From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #64 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 9 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 064 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Message from JM Contact Us page [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Springsteen [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Message from JM Contact Us page [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:52:10 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Message from JM Contact Us page Also, I love this performance at the Isle of Wight 1970: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKRThOEPl7Y Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:29 PM To: Joni List Subject: Fwd: Message from JM Contact Us page Help an Aussie out, gang? Be sure and copy him on any responses... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Message from JM Contact Us page Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:19:10 -0700 (MST) From: grant.dodge1@interwebwifi.com.au To: Hi, Ibm currently doing an essay on the Joni Mitchell original song bBig Yellow Taxib compared to the 2002 version by Counting Crows. I have find small amounts of information, but was wondering where the best place to find some original meaning to the song. Name: Grant Dodge email: grant.dodge1@interwebwifi.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:00:45 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Message from JM Contact Us page Hi Grant, As a researcher, the best way for me to get Joni questions answered is to search the JM.com archives. Beyond that a couple of things come to mind for me about this song: 1. Joni wrote this song when she visited Hawaii and looked out her hotel window expecting a view of paradise and ended up finding an ugly parking lot. I'm sure the line "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot" was the first line that popped into her head and started the song ... 2. If you listen to Joni's early performances pre-1968, she talks about her song writing process a lot. When she wanted to write something fun or silly she would always use what she called her basic rock and roll rhythm (she says you can get away with a lot with a rock and roll rhythm!). It sounds to me like she got that first line and then proceeded to write the music ... rolling bass line, barre chord drums ... 3. My favorite JMDL line in recent posts was when Betsy said "What is DDT?" Of course, people my age not only know exactly what DDT was (a poisonous insecticide used profusely pre-1970, even by your mom in the garden), they also remember those PSA commercials with the crying Native American saying "Don't Litter." Joni was a big part of the new movement to be responsible for our environment ... another great source is her involvement in the Greenpeace Amchitka concert ... check that out if you haven't already. 4. Joni also loved the fact that Dylan not only covered BYT on his album Dylan in 1973, but also added his own verse! ... A Big Yellow Tractor come and pushed around my house, pushed around my land ... She often sings this lyric in her own later versions of BYT (usually with a dead-on impression of Dylan!). That's all I can think of right now. Good luck with your essay. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:29 PM To: Joni List Subject: Fwd: Message from JM Contact Us page Help an Aussie out, gang? Be sure and copy him on any responses... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Message from JM Contact Us page Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:19:10 -0700 (MST) From: grant.dodge1@interwebwifi.com.au To: Hi, Ibm currently doing an essay on the Joni Mitchell original song bBig Yellow Taxib compared to the 2002 version by Counting Crows. I have find small amounts of information, but was wondering where the best place to find some original meaning to the song. Name: Grant Dodge email: grant.dodge1@interwebwifi.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:34:11 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Springsteen I think the Boss' most obvious influence is Roy Orbison. He gets Roy's emotion, for sure. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Corey Blake Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 5:25 PM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: gerard mclaughlin; joni@smoe.org; Sharon Watkins Subject: Re: Springsteen I respect him but most of what I've heard from him is good but doesn't connect with me. Sometimes his influences are too transparent to me (Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Warren Zevon) and I'd rather hear the original. But he's obviously talented and a showman. I can't remember if I bought a copy or got it as a gift but somehow I have his CD We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions and I really like that. It feels like a band hanging out and having a blast. Very loose and free. - -Corey Sent from my iPad On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Firstly, let's not label Bruce Springsteen as "pop". He's as far away > from Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber as Joni is. Like Joni, he > had his moments when what he did coincided with the zeitgeist and he > had amazing success (Born To Run, Born In The USA), and like Joni he's > followed his artistic muse and taken some big artistic risks, some of > which were brilliant (Nebraska, The Ghost of Tom Joad) and some that > were not as good. > > He's one of the hardest-working performers in Rock and Roll and has > been for a very long time. He brings a blue-collar work ethic to his > shows, and has the rare gift of making you feel like he's only performing for you. > > This doesn't mean you HAVE to like him, of course. I wouldn't cross > the street to hear anything by Bjork, Leonard Cohen, Rufus Wainwright > and a host of others who are also brilliant artists in their own right. > > And by the same token, let's not compare Springsteen and Joni. Both of > them are in my top 10 and more than worthy of admiration. > > Bob > > > > > From: gerard mclaughlin > To: Sharon Watkins > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: 03/07/2012 01:00 PM > Subject: Re: Springsteen > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > I couldn't agree more. Joni is in a league of her own. I don't get the > feeling that she is channeling from the heavens though. I get that > feeling with someone like Arvo Part but know it is from silence that > he gets his music. Joni does a lot of time on her own too just being > Joni. These great artists are beyond writing their stuff just to make > a buck which is what a lot of it is about in the music industry and > probably why some people can't buy into "dross". Judging by how well > dross does though most folks are happy with a familiar sound that gets > them moving and there's room for all of that too. For me Bjork and > Kate Bush and PJ Harvey , Laura Nyro, Little Dragon ...oh and this new > Scottish woman Emili Sande are decent enough companions on the Joni > trail but MsMitchell is the queen o them all in my book ! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnpXF0GHd2o&feature=related > > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Sharon Watkins wrote: > >> I'm American, so its not that he's too "American" for me. I have just >> NEVER liked Springsteen! Could not figure out why; maybe you're onto >> something with the boring chord progressions. I have no formal >> training > of >> any kind in music, can't read a note of music, and can't begin to > analyze >> chord progressions, composition techniques etc. I only know that most > most >> pop music leaves me cold. I'd almost rather listen to nothing than to > music >> that does not touch me. >> On the other hand, I cannot begin to explain what it is about Joni's > music >> that thrills my soul and fills me like an intoxicating elixir. I only > know >> it seems channeled from heaven. For many years I thought something >> was wrong with me; that I had stopped liking music. Never had an >> emotional reaction to anything I heard. Then several years ago I >> discovered > Hejira, >> Court and Spark, DJRD on YouTube. Somehow I had missed those the >> first > time >> around in the 70s. I listened, enraptured and thrilled to discover >> that > I >> still loved music! It just had to be the right kind of music for me. >> Sharon >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this > message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact > the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender > and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:53:22 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Springsteen Firstly, let's not label Bruce Springsteen as "pop". He's as far away from Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber as Joni is. Like Joni, he had his moments when what he did coincided with the zeitgeist and he had amazing success (Born To Run, Born In The USA), and like Joni he's followed his artistic muse and taken some big artistic risks, some of which were brilliant (Nebraska, The Ghost of Tom Joad) and some that were not as good. He's one of the hardest-working performers in Rock and Roll and has been for a very long time. He brings a blue-collar work ethic to his shows, and has the rare gift of making you feel like he's only performing for you. This doesn't mean you HAVE to like him, of course. I wouldn't cross the street to hear anything by Bjork, Leonard Cohen, Rufus Wainwright and a host of others who are also brilliant artists in their own right. And by the same token, let's not compare Springsteen and Joni. Both of them are in my top 10 and more than worthy of admiration. Bob From: gerard mclaughlin To: Sharon Watkins Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: 03/07/2012 01:00 PM Subject: Re: Springsteen Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org I couldn't agree more. Joni is in a league of her own. I don't get the feeling that she is channeling from the heavens though. I get that feeling with someone like Arvo Part but know it is from silence that he gets his music. Joni does a lot of time on her own too just being Joni. These great artists are beyond writing their stuff just to make a buck which is what a lot of it is about in the music industry and probably why some people can't buy into "dross". Judging by how well dross does though most folks are happy with a familiar sound that gets them moving and there's room for all of that too. For me Bjork and Kate Bush and PJ Harvey , Laura Nyro, Little Dragon ...oh and this new Scottish woman Emili Sande are decent enough companions on the Joni trail but MsMitchell is the queen o them all in my book ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnpXF0GHd2o&feature=related On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Sharon Watkins wrote: > I'm American, so its not that he's too "American" for me. I have just > NEVER liked Springsteen! Could not figure out why; maybe you're onto > something with the boring chord progressions. I have no formal training of > any kind in music, can't read a note of music, and can't begin to analyze > chord progressions, composition techniques etc. I only know that most most > pop music leaves me cold. I'd almost rather listen to nothing than to music > that does not touch me. > On the other hand, I cannot begin to explain what it is about Joni's music > that thrills my soul and fills me like an intoxicating elixir. I only know > it seems channeled from heaven. For many years I thought something was > wrong with me; that I had stopped liking music. Never had an emotional > reaction to anything I heard. Then several years ago I discovered Hejira, > Court and Spark, DJRD on YouTube. Somehow I had missed those the first time > around in the 70s. I listened, enraptured and thrilled to discover that I > still loved music! It just had to be the right kind of music for me. > Sharon > > Sent from my iPhone - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:55:54 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Message from JM Contact Us page Wikipedia also has some good info regarding the song: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Yellow_Taxi#Mitchell.27s_composition_and_recording Bob NP: Fleetwood Mac, "Destiny Rules" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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