From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #119 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 25 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 119 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" ["Mark" ] How Rock Festivals Helped Change America [Les Irvin ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #560 [Art Toegemann ] Re: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" [Dave Blackburn ] Fwd: Taylor Swift as Joni [Sharon Watkins ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #552 [Pamela ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:48:30 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" Great suggestion, Marianne! I think Clare Danes could do a bang up job of acting the part. Does she sing, though? Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Rizzo Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:17 AM To: joni list Subject: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" Did someone already mention this? http://i.ytimg.com/vi/v1Kq6kPoVgA/0.jpg I vote for Claire Danes take care all you joni hippy loves XOXO Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:10:39 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Sue, I totally agree about 'Me and My Shadows'. Judy Davis was amazing and Tammy Blanchard was a real ringer for the young Judy Garland. I donbt really know anything about Alison Pill. I'll have to watch that movie again. It's too bad Sissy Spacek is too - shall we say, advanced in years? - to play Joni all the way through the time period. If she could do with the role of Joni Mitchell what she did with Loretta Lynn in 'Coal Miner's Daughter', now that I would pay some money to see! Honestly, the whole idea of any actress playing Joni in any movie makes me uneasy. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:56 AM To: LC Stanley ; Sharon Watkins Cc: Anita G ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Taylor Swift as Joni Hey Laura, I like the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Dave, I love Cate Blanchett, but it seems to me that the buzz around the movie is to cast younger actors. There has been no word either whether they would use young actors for 60s to early 70s, and older actors for the late 70s to 90s ... the only movie I've seen that nailed this kind of casting was Me and My Shadows, with Tammy Blanchard as young Judy Garland and the MAGNIFICENT Judy Davis as the older Judy. Interesting, Alison Pill played the young Lorna Luft ... If you haven't seen this movie, it's what I consider a great biopic of an amazing entertainer. Sue From: LC Stanley [mailto:sillyseabird7@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:35 AM To: Sharon Watkins; Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Anita G; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Sue asked: Any speculation on who will play James Taylor? Hi Sue, I don't have any real speculation but Anthony Kiedis has my vote to play James Taylor. Here's some info on him: http://www.biography.com/people/anthony-kiedis-380596 Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:00:04 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: How Rock Festivals Helped Change America New article: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2497 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:00:14 +0000 From: Art Toegemann Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #560 Hi Bob and pleased to meet you,I have never seen Joni in concert: regrets. By "from thebeginning" I mean since a local college radio played tunesfrom Song to a Seagull upon original release.I don't know her medical history clinically; did her parentssmoke? We know her Dad lived to be 100; very cool.My intent is to preserve a gifted, extraordinary artist who is a personal favorite.I am an artist. I have facebook page, youtube page, myspacepage, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/arttoegemann I don't work hard enough at it, suffered hardships that are compelling distractions. Even have to write law in the form of legalcomplaints. I protested the US war with Vietnam. > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:14:23 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #560 > > > JMDL Digest Sunday, April 22 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 560 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: topic? [Bob Muller ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:12:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: topic? > > Hi Art - > > We're with ya, man. Congratulations to you for quitting the nasty > ciggies. Don't look for Joni for do it anytime though. > > Fan from the > beginning, eh? So talk to me, how many times have you seen her live, what's > your favorite album, songs, etc? Do you play an instrument yourself? You got > the floor my friend - spill. > > Welcome to the JMDL. > > Bob > > NP: Ski Lodge, "I > Would Die To Be" > > > ________________________________ > From: Art Toegemann > > To: joni@smoe.org; joni-digest@smoe.org > Sent: Saturday, > April 21, 2012 7:44 PM > Subject: topic? > > I'm new to this. My topic is: I wish > Joni would quit smoking. I quit years > ago and mycreativity increased. I saw > the interviews from Charlie Rose's Green > Room.I'm not sure it shows; I did > think she was older than she was. I don't > usually make such an effort. Art > Toegemannfan from the beginning > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #560 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:57:39 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" While every discussion of Taylor Swift begins with "she seems like a sweet enough girl" my feeling is that picking her to play Joni is largely economic. ie she will draw her many 12 year old fans to see the movie. Chops-wise she is not fit to hold Joni's ashtray, either vocally or on guitar. I teach guitar and many of my younger female students adore TS so I've listened to a lot of her records, on which the vocals are 100% auto-tuned, and the flimsy songs are carried entirely by slick Nashville production. And then there is the big matter of intellectual gravitas. Although it's true that "I was born to take the highway" didn't reveal much of that on "Let's Sing Out", the fact that she wrote Both Sides Now at age 23 or 24 a year or so later shows a brilliant young song crafter producing superb work without any technology to prop it up. (We may think of BSN as "the franchise" and that it's been overdone, but that is only because so many vocalists recognize it as a brilliant song and want to ride on its coat tails.) You know who I think would be able to play a marvelous Joni Mitchell is Cate Blanchett. I don't know if she can play guitar but if anyone saw "Benjamin Button" we know she sings beautifully and her acting ability is top of the line. She can look as young as the role demands, do any accent or mannerism and most importantly carry the unseen aspects of a person's character in her portrayal. Joni would, I imagine, deride the whole movie project, as she did with the book "Girls Like Us", refusing to be interviewed for it. If Taylor Swift is the actress to portray her, you know this will cement every feeling about the ersatz nature of Hollywood and the music biz she's ever expressed. Cate Blanchett, in my opinion, she would admire and respect- hell, she might even go see the movie and smoke outside till her bit came on! Dave (longest post in a while...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:04:50 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Hi Sue and Anita, I have lots of pros and cons as well regarding Taylor. There is no doubt that she's a cute, talented girl, but at this stage she still seems like a lightweight compared to Joni. However, she's been at this professionally since about 16 or 17. She is very driven; if I'm not mistaken, her parents relocated to Nashville when Taylor was a young teen...Taylor was that determined to break into the music biz. I think she's also self- taught on guitar, albeit in standard tuning, and writes her own songs (many of which I actually like...just as I love a gourmet meal, but still enjoy kicking back with fast food). My theory is that Taylor is still evolving musically. Look at how Joni evolved, or even the Beatles! Not necessarily placing Taylor among their ranks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I have been trying to weigh the pros and cons of Taylor Swift as Joni - > > PROS: > > She can actually sing and play guitar > She can look like Joni ... although Joni's beauty at 25 was intensified by her genius IMHO (it's not so much that She was beautiful, but when she was on stage her talent socked you in the jaw) > John Sayles is writing the script > > CONS > There is no proof that she can act > There is no proof she can change a drawl into a Canadian accent > Even though she plays guitar can she play guitar like Joni? It's a different beast altogether (cue Aimee Mann) > > Hmmm I think any actress is going to face multiple challenges. Also I think the main challenge will be to give these three women the credit they deserve and not have it disintegrate into tabloid. > > Sue > > PS Any speculation on who will play James Taylor? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:27 AM > To: Sharon Watkins > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni > > I have been reading the discussions about Taylor Swift and thought it about time I checked her out. I am ashamed to say I had never heard of her. However, I watched a short clip of singing acoustically 'Eyes Wide Open' from New Zealand and she was telling a story about the song, sang well in tune, sat down with a guitar which she strummed with good timing (although in standard tuning). She has great cheek bones. These things she has in common. > > It also struck me that she is very young (22 I think) with a substantial body of work behind her and is clearly hugely popular. As she has written a lot of songs, who knows, there may be something else in there. And, of course, we all remember the 'Let's Sing Out' > programmes of Joni's early days where you would be hard pushed to know if Joni or Taylor had the greatest gift in applying eye liner! > > I think I'm with you on this Sharon, she may open up a new generation to Joni's music and, who knows, may have depths that we may not yet have seen. I really hope so! > Anita > > On 21/04/2012, Sharon Watkins wrote: >> At first I hated the idea of Taylor portraying Joni. I'm not concerned >> about her acting, but I'm still not sure how her thin voice can ever >> duplicate Joni's range. However, Taylor is a beautiful girl, and >> perhaps she is just the one to introduce Joni to the current >> generation and gain a new following for Joni's amazing music. If Taylor can accomplish this, I'm all for it! >> Sharon >> >> Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:22:27 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Fwd: Taylor Swift as Joni Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Sharon Watkins > Date: April 24, 2012 5:04:50 PM CDT > To: Susan Tierney McNamara > Cc: Anita G , "joni@smoe.org" > Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni > > Hi Sue and Anita, > I have lots of pros and cons as well regarding Taylor. There is no doubt that she's a cute, talented girl, but at this stage she still seems like a lightweight compared to Joni. > However, she's been at this professionally since about 16 or 17. She is very driven; if I'm not mistaken, her parents relocated to Nashville when Taylor was a young teen...Taylor was that determined to break into the music biz. I think she's also self- taught on guitar, albeit in standard tuning, and writes her own songs (many of which I actually like...just as I love a gourmet meal, but still enjoy kicking back with fast food). > My theory is that Taylor is still evolving musically. Look at how Joni evolved, or even the Beatles! Not necessarily placing Taylor among their ranks > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > >> I have been trying to weigh the pros and cons of Taylor Swift as Joni - >> >> PROS: >> >> She can actually sing and play guitar >> She can look like Joni ... although Joni's beauty at 25 was intensified by her genius IMHO (it's not so much that She was beautiful, but when she was on stage her talent socked you in the jaw) >> John Sayles is writing the script >> >> CONS >> There is no proof that she can act >> There is no proof she can change a drawl into a Canadian accent >> Even though she plays guitar can she play guitar like Joni? It's a different beast altogether (cue Aimee Mann) >> >> Hmmm I think any actress is going to face multiple challenges. Also I think the main challenge will be to give these three women the credit they deserve and not have it disintegrate into tabloid. >> >> Sue >> >> PS Any speculation on who will play James Taylor? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G >> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:27 AM >> To: Sharon Watkins >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni >> >> I have been reading the discussions about Taylor Swift and thought it about time I checked her out. I am ashamed to say I had never heard of her. However, I watched a short clip of singing acoustically 'Eyes Wide Open' from New Zealand and she was telling a story about the song, sang well in tune, sat down with a guitar which she strummed with good timing (although in standard tuning). She has great cheek bones. These things she has in common. >> >> It also struck me that she is very young (22 I think) with a substantial body of work behind her and is clearly hugely popular. As she has written a lot of songs, who knows, there may be something else in there. And, of course, we all remember the 'Let's Sing Out' >> programmes of Joni's early days where you would be hard pushed to know if Joni or Taylor had the greatest gift in applying eye liner! >> >> I think I'm with you on this Sharon, she may open up a new generation to Joni's music and, who knows, may have depths that we may not yet have seen. I really hope so! >> Anita >> >> On 21/04/2012, Sharon Watkins wrote: >>> At first I hated the idea of Taylor portraying Joni. I'm not concerned >>> about her acting, but I'm still not sure how her thin voice can ever >>> duplicate Joni's range. However, Taylor is a beautiful girl, and >>> perhaps she is just the one to introduce Joni to the current >>> generation and gain a new following for Joni's amazing music. If Taylor can accomplish this, I'm all for it! >>> Sharon >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:40:10 +0200 From: Pamela Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #552 My dear jonifriends... Joni in Milan?! I can't believe it !!!! I'm going to discover more and make you know!!!! Inviato da iPad Il giorno 22/apr/2012, alle ore 16:11, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) ha scritto: > > JMDL Digest Sunday, April 22 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 552 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Joni concert in Milan? [Bob Muller ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:08:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Joni concert in Milan? > > http://tinyurl.com/72g2arq > > According to Monica - "There is indeed an > announcement for a Joni concert during the Milano Arena Music 2012 (formerly > Milan Jazzin Festival) to be held between 3 and 30 July in Milan!" > > Amelia, > could be a false alarm - Monica and others who can read Italian, keep us > posted. > Bob > > NP: The B-52's, "Follow Your Bliss" > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #552 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #119 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe