From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #71 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 071 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- WTF (WTRF) [Betsy Blue ] Re: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods [gerard mclaughlin Subject: WTF (WTRF) No offense taken...your opinion is certainly valid. Just wanted to share that I was so desperate for a live album of the Refuge tour that I ripped audio off the DVD. Of course my tracks aren't edited properly, so I laugh out loud whenever "sensual stimuli" and Joni's striptease start. The whole DVD is kind of hilarious, actually. I'm glad I'm not old enough to remember when men wore short shorts! Betsy NP Tattoo (VH w/ DLR!) >> Stage 4.1982. WTRF.Here starts my What the f..k stage. She should have got >> out then. > Apologies to anyone I may have offended. > > Gerard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:14:08 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods Stage 1 : STAS, '68, Clouds, '69. LOTC, '70. We see her emerge as a unique artist and in a three year period start to rise way above what anyone could have anticipated. Didn't take her long to see through it all and shed the goddess role to fearlessly incarnate as a woman in control of her destiny at least musically in, Stage 2. Blue. 1971. She'd had some time out- a mini hejira- travelling Europe and started I think to really get a handle on her own style...'72 FTR. '74. C&S. MOA is for me the bridge between Stages 2 and 3. Sage 3. '75. HOSL. '76. Hejira. '77. DJRD and '79 Mingus. Before she was a-copying Joan Baez and the likes while she was a painter and a dancer and and a girl always looking at the horizon she was in love with Miles and Lambert, Hendricks and Ross. Post Blue she could do as she wished... She got back to what made her tick....Jazzz. SAL bridges the gap here. Stage 4.1982. WTRF.Here starts my What the f..k stage. She should have got out then. She was starting to fall...or maybe her wings had been melted by the sun. Whatever, she got married and each year I waited for something ......Nothing until....We see her with her ear ripped off... Stage 5.1994. TI. Back to the grown up version of what made her famous in the first place...divorce. Only kidding. Songs from the heart. A big girl tells her story. We can handle that. After that it's all box sets and junk really until the end of the rainbow and 2007 Shine....and the ballet and the art....and the tributes....and awards and not a lot really except Joni was a mother again and a granny. Full circle. Back to the painting...Sorted. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > So here's how I think of her various musical periods: > > STAS - BLUE : acoustic sorrow period > FTR - DJRD : music industry traveler and cynic > MINGUS : jazz (I really think this stands on its own) > WTRF - CMIARS : layered production (I'll bet if these had been recorded > simply we'd all like them better) > NRH : return to acoustic sound w/more mature themes > TI-TTT+SHINE : melodic decline in favor of lyrics and rythmn > BSN+Travelogue: symphonic arrangements > > lots of love, > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:34:22 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods I don't mean to be rude just flippant which is every bit as bad. Of course her genius shines through in each album of the later stage and soars at points . I just don't get the feel of these albums as much as the earlier and mid career work...Apologies to anyone I may have offended. Gerard. . On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM, gerard mclaughlin wrote: > Stage 1 : STAS, '68, Clouds, '69. LOTC, '70. We see her emerge as a unique > artist and in a three year period start to rise way above what anyone could > have anticipated. Didn't take her long to see through it all and shed the > goddess role to fearlessly incarnate as a woman in control of her destiny > at least musically in, > > Stage 2. Blue. 1971. She'd had some time out- a mini hejira- travelling > Europe and started I think to really get a handle on her own style...'72 > FTR. '74. C&S. MOA is for me the bridge between Stages 2 and 3. > > Sage 3. '75. HOSL. '76. Hejira. '77. DJRD and '79 Mingus. Before she was > a-copying Joan Baez and the likes while she was a painter and a dancer and > and a girl always looking at the horizon she was in love with Miles and > Lambert, Hendricks and Ross. Post Blue she could do as she wished... She > got back to what made her tick....Jazzz. SAL bridges the gap here. > > Stage 4.1982. WTRF.Here starts my What the f..k stage. She should have got > out then. She was starting to fall...or maybe her wings had been melted by > the sun. Whatever, she got married and each year I waited for something > ......Nothing until....We see her with her ear ripped off... > > Stage 5.1994. TI. Back to the grown up version of what made her famous in > the first place...divorce. Only kidding. Songs from the heart. A big girl > tells her story. We can handle that. > > After that it's all box sets and junk really until the end of the rainbow > and 2007 Shine....and the ballet and the art....and the tributes....and > awards and not a lot really except Joni was a mother again and a granny. > Full circle. Back to the painting...Sorted. > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Anne Sandstrom > wrote: > > > So here's how I think of her various musical periods: > > > > STAS - BLUE : acoustic sorrow period > > FTR - DJRD : music industry traveler and cynic > > MINGUS : jazz (I really think this stands on its own) > > WTRF - CMIARS : layered production (I'll bet if these had been recorded > > simply we'd all like them better) > > NRH : return to acoustic sound w/more mature themes > > TI-TTT+SHINE : melodic decline in favor of lyrics and rythmn > > BSN+Travelogue: symphonic arrangements > > > > lots of love, > > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:23:20 -0500 From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods Hi Kevin, Have you listened to Laura Nyro? Nice post! Love, Laura On Mar 14, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kevin Foehr wrote: > Greetings, > > New subscriber; might as well jump in on this thread. Can't help > but wonder how many times over the years this topic has been discussed. And > how many times Joni's music will be discussed in the next, say, 100 years... > both are big #s I would think. > > To me there is only one period that matters: > The Blue period. And I'll throw FTR in toor. For me it all ended with C&S, > the last great album. "The Big Three" I call them. > > I fell in love with Blue > and Joni simultaneously in 1971. Any woman who could write and sing with such > passion and sensitivity and intelligence was the woman for me. I spent the > next 25 years or so looking for a Joni of my own. It took me that long to > realize there are no other Jonies. > > Blue is my fave album of all time, and > Joni is my fave lyricist of all time. I'll give Dylan a silver and Natalie > Merchant and Morrissey bronzes. Michael Stipe gets an honorable mention. But > I'm not a music history student, so I'm sure I'm ignorant of some others I > would rate highly too. (Any recommendations?) > > I like her pre-Blue albums a > lot, at least many of the songs. But nothing comes close to the power Blue > has over me. I still tear up hearing such songs as A Case of You, The Last > ... Richard, and even a relatively happy song like California. It's not the > sadness; its just the tenderness and the beauty and the specialness of the > songs and performances. And that is after 40 years of listening to them! > (Although I must admit, I didn't listen constantly; there were periods, > perhaps even years when I drifted away from her music, and most other music > too. But Blue is never forgotten and I always inevitably return to it. > > BTW, > imo, River is the greatest song ever. It has grown on me over the decades to > now occupy my top spot. > > Comments? Complaints? Hit me with your best shot. > I can handle it, maybe... > > Kevin ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #71 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe