From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #116 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 25 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 116 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Taylor Swift as Joni [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #115 [Melissa Gibbs ] song named joni (not sure if jc or not?) ["rong g" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #564 [Mary Morris ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni [Sharon Watkins ] The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" [Michael Sentance ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #115 [Catherine McKay ] Re: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" ["Mark" Subject: RE: Taylor Swift as Joni I have been trying to weigh the pros and cons of Taylor Swift as Joni - PROS: She can actually sing and play guitar She can look like Joni ... although Joni's beauty at 25 was intensified by her genius IMHO (it's not so much that She was beautiful, but when she was on stage her talent socked you in the jaw) John Sayles is writing the script CONS There is no proof that she can act There is no proof she can change a drawl into a Canadian accent Even though she plays guitar can she play guitar like Joni? It's a different beast altogether (cue Aimee Mann) Hmmm I think any actress is going to face multiple challenges. Also I think the main challenge will be to give these three women the credit they deserve and not have it disintegrate into tabloid. Sue PS Any speculation on who will play James Taylor? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:27 AM To: Sharon Watkins Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni I have been reading the discussions about Taylor Swift and thought it about time I checked her out. I am ashamed to say I had never heard of her. However, I watched a short clip of singing acoustically 'Eyes Wide Open' from New Zealand and she was telling a story about the song, sang well in tune, sat down with a guitar which she strummed with good timing (although in standard tuning). She has great cheek bones. These things she has in common. It also struck me that she is very young (22 I think) with a substantial body of work behind her and is clearly hugely popular. As she has written a lot of songs, who knows, there may be something else in there. And, of course, we all remember the 'Let's Sing Out' programmes of Joni's early days where you would be hard pushed to know if Joni or Taylor had the greatest gift in applying eye liner! I think I'm with you on this Sharon, she may open up a new generation to Joni's music and, who knows, may have depths that we may not yet have seen. I really hope so! Anita On 21/04/2012, Sharon Watkins wrote: > At first I hated the idea of Taylor portraying Joni. I'm not concerned > about her acting, but I'm still not sure how her thin voice can ever > duplicate Joni's range. However, Taylor is a beautiful girl, and > perhaps she is just the one to introduce Joni to the current > generation and gain a new following for Joni's amazing music. If Taylor can accomplish this, I'm all for it! > Sharon > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:07:07 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #115 Hi Catherine That link doesn't work. Can you re-post? Melissa in Sydney - on ANZAC Day (probably known as Veterans' Day in other countries - the ANZAC stands for Australia and New Zealand Army Corps) NP: Kate Miller-Heidke - The Devil Wears A Suit From: onlyJMDL Digest Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:00:08 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #115 onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 24 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 115 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #112 [Catherine McKay ] RE: Joni concert in Milan? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #112 So, maybe it was a compliment, then! I knew the painting you mentioned before even going to the page, but Joni's comments about it are very interesting and illuminating and, in some cases, humorous: "I have no depth perception. Well (laughs)? I'm one-eyed (laughs)." Joni-fans, the article is well worth reading because it talks about Joni's painting technique but also gives some background on her performance in Japan and on Wayne Shorter's wife Ana, who was killed in a plane crash. Joni's other painting, in the same park, that pictures Ana, is here: http://jonimitchell.com/paintings/view.cfm?id=340&recs=2#viewing I watched the stars chuck down their spears And a plane went blinking by And I thought of Anna Wild and dear* Like fireworks in the sky "Taming the Tiger" * not deer. > ________________________________ > From: Robert Sartorius > To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org > Cc: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; kellerfrau@gmx.de > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28:41 AM > Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #112 > > Catherine commented (re Variety snippet): > > "Deer fetus"? Wow, that's harsh. I have my doubts about Taylor Swift, but am > willing to keep an open mind about it. I think Mia W would be good though - > we know she can act, but can she sing?" > > Now me. > > I am on record that I am rooting for Swift's casting (for several reasons - > no need to repeat now). Apropos of the deer fetus comment, though, I would > suggest that Joni might not object. I refer you to Join's painting "In the > Park of the Golden Buddha, 1995". > > http://jonimitchell.com/paintings/view.cfm?id=235 > > Bobsart - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:54:22 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni concert in Milan? Oh man, maybe this year I will fulfill my dream to go to Italy!!! :-) - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:09 AM To: JMDL Subject: Joni concert in Milan? http://tinyurl.com/72g2arq According to Monica - "There is indeed an announcement for a Joni concert during the Milano Arena Music 2012 (formerly Milan Jazzin Festival) to be held between 3 and 30 July in Milan!" Amelia, could be a false alarm - Monica and others who can read Italian, keep us posted. Bob NP: The B-52's, "Follow Your Bliss" - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #115 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:42:50 +0200 From: "rong g" Subject: song named joni (not sure if jc or not?) apparently one of south africa's leading guitarists (who I had never heard of until this morning!!!!) has included a song called "joni" on his latest album... not sure, but how many jonis can there be inspiring guitarists??? anyway - he is really, really good, & his albums are for sale in your choice of downloads & prices. (literally - you pay whatever you choose!?!?!) well worth taking a listen if you are into good guitar music... http://newcape.bandcamp.com/album/the-sound-of-water how good is it? Well I have put off listening to my new vienna teng which arrived this morning. So pretty damn good ron np - Derek gripper - dance of the heads ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:42:26 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #564 I took the "fetal deer" comment to mean "not fully developed". I thought it was a bit harsh too, but it certainly drew us a picture. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:00:08 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #564 > > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 24 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 564 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Subject: Re: article: "Taylor Swift to Potentially Ruin Another Thing" njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:09:00 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Subject: Re: article: "Taylor Swift to Potentially Ruin Another Thing" njc > > I think it is an unintentional compliment. What's more beautiful and > gentle than a fawn? I guess a fetal deer. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > > >From: Catherine McKay > >"Deer fetus"? Wow, that's harsh. I have my doubts about Taylor Swift, > but am willing to keep an open mind about it.> > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #564 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:17:31 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni ...just think she has lots of room to mature musically. Who knows? In the meanwhile, she seems to have the most draw at the box office, the most potential to bring Joni new fans. She's a smart girl and I think she would be a quick study. Surely, realizing the box office potential, the producers will invest in a good speech coach and someone to teach Taylor to play in open tuning. I'm looking forward to what happens! Hope you all are well! Sharon Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I have been trying to weigh the pros and cons of Taylor Swift as Joni - > > PROS: > > She can actually sing and play guitar > She can look like Joni ... although Joni's beauty at 25 was intensified by her genius IMHO (it's not so much that She was beautiful, but when she was on stage her talent socked you in the jaw) > John Sayles is writing the script > > CONS > There is no proof that she can act > There is no proof she can change a drawl into a Canadian accent > Even though she plays guitar can she play guitar like Joni? It's a different beast altogether (cue Aimee Mann) > > Hmmm I think any actress is going to face multiple challenges. Also I think the main challenge will be to give these three women the credit they deserve and not have it disintegrate into tabloid. > > Sue > > PS Any speculation on who will play James Taylor? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:27 AM > To: Sharon Watkins > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni > > I have been reading the discussions about Taylor Swift and thought it about time I checked her out. I am ashamed to say I had never heard of her. However, I watched a short clip of singing acoustically 'Eyes Wide Open' from New Zealand and she was telling a story about the song, sang well in tune, sat down with a guitar which she strummed with good timing (although in standard tuning). She has great cheek bones. These things she has in common. > > It also struck me that she is very young (22 I think) with a substantial body of work behind her and is clearly hugely popular. As she has written a lot of songs, who knows, there may be something else in there. And, of course, we all remember the 'Let's Sing Out' > programmes of Joni's early days where you would be hard pushed to know if Joni or Taylor had the greatest gift in applying eye liner! > > I think I'm with you on this Sharon, she may open up a new generation to Joni's music and, who knows, may have depths that we may not yet have seen. I really hope so! > Anita > > On 21/04/2012, Sharon Watkins wrote: >> At first I hated the idea of Taylor portraying Joni. I'm not concerned >> about her acting, but I'm still not sure how her thin voice can ever >> duplicate Joni's range. However, Taylor is a beautiful girl, and >> perhaps she is just the one to introduce Joni to the current >> generation and gain a new following for Joni's amazing music. If Taylor can accomplish this, I'm all for it! >> Sharon >> >> Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:21:25 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" I first noted several weeks ago the gossip news about Taylor Swift being mentioned for the role of Joni in the adaptation of "Girls Like Us". Variety and Rolling Stone, among others, have confirmed the discussion. I may be alone in this, but I like some of Swift's work. She is, after all, twenty-two years old. While I think she lacks the intellectual curiosity and the companionship of people like Cohen, Crosby and others to nurture and inspire her, I think Taylor Swift might be able to pull off a credible portrayal of the Mitchell through the mid-70s. After all, when Joni was 22, it was 1965. She had given birth, met Chuck Mitchell and played small venues. Would we judge her work by what we had seen by then? While the other roles aren't cast yet, it has been widely discussed that Allison Pill might play Carole King. While I would not have thought of her as King, this photo suggests what others see: http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/alison-pill/photos/139120/145631 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #112 So, maybe it was a compliment, then! I knew the painting you mentioned before even going to the page, but Joni's comments about it are very interesting and illuminating and, in some cases, humorous: "I have no depth perception. Well (laughs)? I'm one-eyed (laughs)." Joni-fans, the article is well worth reading because it talks about Joni's painting technique but also gives some background on her performance in Japan and on Wayne Shorter's wife Ana, who was killed in a plane crash. Joni's other painting, in the same park, that pictures Ana, is here: http://jonimitchell.com/paintings/view.cfm?id=340&recs=2#viewing I watched the stars chuck down their spears And a plane went blinking by And I thought of Anna Wild and dear* Like fireworks in the sky "Taming the Tiger" * not deer. >________________________________ > From: Robert Sartorius >To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org >Cc: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; kellerfrau@gmx.de >Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:28:41 AM >Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #112 > >Catherine commented (re Variety snippet): > >"Deer fetus"? Wow, that's harsh. I have my doubts about Taylor Swift, but am >willing to keep an open mind about it. I think Mia W would be good though - >we know she can act, but can she sing?" > >Now me. > >I am on record that I am rooting for Swift's casting (for several reasons - >no need to repeat now). Apropos of the deer fetus comment, though, I would >suggest that Joni might not object. I refer you to Join's painting "In the >Park of the Golden Buddha, 1995". > >http://jonimitchell.com/paintings/view.cfm?id=235 > >Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #115 Melissa, I tried the link and it did work for me, so am not sure what the problem is, unless maybe the link got truncated when you got it. Let's hope this goes on one line only and isn't cut off: http://jonimitchell.com/paintings/view.cfm?id=340&recs=2#viewing or try the tiny url version: http://tinyurl.com/75y65bn >________________________________ > From: Melissa Gibbs >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:07:07 PM >Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #115 > >Hi Catherine > >That link doesn't work. Can you re-post? > >... > >Joni-fans, the article is well worth reading because it talks about Joni's >painting technique but also gives some background on her performance in >Japan and on Wayne Shorter's wife Ana, who was killed in a plane crash. >Joni's other painting, in the same park, that pictures Ana, is here: >http://jonimitchell.com/paintings/view.cfm?id=340&recs=2#viewing > >I watched the stars chuck down their spears >And a plane went blinking by >And I thought of Anna >Wild and dear >Like fireworks in the sky > "Taming the Tiger" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:16:46 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:57 PM To: LIST Subject: Re: The casting of Joni in "Girls Like Us" ..... You know who I think would be able to play a marvelous Joni Mitchell is Cate Blanchett. I don't know if she can play guitar but if anyone saw "Benjamin Button" we know she sings beautifully and her acting ability is top of the line. She can look as young as the role demands, do any accent or mannerism and most importantly carry the unseen aspects of a person's character in her portrayal. Joni would, I imagine, deride the whole movie project, as she did with the book "Girls Like Us", refusing to be interviewed for it. If Taylor Swift is the actress to portray her, you know this will cement every feeling about the ersatz nature of Hollywood and the music biz she's ever expressed. Cate Blanchett, in my opinion, she would admire and respect- hell, she might even go see the movie and smoke outside till her bit came on! Dave (longest post in a while...) Always good to see a piece of your writing, Dave. I think I may have suggested at one time that Cate Blanchett could rise to the challenge of playing Joni in a movie. Anyone who could nail the great Katharine Hepburn as she did in 'The Aviator' could take on Joni Mitchell and give the performance credibility and depth. I'm not so sure that casting a young, mainstream singer is going to cause a new audience of 20-somethings to turn on to Joni's music, no matter how popular Taylor Swift may be. It might inspire some of those who bought Joni's records when her career started to revisit those recordings and maybe put a toe into her post 'Court and Spark' work. But, at the risk of sounding elitist or, heaven forbid, a snob, (or like Joni, perhaps) I think most of the Taylor Swift followers would scratch their heads and say 'huh?' if they listened to a Joni Mitchell album. There might be a surge in sales of 'Blue', but I just don't see Taylor Swift pulling a huge crowd of followers on to the Joni Mitchell bandwagon. And as far as Joni's work from 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' and beyond is concerned, I don't imagine the people who would buy Taylor Swift's music would get into it all. I also agree that, although 'Both Sides Now' has suffered from overexposure, it is an amazing song coming from someone as young as Joni was when she wrote it. How many new recording artists have the writing skill to produce a debut like 'Song To a Seagull'? That is still one of my favorite records by anybody. To me, the genius was evident right from the start. So many musicians have recognized Joni's brilliance. My feeling is that Joni Mitchell is going to remain an open secret, truly loved by fellow musicians and her core fan-base that really appreciate her work while the rest of the music industry pays lip-service to the 'legendary folk-singer'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #116 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe