From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #69 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 13 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 069 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: My two-cents worth on Bruce [Em ] Joni's periods [Betsy Blue ] Re: Joni on Cover of NYC Time Out Magazine [gerard mclaughlin You and (almost) everyone else, Ken - I could have been honest and labelled it "Attempted return to mainstream" but chose not to do so. None of those records were commercially successful which I think was very frustrating for Joni, despite what she may say about not caring about her popularity. She used many popular stars of the times, released videos, even tried to re-market those records as a box set and a series of compilations, and nothing was effective in changing the minds of the music-consuming public. Bob NP: The Cure, "The Upstairs Room" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 03:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: My two-cents worth on Bruce hi KennyB Interesting what you already consider middle period. To me "River" is the last of his early period - so "Darkness on the Edge of Town", would be next to last early period album. To me his middle period is marked by him really beefing up and becoming somewhat of a muscle dude there for awhile. I associate middle period Bruce with "Born in the USA" and that album that had "I'm on Fire" on it. (I forget the name, I actually owned it tho) Then "Nebraska" gave a hint as to what the later period Bruce could and would be. I've still not heard his new album. Hope to, soon. My favorite of his is definitely "Darkness at the Edge of Town" - have loved that since it first came out. I love "Born to Run" also, but feel it seriously suffers, sound/production-wise, on many of the songs. It's just so dense I don't even want to try and absorb it except on a small radio like in a car. They "wall of sound"-ed it and I can't handle that roar. "10th Avenue Freeze Out" is probably the cut on there that sounds best. Love it! as well as "Jungleland". Heck I love the whole thing - it's just produced in a way that makes it too dense for my delicate ears. It's been fun to read people's different perspectives. By the way, count me in as one who loves his "We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions". That thing is a ton of fun, and will infect me for days on end with earworms after having listened. Oh crap, here we go... ".....pay me my money down"! :) Em - --- On Sun, 3/11/12, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: Re: My two-cents worth on Bruce To: joni@smoe.org Date: Sunday, March 11, 2012, 9:51 PM Okay, I've read all the various takes on Springsteen over the past week or so and wasn't going to chime in but I feel obliged, especially since I DO like quite a bit of Springsteen's work. Of course, if you weren't into him during the early days, I can imagine you're younger than I and looking (and listening) from a different perspective. And I won't say I loved all his early stuff, as opposed to my feelings for Joni's work, because his first couple albums are quite uneven. And, while 1972's "Blinded By The Light" may seem a little bubble-gum poppy to new listeners, "Growin' Up," "For You," and "Spirit In The Night" are all more thoughtful compositions. And I can't listen to 1973's "Rosalita" without turning up the volume and wanting to sing along. I have always regarded 1975's Born To Run as one of my favorite albums and feel "Jungleland," in particular, is way under-appreciated; I think it would make a great music video or the basic plot for a movie... listen to the lyrics sometime while it's playing. Ironic that my son doesn't care for the early Bruce that I like but loves middle-carreer albums like Nebraska, Darkness On The Edge Of Town, and Born On The Fourth Of July. I also like some of Bruce's mid-to-late releases; it's just that I connect more with the early stuff. Obviously, you can't compare Joni and Bruce. They come from such different backgrounds (and such different sets of circumstance, Coyote) and their music is nearly polar opposite from each other. And, while I don't expect anyone to change their mind if they don't care for Springsteen's music, I would encourage those who never got into it to check it out; it's so easy to do these days with things like YouTube and the i-tunes store. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:23:24 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Joni's periods I group her periods as: 1968 - 1971 STAS - Blue Folk (growing up 1972-1976 FTR-Hejira Singer-Songwriter (achieving success) 1977 - 1982 DJRD - WTRF Experimental and jazz (rejecting expectations) 1985 - 1994 DED-TI Adult (settling into what ever is popular) 1998-2007 TTT- Shine Senior (doing as she pleases) Betsy > In terms of Joni, I group her periods as: > > 1968 - 1974 STAS - MOA: Singer - Songwriter period (and you could argue > that this one should split given the dramatic changes from STAS to C&S) > 1975 - 1980 HOSL - SAL: Experimental and jazz > 1981 - 1990 WTRF - CMIARS: Return to the mainstream > 1991 - 2008 NRH - Shine: Return to her own muse > > Thoughts? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:00:26 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Joni on Cover of NYC Time Out Magazine hello,Laura. I voted for Joni and Stevie Wonder. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > Hi Laura, > > Thanks for the link - I went and voted for Chelsea Morning, and > luckily it allowed me to vote more than once so I voted for Billy Joel > which I > actually like better as an NYC song. > I'm guessing that cover is exclusive to > the NYC edition, given the theme. > > Bob > > NP: Wallis Bird, "Slow Down" (thanks > Craig!) > > > ________________________________ > From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Friday, > March 9, 2012 3:00 PM > Subject: Joni on Cover of NYC Time Out Magazine > > Found > this on eBay > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/TIME-OUT-NEW-YORK-JONI-MITCHELL-100-BEST-NYC-SONGS-/1 > 80838058067?pt=Magazines&hash=item2a1ac9c853 > > Then went to the Time Out > website here: > http://newyork.timeout.com/music-nightlife/music/2750297/100-best-nyc-songs > There is a poll here and Joni is Number 19 with Chelsea Morning. Right now > there are 23 votes. > > http://newyork.timeout.com/music-nightlife/music/2777697/poll-you-choose-the- > best-nyc-songs?package=2750297 > > Haven't been able to find a copy of the Time > Out magazine for Chicago yet to see if Joni is on the cover here as well. > Maybe just a NYC thing. (?) > > > > Laura > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NJC > Below>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Win iTune Gift Cards > http://www.chapstick.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:43:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Re: My two-cents worth on Joni's song periods So here's how I think of her various musical periods: STAS - BLUE : acoustic sorrow period FTR - DJRD : music industry traveler and cynic MINGUS : jazz (I really think this stands on its own) WTRF - CMIARS : layered production (I'll bet if these had been recorded simply we'd all like them better) NRH : return to acoustic sound w/more mature themes TI-TTT+SHINE : melodic decline in favor of lyrics and rythmn BSN+Travelogue: symphonic arrangements lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #69 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe