From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #411 [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods [Kevin Foehr ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #410 [Rozanne Gates ] Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods [Ken ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:29:31 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #411 I am a true devotee of Turbulent Indigo because I really feel that this album shows Joni as a master songwriter and guitarist. I might even go out on a limb and say that I rank her works as 1) TI 2)Hejira 3) Blue ... although the top 3 could change on any given day, even crowd in a couple of front runners like Court & Spark and Clouds ... All opinions are valid in my opinion! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gary Hanick Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:52 PM To: joni@smoe.org; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #411 Hi Kevin -- I agree, but what about "Hejira"? That has to rank up there, too. "HOSL" is also brilliant. "Sweet Bird" may be the only song on "HOSL" that has the emotional depth you are talking about. But, still....... "Hejira" has it all. I'd go along with THIS being the last GREAT Joni album, although a lot of the ones that follow were more than good, especially "Turbulent Indigo". - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:33 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #411 JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 14 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 411 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods [Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods Greetings, New subscriber; might as well jump in on this thread. Can't help but wonder how many times over the years this topic has been discussed. And how many times Joni's music will be discussed in the next, say, 100 years... both are big #s I would think. To me there is only one period that matters: The Blue period. And I'll throw FTR in toor. For me it all ended with C&S, the last great album. "The Big Three" I call them. I fell in love with Blue and Joni simultaneously in 1971. Any woman who could write and sing with such passion and sensitivity and intelligence was the woman for me. I spent the next 25 years or so looking for a Joni of my own. It took me that long to realize there are no other Jonies. Blue is my fave album of all time, and Joni is my fave lyricist of all time. I'll give Dylan a silver and Natalie Merchant and Morrissey bronzes. Michael Stipe gets an honorable mention. But I'm not a music history student, so I'm sure I'm ignorant of some others I would rate highly too. (Any recommendations?) I like her pre-Blue albums a lot, at least many of the songs. But nothing comes close to the power Blue has over me. I still tear up hearing such songs as A Case of You, The Last ... Richard, and even a relatively happy song like California. It's not the sadness; its just the tenderness and the beauty and the specialness of the songs and performances. And that is after 40 years of listening to them! (Although I must admit, I didn't listen constantly; there were periods, perhaps even years when I drifted away from her music, and most other music too. But Blue is never forgotten and I always inevitably return to it. BTW, imo, River is the greatest song ever. It has grown on me over the decades to now occupy my top spot. Comments? Complaints? Hit me with your best shot. I can handle it, maybe... Kevin - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #411 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:29:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods Greetings, New subscriber; might as well jump in on this thread. Can't help but wonder how many times over the years this topic has been discussed. And how many times Joni's music will be discussed in the next, say, 100 years... both are big #s I would think. To me there is only one period that matters: The Blue period. And I'll throw FTR in toor. For me it all ended with C&S, the last great album. "The Big Three" I call them. I fell in love with Blue and Joni simultaneously in 1971. Any woman who could write and sing with such passion and sensitivity and intelligence was the woman for me. I spent the next 25 years or so looking for a Joni of my own. It took me that long to realize there are no other Jonies. Blue is my fave album of all time, and Joni is my fave lyricist of all time. I'll give Dylan a silver and Natalie Merchant and Morrissey bronzes. Michael Stipe gets an honorable mention. But I'm not a music history student, so I'm sure I'm ignorant of some others I would rate highly too. (Any recommendations?) I like her pre-Blue albums a lot, at least many of the songs. But nothing comes close to the power Blue has over me. I still tear up hearing such songs as A Case of You, The Last ... Richard, and even a relatively happy song like California. It's not the sadness; its just the tenderness and the beauty and the specialness of the songs and performances. And that is after 40 years of listening to them! (Although I must admit, I didn't listen constantly; there were periods, perhaps even years when I drifted away from her music, and most other music too. But Blue is never forgotten and I always inevitably return to it. BTW, imo, River is the greatest song ever. It has grown on me over the decades to now occupy my top spot. Comments? Complaints? Hit me with your best shot. I can handle it, maybe... Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:25:14 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: That Janet Jackson Song - You don't Know What You've Got Was it a shampoo for nits ...? On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:16 AM, wrote: > I was listening to the radio in the car today when a disc jockey came on > and said, "It's like that Janet Jackson song, 'You Don't Know What You've > Got 'Till It's Gone'.........." > and went on to relate it to some shampoo advertisement. > > I was so disappointed to hear a disc jockey credit those words to Janet > with no mention of Joni. It was like a bee sting. Ouch! > > Just had to vent. > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:10:56 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Leonard Cohen and Joni -Heck of a Guys Blog Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 10:31:29 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Leonard Cohen & JoniIf you like Leonard Cohen - and Joni Mitchell - - you may have been read 1 Heck of a Guy's blog . He has posted several times about Joni and the relationship between Cohen and Mitchell. He's recently updated an extensive post about it and you may read it here: http://1heckofaguy.com/2007/03/31/leonard-cohen-and-joni-mitchell-just-one-of-those-things/ Hey Michael, Thanks for that link. That was an excellent read. I loved these comments by Joni in regards to Leonards work: 1. My lyrics are influenced by Leonard. After we met at Newport last year (1967) we saw a lot of each other. Some of Leonardbs religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly Catholic part of Canada, seems to have rubbed off on me too. Leonard didnbt really explore music. Hebs a word man first. Leonardbs economical, he never wastes a word. I can go through Leonardbs work and itbs like silk. and: 2. I think Ibm rather Cohen influenced. I wrote bMarcieb and afterwards thought that it wouldnbt have happened if it hadnbt been for bSuzanne. and: 3. Leonard was an early influence. I remember thinking when I heard his songs for the first time that I was not worldly. My work seemed very young and naive in comparison. At the time I met him I was around 24, around the time of my first record. But thematically I wanted to be broader than he was. In many ways Leonard was a boudoir poet. and this quote attributed to Judy Collins: 4. Joni and Leonard met for the first time at that concert [the Newport afternoon concert] and began a love affair. Still, everyone was a little off-center. I remember being in bed with a man I did not know who was coming down from an acid trip and wanted me to bcomfort him,b no sex involved. Leonard sat in the room with us, singing bThe Stranger Songb softly to himself, not paying any attention at all to what was happening on the bed. The Chelsea Hotel indeed! I trusted Leonard completely in very intimate situations and although we never had an intimate exchange of that kind ourselves, he was a constant ally I could take into battle with no fear of betrayal. Joni wrote bThat Song About The Midwayb about Leonard, or so she says. Sounds right: the festival, the guy, the jewel in the ear. ================= Sheila Weller, Michelle Mercer, Brian Hinton, Ellen Sanders, Ira B. Nadel and others are the source of much of the material in this blog highlighting the Leonard Cohen / Joni Mitchell relationship. My Question for anyone on the list that have read these books is how credible in your opinion are these accounts by Weller, Mercer and others in their books citing interviews from conversations they had with various sources to their books? I'd like to hear some feedback on this topic. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:52:10 -0700 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #411 Hi Kevin -- I agree, but what about "Hejira"? That has to rank up there, too. "HOSL" is also brilliant. "Sweet Bird" may be the only song on "HOSL" that has the emotional depth you are talking about. But, still....... "Hejira" has it all. I'd go along with THIS being the last GREAT Joni album, although a lot of the ones that follow were more than good, especially "Turbulent Indigo". - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:33 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2012 #411 JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 14 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 411 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods [Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods Greetings, New subscriber; might as well jump in on this thread. Can't help but wonder how many times over the years this topic has been discussed. And how many times Joni's music will be discussed in the next, say, 100 years... both are big #s I would think. To me there is only one period that matters: The Blue period. And I'll throw FTR in toor. For me it all ended with C&S, the last great album. "The Big Three" I call them. I fell in love with Blue and Joni simultaneously in 1971. Any woman who could write and sing with such passion and sensitivity and intelligence was the woman for me. I spent the next 25 years or so looking for a Joni of my own. It took me that long to realize there are no other Jonies. Blue is my fave album of all time, and Joni is my fave lyricist of all time. I'll give Dylan a silver and Natalie Merchant and Morrissey bronzes. Michael Stipe gets an honorable mention. But I'm not a music history student, so I'm sure I'm ignorant of some others I would rate highly too. (Any recommendations?) I like her pre-Blue albums a lot, at least many of the songs. But nothing comes close to the power Blue has over me. I still tear up hearing such songs as A Case of You, The Last ... Richard, and even a relatively happy song like California. It's not the sadness; its just the tenderness and the beauty and the specialness of the songs and performances. And that is after 40 years of listening to them! (Although I must admit, I didn't listen constantly; there were periods, perhaps even years when I drifted away from her music, and most other music too. But Blue is never forgotten and I always inevitably return to it. BTW, imo, River is the greatest song ever. It has grown on me over the decades to now occupy my top spot. Comments? Complaints? Hit me with your best shot. I can handle it, maybe... Kevin - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2012 #411 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:52:07 -0400 From: Rozanne Gates Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #410 I have to chime in here because Suzanne Sheridan has been performing a masterful tribute concert to Joni and Leonard for the past few years - in Australia, Canada, and the Northeast (mostly Connecticut). The next opportunity to hear the music of Joni and Leonard together is on March 31 in Ridgefield, CT at Bernards. Suzanne connects the dots between their music and their love life. http://youtu.be/ScUn3Pz8XDQ Rozanne Gates on 3/14/12 4:26 PM, JMDL Digest at owner-joni-digest@smoe.org wrote: > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 14 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 410 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Leonard Cohen and Joni -Heck of a Guys Blog [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:10:56 -0400 > From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com > Subject: Leonard Cohen and Joni -Heck of a Guys Blog > > Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 10:31:29 -0400 > From: Michael Sentance > Subject: Leonard Cohen & JoniIf you like Leonard Cohen - and Joni Mitchell > - - you may have been read 1 > Heck of a Guy's blog . > > > He has posted several times about Joni and the relationship between Cohen > and Mitchell. He's recently updated an extensive post about it and you may > read it here: > > http://1heckofaguy.com/2007/03/31/leonard-cohen-and-joni-mitchell-just-one-of- > those-things/ > > > > Hey Michael, > > Thanks for that link. That was an excellent read. > > I loved these comments by Joni in regards to Leonards work: > > 1. My lyrics are influenced by Leonard. After we met at Newport last year > (1967) we saw a lot of each other. Some of Leonardbs religious imagery, > which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly Catholic part of Canada, > seems to have rubbed off on me too. Leonard didnbt really explore music. > Hebs a word man first. Leonardbs economical, he never wastes a word. I can > go through Leonardbs work and itbs like silk. > > and: > > 2. I think Ibm rather Cohen influenced. I wrote bMarcieb and afterwards > thought that it wouldnbt have happened if it hadnbt been for bSuzanne. > > and: > > 3. Leonard was an early influence. I remember thinking when I heard his > songs for the first time that I was not worldly. My work seemed very young > and naive in comparison. At the time I met him I was around 24, around the > time of my first record. But thematically I wanted to be broader than he > was. In many ways Leonard was a boudoir poet. > > and this quote attributed to Judy Collins: > > 4. Joni and Leonard met for the first time at that concert [the Newport > afternoon concert] and began a love affair. Still, everyone was a little > off-center. I remember being in bed with a man I did not know who was > coming down from an acid trip and wanted me to bcomfort him,b no sex > involved. Leonard sat in the room with us, singing bThe Stranger Songb > softly to himself, not paying any attention at all to what was happening > on the bed. The Chelsea Hotel indeed! I trusted Leonard completely in very > intimate situations and although we never had an intimate exchange of that > kind ourselves, he was a constant ally I could take into battle with no > fear of betrayal. Joni wrote bThat Song About The Midwayb about Leonard, or > so she says. Sounds right: the festival, the guy, the jewel in the ear. > > ================= > Sheila Weller, Michelle Mercer, Brian Hinton, Ellen Sanders, Ira B. Nadel > and others are the source of much of the material in this blog highlighting > the Leonard Cohen / Joni Mitchell relationship. > > My Question for anyone on the list that have read these books is how > credible in your opinion are these accounts by Weller, Mercer and others in > their books citing interviews from conversations they had with various > sources to their books? > > I'd like to hear some feedback on this topic. > > > - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. 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Kenny B - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller To: Ken Cc: emzdogz ; joni Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:16 am Subject: Re: My four-cents worth on Bruce NJC Well, of course it's all opinion, unlessthe artist announces that "this is officially the end of my blue period"or whatever. I would have a hard time justifying BTR as an ender, simplybecause the hat trick of BTR, Darkness, and The River are so tightly woundtogether. But there's no right or wrong answers, just something fun todiscuss. In terms of Joni, I group her periodsas: 1968 - 1974 STAS - MOA: Singer - Songwriterperiod (and you could argue that this one should split given the dramaticchanges from STAS to C&S) 1975 - 1980 HOSL - SAL: Experimentaland jazz 1981 - 1990 WTRF - CMIARS: Return tothe mainstream 1991 - 2008 NRH - Shine: Return to herown muse Thoughts? 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