From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #121 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 28 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 121 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: auto tune? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: autotune [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni [Dan Olson ] Cate Blanchett [Marianne Rizzo ] Ben Taylor [Sharon Watkins ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni [LC Stanley ] auto tune? [Art Toegemann ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #607 [Christopher Treacy ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni ["Mark" ] Re: auto tune? [Dave Blackburn ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #631 [David Gizara ] June 23rd Mutts of the Planet to play THOSL and Hejira [Dave Blackburn ] Peter Herbert's "Joni" ["kbhla" ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi Tom Hawking's Shit List [Catherine McKay ] RE: Taylor Swift as Joni [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: auto tune? [Art Toegemann ] Re: auto tune? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Peter Herbert's "Joni" [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #620 [Christopher Treacy ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:14:17 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: auto tune? From: "Art Toegemann" >Has it been applied to earlier > rerecordings? It would have to be done during the mixing process. Once an album is mixed, it's extremely rare to remix it (other than doing a "remix", that is, a new musical work using the original tracks, such as the Big Yellow Taxi remixes from the Friends soundtrack (1995) ). RR, who hates the robotic sound of autotune ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:27:10 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: autotune with even a Joni mention down the page. On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Art Toegemann wrote: > thanks for the many responses to my autotune concern. A link about recording, > if you're interested http://www.hometracked.com/ and apologies for the weird > format problems Art Toegemann > > > > >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:31:43 -0500 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni PS Any speculation on who will play James Taylor? How about Ben Taylor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Taylor_%28musician%29 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > yum > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Randy Remote wrote: > > I nominate Liv Tyler as Carly. > RR > > > Who's portraying Carly and Carole? > > Loren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:25:12 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Cate Blanchett absolutely! from Mark: I can see a potential Joni Mitchell in this photo: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2289867264/nm0000949 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:42:00 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Ben Taylor Ben would be great; he resembles his dad and can play and sing like him. My reservation is that he's too old. Also, would that be creepy for him to portray his dad getting it on with his screen "mother"? Regarding Carole, can Alison Pill even sing or play piano? For that matter, if Taylor is Joni, can Taylor play piano? Sharon Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Delicious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7pX9zn_CjA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:40:48 +0000 From: Art Toegemann Subject: auto tune? Does anyone know if JM, JM's producers used/uses autotune?Literally all of her recordings have excellent intonation; to say "perfect"would imply autotune, that feature of modern recording. Art Toegemann ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Treacy Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #607 Catherine, The differentiation you make pretty much summarizes it (although now--truly evil--instruments are often monitored with corrective software as well). It all falls under the heading of "digital signal processing," and it's one of the reasons I really started to lose my patience as a music critic... people don't play fair anymore. I won't co-sign for it. I love going to see Shawn Colvin - just a gal and her guitar, warts and all. She won't even use an electronic guitar tuner. Autotune was actually available in some capacity before 1997 - I interviewed a CEO at Antares and spoke with the gentleman who designed the software plug-in for pro-tools that Antares ended up buying. He told me the original idea was to use it in community settings - specifically his (or his wife's, can't remember now) church choir. He said he'd feel gutted to know he'd unleashed something that was detrimental to our culture. And I happen to think autotune is, in fact, damaging beyond our wildest imaginations. Kids who listen to mainstream pop (including Taylor Swift, who'd be NOTHING without her pitch correction and vocal production value) don't really know what the human voice sounds like anymore. So, when they hear someone like Neil Young, they can't get past how pitch-y his vocal style is to appreciate his artistry. Indie-pop fans are substantially better off because they thrive on a certain lo-fi scrappiness, but pitch control is still used there too, albeit more gingerly. Joni is involved enough in the production of her projects to make sure they stay pure, but a lot of "recording artists" are not nearly as involved in the production, mixing and mastering of their recordings and AT/Melodyne is applied without their knowledge or say-so. I don't have a big issue with someone using pitch correction to get over a really difficult hump in the studio. And I might even be willing to look the other way when someone uses it sparingly in a live setting, if they simply can't get around an important note and people have paid big bucks to hear them hit it (James Taylor and Carole King, for instance, applied some sparing pitch correction to their shows a couple summers ago). But this notion of entirely pitch-corrected shows and songs on the radio makes it impossible for me to enjoy. Even folks like Mary J Blige are suspect. People think she's a vocal powerhouse, but it's not so. Mariah Carey has done so much damage to her voice over the years, she couldn't tour without it, unless she's going to sync the whole show. Between vocal fills and pitch correction, Mariah probably sings about 25% of the material she does live. People will defend pitch correction and say it makes them a better singer because they can focus more on powerful delivery and less on coloring within the lines, but I would say the people genuinely benefiting from it are few and far between. For most, I think it breeds laziness. I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but I'm sure Joni used something called vari-speed from time to time. It was the pitch control of the 70's and basically involved slight increases and decreases in the speed of the vocal line to preserve the pitch when joined with the rest of the studio tracks. There was another tool used in the 80's, the name of which escapes me now. In summary, there's always been some studio 'cheating,' but nothing like what we're witnessing now. Sorry for the long rant - I saw this come up amid the Taylor Swift commentary and had to speak up. Cheers, Chris ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:04 PM Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #607 JMDL Digest Thursday, April 26 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 607 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: auto tune? (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: auto tune? (NJC) Maybe I don't really understand how Autotune works, but isn't the voice processed through something that "corrects" it, whereas a guitar tuner just helps you tune your guitar, but doesn't process it to keep it in tune? Seriously, I dunno. I don't have a guitar tuner. All I've got is a metronome that also plays an A and then I tune the strings relative to the A string and it works. Sometimes I go to one of those online guitar tuners. How much of a correction is it possible to make to someone's voice if the person is seriously offkey? Does it only work if the person is slightly flat or slightly sharp? And then there's the vocals on "Glee" where, to me, all of the people seem to have the same voice. I wouldn't be able to tell one from the other, and they all sound like something generated by a computer in any case. There's just something *wrong* about they way they sound, and it's not easy to put a finger on what it is. I'm not sure what's worse: the voices that all sound the same, or the ones that use Autotune (I'm assuming that's what it is) to deliberately distort their voices (and yet, they still all sound the same.) Didn't know about click tracks for drummers. I guess if it works like a metronome, it's OK for practice, but seems kind of wrong for live playing, although I'm not really sure why: I just think that, by the time they're ready to perform, they should have it down. >________________________________ > From: Dave Blackburn >To: Lori Fye >Cc: jmdl >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:46:24 PM >Subject: Re: auto tune? (NJC) > >At this point Auto-tuning on most pop vocals is akin to Photoshop on magazine models. ie the rule not the exception. > >Is it so different though from electronic tuners helping you tune your guitar accurately or click tracks helping drummers stay at a steady tempo? It's just a more advanced gadget. Maybe we've always jumped at the chance to "improve" our playing/singing... - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #607 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:08:16 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Oh, I like it! Then if you cast Cate Blanchett as Joni you'd have Arwen and Galadriel! Maybe Miranda Otto should play Carole! Seriously, I think Liv Tyler would make an excellent Carly Simon. But again, there's the question, can she sing? Mark in Middle Earth - -----Original Message----- From: Randy Remote Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:20 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara ; Loren Carter ; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni I nominate Liv Tyler as Carly. RR > Who's portraying Carly and Carole? > Loren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:06:25 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: auto tune? Catherine, Not a naive question at all. The software is aimed at the many many people who can't sing more than those who can. Obviously there are far more of the former than the latter, ie more sales potential to wannabe singers than actual singers. It's sort of the digital equivalent of those old "play-in-a-day" guitar books they used to sell in the sixties. On Apr 26, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > OK, call me naive, but is singing in tune really all that difficult? For all > the people out there who CAN sing, why would anyone waste their time on people > who can't? Just wondering. If it has to be someone who's good-looking, there > are also plenty of good-looking people out there who can also sing. So, waddup > widdat? > > Now, the muddy-sounding guitar things on her more recent work kind > of bug me, but maybe it's just me. > > > > >> ________________________________ >> > From: Michael Paz >> To: Art Toegemann > >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 > 11:58:05 AM >> Subject: Re: auto tune? >> >> I doubt it seriously. Autotune came > out in 1997 so the bulk of her work is >> before it was even released. She has > had the perfect pitch for alot longer >> than that. >> >> Best >> >> Paz >> >> >> Michael > Paz >> michael@thepazgroup.com >> >> Tour Manager >> Preservation Hall Jazz Band >> http://www.preservationhall.com >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Art > Toegemann wrote: >> >> Does anyone know if JM, JM's producers used/uses > autotune?Literally all of >> her >> recordings have excellent intonation; to say > "perfect"would imply autotune, >> that feature of modern recording. Art > Toegemann ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:10:31 -0700 From: David Gizara Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #631 I will be featuring this recording on this year's Joni Mitchell Jazz Summer Solstice Radio Special on June 21st on KLCC 89.7 FM Eugene, OR - - streamed world-wide @ www.klcc.org - along with Will Taylor's Joni Covers and as many more "outsideish" takes on Joni tunes as I can find, Olga Konkaova comes to mind and Kate Hammett-Vaughan as well. David Gizara Thursday Night Jazz Host like Thursday Night Jazz KLCC on facebook. On Apr 27, 2012, at 7:22 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Friday, April 27 2012 Volume 2012 : > Number 631 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Peter Herbert's "Joni" [FMYFL@aol.com > ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:16:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: FMYFL@aol.com > Subject: Re: Peter Herbert's "Joni" > > I listened to it once today Kakki. As Jonimitchell.com says it's a > unique > arrangement, I agree. I like the song choices, and Verena Pruka on > vocals, > but the CD will have to grow on me. I don't think it's nearly as > good as > David Lahm or Dave and Robyn's compositions, but I think it might > grow on me. > Anything Joni is great, and thanks Bob for tuning me in also! > > Happy Weekend everyone! > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 4/27/2012 8:53:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kbhla@fastmail.fm writes: > >> Listening to Peter Herbert's "Joni" which was just released. It is a >> symphonic jazz take with Wolfgang Mitterer, the Koehne Quartett and >> ena >> (Verena Pruka) on vocals on 12 of Joni's later compositions and it is >> stunning. Right up there in the realm of the greatest Joni >> interpretations >> of David Lahm and Dave and Robyn and Mutts of the Planet. A >> recording that >> elevates Joni's music to beautiful new heights. Thanks very much to >> Bob >> tuning me in! Wish I could provide some clips but here is some >> detail from >> Amazon > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #631 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:04:21 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: June 23rd Mutts of the Planet to play THOSL and Hejira If anyone's within range of Fallbrook California on June 23rd, Mutts of the Planet will be performing a concert featuring songs from the Hissing of Summer Lawns and Hejira albums in a gorgeous garden setting. Here's a picture: http://tinyurl.com/6sd7ve3 Visit www.robinadler.com/calendar.html for more info. A splendid concert it will be... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:04:33 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Night Ride Home temperature Wow, this is awesome Betsy. I love indepth nerdy research!!! I do it every day. :-) Excellent!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:59 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Night Ride Home temperature According to the Old Farmers Almanac and my lousy counting, it was indeed a lovely night. I got 70 degrees. The average low on 7/4 in Kauai is 71. Layering, as Joni did in the video, would be a smart move. Here's the formula: Number of chirps in 13 seconds +40= temperature (F) Here's a fascinating story on cricket evolution, specific to that area and the topic of chirping, for anyone interested: Tinyurl.com/2laqhh Betsy the Geek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi Tom Hawking's $hit List Imagine how pissed he'd be if he had to listen to over BYT covers? 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Right up there in the realm of the greatest Joni interpretations of David Lahm and Dave and Robyn and Mutts of the Planet. A recording that elevates Joni's music to beautiful new heights. Thanks very much to Bob tuning me in! Wish I could provide some clips but here is some detail from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007PUHAW4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8 &tag=jonimitc01-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007P UHAW4 Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:24:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi Tom Hawking's Shit List I enjoyed that! Of course I had to click on the link to find out what else he hates. I always love a bitchy article. I'm impressed that he knows where the inspiration for "BYT" came from, and I can't disagree with many of his choices: sometimes it's less the song itself than the fact that many of them have spawned a multitude of covers, many of which suck. I'm not sure if I'd care if I never heard "BYT" again either, whether it's sung by Joni or anyone else. >________________________________ > From: Happy The Man >To: joni list >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:30:51 PM >Subject: Big Yellow Taxi Tom Hawking's Shit List > >Tom Hawking (Atlantic Monthly) list Big Yellow Taxi #6 on his "10 Classic >Rock Songs We Never Want to Hear Again". > >http://flavorwire.com/283549/10-classic-rock-songs-we-never-want-to-hear-agai >n#6 > >He Says, "Its something of an indictment on the 60s and hippiedom in >general that the closest thing it ever mustered to an environmental >rallying cry was a discussion of those tiresome Hawaiians deciding to >develop their land, thus ruining Joni Mitchells holiday. And if Mitchells >oh-Im-so-carefree laugh at the end of the song hasnt started to grate on >you after about the hundredth listen, well, youre more even-tempered than >us, put it that way." > >I like that he attaches the song so you can listen to it. WTF > >Peace, Craig > >NP: JOni Mitchell - For Free (which came to mind during a bon iver song >last night) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:53:31 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: auto tune? Auto-tune, which is a software plugin by Antares, has existed since 1997. Much better (ie more musical) pitch correction is now available in a plugin called Melodyne Editor. Before 1997 you had to sing well to sound in tune. Joni almost always did. She has said her ear is particularly sensitive to pitch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-tune It is viewed as a blessing and a curse by the whole music industry and has been prohibited by Simon Cowell on the X-Factor, on which they were using it to make the show slicker for viewers. A lot of singers in the studio these days insist that their pitch be corrected, not wanting to sound less polished than the competition I suppose. Dave On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Art Toegemann wrote: > Does anyone know if JM, JM's producers used/uses autotune?Literally all of her > recordings have excellent intonation; to say "perfect"would imply autotune, > that feature of modern recording. Art Toegemann ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:36 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Taylor Swift as Joni Mark said: "Honestly, the whole idea of any actress playing Joni in any movie makes me uneasy." Yes, I agree. We are basically screwed because a normal actress who puts in a good performance in a well written and well acted movie will probably please most audiences. Our bar is way too high and we care too much ... as it should be!! HAHAHA! sue - -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:mark.travis@frontier.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:11 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; LC Stanley; Sharon Watkins Cc: Anita G; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Sue, I totally agree about 'Me and My Shadows'. Judy Davis was amazing and Tammy Blanchard was a real ringer for the young Judy Garland. I donbt really know anything about Alison Pill. I'll have to watch that movie again. It's too bad Sissy Spacek is too - shall we say, advanced in years? - to play Joni all the way through the time period. If she could do with the role of Joni Mitchell what she did with Loretta Lynn in 'Coal Miner's Daughter', now that I would pay some money to see! Honestly, the whole idea of any actress playing Joni in any movie makes me uneasy. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:56 AM To: LC Stanley ; Sharon Watkins Cc: Anita G ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Taylor Swift as Joni Hey Laura, I like the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Dave, I love Cate Blanchett, but it seems to me that the buzz around the movie is to cast younger actors. There has been no word either whether they would use young actors for 60s to early 70s, and older actors for the late 70s to 90s ... the only movie I've seen that nailed this kind of casting was Me and My Shadows, with Tammy Blanchard as young Judy Garland and the MAGNIFICENT Judy Davis as the older Judy. Interesting, Alison Pill played the young Lorna Luft ... If you haven't seen this movie, it's what I consider a great biopic of an amazing entertainer. Sue From: LC Stanley [mailto:sillyseabird7@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:35 AM To: Sharon Watkins; Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Anita G; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Sue asked: Any speculation on who will play James Taylor? Hi Sue, I don't have any real speculation but Anthony Kiedis has my vote to play James Taylor. Here's some info on him: http://www.biography.com/people/anthony-kiedis-380596 Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:43:04 +0000 From: Art Toegemann Subject: RE: auto tune? thank you Michael and DaveHas it been applied to earlier rerecordings?interesting google:Joni Mitchell auto tune tech history confirms her denial Art Toegemannhttp://www.youtube.com/arttoegemann > Subject: Re: auto tune? > From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:53:31 -0700 > CC: joni@smoe.org > To: arttoeg@hotmail.com > > Auto-tune, which is a software plugin by Antares, has existed since 1997. Much better (ie more musical) pitch correction is now available in a plugin called Melodyne Editor. Before 1997 you had to sing well to sound in tune. Joni almost always did. She has said her ear is particularly sensitive to pitch. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-tune > > It is viewed as a blessing and a curse by the whole music industry and has been prohibited by Simon Cowell on the X-Factor, on which they were using it to make the show slicker for viewers. A lot of singers in the studio these days insist that their pitch be corrected, not wanting to sound less polished than the competition I suppose. > > Dave > > > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Art Toegemann wrote: > > > Does anyone know if JM, JM's producers used/uses autotune?Literally all of her > > recordings have excellent intonation; to say "perfect"would imply autotune, > > that feature of modern recording. Art Toegemann ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:53:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: auto tune? OK, call me naive, but is singing in tune really all that difficult? For all the people out there who CAN sing, why would anyone waste their time on people who can't? Just wondering. If it has to be someone who's good-looking, there are also plenty of good-looking people out there who can also sing. So, waddup widdat? Now, the muddy-sounding guitar things on her more recent work kind of bug me, but maybe it's just me. >________________________________ > From: Michael Paz >To: Art Toegemann >Cc: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:58:05 AM >Subject: Re: auto tune? > >I doubt it seriously. Autotune came out in 1997 so the bulk of her work is >before it was even released. She has had the perfect pitch for alot longer >than that. > >Best > >Paz > > >Michael Paz >michael@thepazgroup.com > >Tour Manager >Preservation Hall Jazz Band >http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > >On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Art Toegemann wrote: > >Does anyone know if JM, JM's producers used/uses autotune?Literally all of >her >recordings have excellent intonation; to say "perfect"would imply autotune, >that feature of modern recording. Art Toegemann ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Peter Herbert's "Joni" I listened to it once today Kakki. As Jonimitchell.com says it's a unique arrangement, I agree. I like the song choices, and Verena Pruka on vocals, but the CD will have to grow on me. I don't think it's nearly as good as David Lahm or Dave and Robyn's compositions, but I think it might grow on me. Anything Joni is great, and thanks Bob for tuning me in also! Happy Weekend everyone! Jimmy In a message dated 4/27/2012 8:53:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbhla@fastmail.fm writes: > Listening to Peter Herbert's "Joni" which was just released. It is a > symphonic jazz take with Wolfgang Mitterer, the Koehne Quartett and ena > (Verena Pruka) on vocals on 12 of Joni's later compositions and it is > stunning. Right up there in the realm of the greatest Joni interpretations > of David Lahm and Dave and Robyn and Mutts of the Planet. A recording that > elevates Joni's music to beautiful new heights. Thanks very much to Bob > tuning me in! Wish I could provide some clips but here is some detail from > Amazon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Treacy Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #620 Randy - I failed to mention, pitch control now comes with a 'humanizing' feature to make it less robotic. Actually, I guess the plug-in has had that for a while, but it has gotten much more sophisticated. In hip-hop/urban pop, it's turned up shamelessly high because the kids don't care and many of them like the emotionless, robotic sound of it. For a while when I was reviewing tons of shows, I'd often hole-up by the soundboard and see what I could suss out... it becomes impossible to suspend disbelief and enjoy a show when you're doing that though, so I've stopped. Cheers, Chris ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:30 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #620 JMDL Digest Friday, April 27 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 620 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: auto tune? ["Randy Remote" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:14:17 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: auto tune? From: "Art Toegemann" >Has it been applied to earlier > rerecordings? It would have to be done during the mixing process. Once an album is mixed, it's extremely rare to remix it (other than doing a "remix", that is, a new musical work using the original tracks, such as the Big Yellow Taxi remixes from the Friends soundtrack (1995) ). RR, who hates the robotic sound of autotune - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #620 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #121 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe