bbut we certainly are the biggest. A veritable demographic juggernaut, the generation of Americans born between 1946 and 1964 is proceeding into post-middle age. > > On January 1st, 2011, the oldest Baby Boomers celebrated their 65th birthday. On every day since, and every day for the next 18 years, 10,000 Boomers will have turned age 65. By 2030, 18% of the country will be 65 or over, and by 2050 there will be more than 4 million centenarians. We'll break out the champagne. > > As the Sixties Generation turns 60, Boomers are set to reinvent how it looks and feels to be elderly in America. Since we are the first to grow up in an entirely branded world, it's only fitting that our collective old age get a makeover. > > The existing terms used to describe us are, well, bummers: senior citizens, the elderly, older Americans, golden agers. Just hearing them makes one's joints ache. They reflect the viewpoint of a clinician wielding pincers over a gurney. Who would proudly proclaim himself a "senior citizen"? > > Indeed, the very notion of "old" has gotten old. A study by the Pew Charitable Trust reveals that just a third of respondents 75 or older regard themselves as "old", while a third of adults 65 to 74 feel 10 to 19 years younger than their years, with a frisky sixth feeling 20 years younger. The post-young era is a time for happy reflection: a mere one percent of Pew's respondents say their lives turned out worse than expected. > > So what does this new old age hold for Boomers? What will we do in the coming third of our life? The aging Boomer can regard retirement not as an impending dark ages, but rather as a renaissance in the makingbthe perfect opportunity to renew, discover, and express oneself and find new meaning in this life business. > > This is not your fatherbs retirement. Our restless generation will continue its quest for new challenges and new discoveries. In our old age we seek meaning. Experience has taught us that life's greatest, most enduring pleasures are simple ones. By now we know immediate gratification isn't gratifying, and that material things do not add up to happiness or fulfillment. Older and wiser, we want what money can't buy. > > I suggest one way to fulfill these wants, as well as fill the emptiness retirement often presents. Since ancient times, those of humankind who could do so, retired to the country. But now, in this still-affluent age, the country can be found mere steps from your door. > > The garden provides the essential ingredients for post-youngsters to stay physically, socially and mentally active, curious and relatively stress-free. Plus, vegetable gardening not only saves money, but also introduces you to flavors and colors youbve neither tasted nor seen. Starting over, indeed. > > Unlike golf, tennis, bridge and travel, gardening offers a rich and varied narrativebone calling for planning, caring and resourcefulness. The home garden is a sacred realm, a world apart from the babble of media and hum of technology. We are linked to the sun, the earth and the elements. Caring for plants, we ourselves are nurtured and nourished. And, farther afield, community gardens enable post-youngsters to help build neighborhoods and create a healthful and sustainable legacy for decades to comeban age-old, old-age concern. > > In both private and public gardens, the generation that gave new meaning to bgreenb can find a continuing source of stimulation, serenity and fulfillment. Baby Boomers become Baby Bloomers. Joni Mitchell put it best: "We are stardust, we are golden, and we've got to get back to the garden. > > Give us your feedback. > Click Here > > > Burpee Guarantee B7 Give a Gift Card B7 Forward to a Friend > Request a Catalog B7 Unsubscribe B7 Privacy Policy B7 Have a Question? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:06:00 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: What does "mutts of the planet" mean? I think there are a lot of Joni's lyrics that I never stopped to think about what they might really mean. They left impressions in my head but I never bothered to analyze them too closely. Perhaps this is inane but for a long time I thought 'mutts of the planet' was a reference to the expression 'raining cats and dogs'. I never thought about the exclusion of the cats. In view of Joni's love of cats, it would seem odd that she would leave them out, eh? I just always figured that staring out through the rain at the boats in the harbor had gotten Charles to thinking about his life and doing some soul searching. I still think that is what Joni was expressing in the song. But now the possibility of a specific connection between 'the rain slammed hard as bars' and the line 'and shook me down for alibis' has intrigued me. Bars slammed implies being locked up in a jail cell in my mind and when I think about it in that context and put it with 'shook me down for alibis', what I come up with is an interrogation. In this case, a self interrogation. I was just looking at 'Beneath the Underdog' on the Amazon website, and the book begins as a question and answer session between Mingus and a psychologist. As someone else pointed out, Joni distilled some of this exchange (interrogation?) into the lyrics of 'God Must Be a Boogie Man'. Mingus is held to that chair, looking through 'bars' of rain that give an impression of imprisonment. He's locked up inside his own body (maybe like mutts in a dog pound kennel? - too much of a stretch probably) and interrogating himself about his past motives and actions. The next line of the song is 'I'm waiting for the keeper to release me' and it goes on from there. Held to that chair in the sky, staring through bars of rain at Manhattan and boats in the harbor, hearing Charlie Parker either on his phonograph or in his head, he is unable to do anything but reflect on his life while he waits for the end of it. I know there must be something more to 'mutts of the planet' but if it's in Charles Mingus' autobiography, Amazon hasn't made enough of it electronically accessible for me to find it. Searching for the word 'mutt' didn't bring up anything. Maybe somebody else knows? Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:39 AM To: Bill Branyon ; joni@smoe.org LIST Subject: What does "mutts of the planet" mean? Bill, I'll offer 2c worth on this, it being the name I chose for my Joni Mitchell tribute band. Grammatically, it seems that the raindrops are the mutts of the planet, which could make sense in the way they fall on everything and mingle and merge like mutts. But, as I believe has been discussed before here, Joni may have felt a kinship with Mingus at this time as she was dating Don Alias, and Mingus was married to a white woman. Possibly the mixed race relationships they both had produced the idea of mutts too. How that ties with shaking down for alibis has me head scratching though. If you Google Mutts of the Planet, there is no other reference but this lyric so it is not an expression that Joni borrowed; definitely it's her own creation. Bird is definitely Charlie Parker. When Joni met Mingus he was wheelchair bound in a New York apartment, hence "Manhattan holds me to a chair in the sky, with the Bird in my ears and boats in my eyes." He subsequently went down to spend his last days in Mexico, as the line in Goodbye Porkpie Hat says "Now Charlie's down in Mexico with the healers." Dave (whose Mutts band is now in its seventh year :-) On May 9, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Bill Branyon wrote: > Does anyone know what this phrase means from the Mingus album and the > song, > the Chair in the Sky: > The rain fell hard as bars > It took my by surprise > MUTTS > OF THE PLANET > and shook me down for alibis. > > What does "mutts of the planet" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #135 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe