From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #43 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, February 19 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 043 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #268 [gerard mclaughlin ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni [Dave Blackburn ] Re: [T Peckham ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni [Dave Blackburn ] Taylor as Joni [Sharon Watkins ] Re: Taylor Swift as Joni [Happy The Man ] [none] [Sharon Watkins ] RE: Taylor Swift as Joni [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Emergence of Joni Mitchell [raven@igc.org] Re: Emergence of Joni Mitchell [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni's magical grounding herb [LC Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:14:52 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #268 I always thought their were similarities between Cissy S and Joni M. A good choice for the older Joni. Just watched Ms Spacek in The Help and she was brilliant as usual. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:29 PM, ava rosenblum wrote: > I bet Sissy Spacek is the caliber of actress (who I believe also sings) > who could do right by the role of older Joni. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:13:47 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni My pick for the movie would be our own Christina Friis-Nielsen from Copenhagen (Hey, Christina, if you're still on the list!). She is a specialist in early Joni, sings spot-on like her, plays piano and guitar, and is a bona fide Scandinavian blonde beauty. Not sure about the cigarette smoking, but everyone has their price ;-) What do you say, Christina? Are you in? On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:49 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I was really hoping that the producers of this movie would have picked an unknown phenom to play Joni. I know for sure it would have been really hard for our group to approve of anyone. > > I'm going to hope that the directors guide her in the subtleties of who Joni Mitchell is, because if they don't, this movie is going to turn into pure camp, and I'm not OK with that. > > Anyway. That's my two cents. > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:30:10 -0600 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Crystal can definitely play the piano. But I think the Brooklyn accent might be a stretch. ;-) Terra On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Sharon Watkins wrote: > What about Crystal Bowersox as Carole King? Has a husky voice and is a > petite dynamo like > Carole, but idk if she can play piano. She would need a tight perm and > hair color though. > Sent from my iPhone > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:02:31 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Gwyneth Paltrow, perhaps? Also, If Mia Farrow were much younger, you'd have the lookalike and good actress part taken care of. http://tinyurl.com/7zyr7wx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:03:49 -0600 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Taylor as Joni Dave, Gwyneth is exactly who I thought of if they ever made a biopic if Joni. She's a little too old for young Joni (early 40s?), but she looks great and can sing. Don't know if she has Joni's early range though, but her beauty is similar to Joni's. Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:53:24 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni So i'm thinking if your going to pick actresses who can sing then your limited. So here's my list: For Carly Simon - Mandy Moore or Joss Stone Carole King - Emmy Rossum or Billie Piper (Dr. Who) or Zooey drum roll Joni Mitchell - Saoirse Ronan ( wish Bella Hardy acted dye her hair blond and you have a young Joni and she can cover the early Joni.) This will get me Flamed but Kristen Stewart good enough actress just get her a good voice coach. OK i'm done. * * On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > My pick for the movie would be our own Christina Friis-Nielsen from > Copenhagen (Hey, Christina, if you're still on the list!). She is a > specialist in early Joni, sings spot-on like her, plays piano and guitar, > and is a bona fide Scandinavian blonde beauty. Not sure about the cigarette > smoking, but everyone has their price ;-) What do you say, Christina? Are > you in? > > > On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:49 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > > > I was really hoping that the producers of this movie would have picked > an unknown phenom to play Joni. I know for sure it would have been really > hard for our group to approve of anyone. > > > > I'm going to hope that the directors guide her in the subtleties of who > Joni Mitchell is, because if they don't, this movie is going to turn into > pure camp, and I'm not OK with that. > > > > Anyway. That's my two cents. > > > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:40:04 -0600 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: [none] What about Crystal Bowersox as Carole King? Has a husky voice and is a petite dynamo like Carole, but idk if she can play piano. She would need a tight perm and hair color though. Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:49:49 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Taylor Swift as Joni I was really hoping that the producers of this movie would have picked an unknown phenom to play Joni. I know for sure it would have been really hard for our group to approve of anyone. I'm going to hope that the directors guide her in the subtleties of who Joni Mitchell is, because if they don't, this movie is going to turn into pure camp, and I'm not OK with that. Anyway. That's my two cents. Sue ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of CoyoteRick [coyoterick@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:32 AM To: Dave Blackburn Cc: kbhla; ; Subject: Re: Taylor Swift as Joni Hmmm...can't help but wonder about those that made The Doors a hit? Hope the same for The Girls but admit its a longer hike. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I assume the producers are thinking Taylor Swift would be a box office draw, but what they overlook is that the age group who would want to see a film about 60's and 70's songwriters (ie. us) find her completely lacking in gravitas, guitar chops and vocal chops (see the Youtube of her singing with Stevie Nicks last year.) I teach her songs to 12 year olds on a daily basis so I've heard a lot of her records and they are the definition of formulaic, production pop with a few truck images included to appeal to the country base. They should pick an unknown actress who has all of the above, if you ask me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:55:10 -0800 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Emergence of Joni Mitchell I joined the JMDL in the very early days of 1996 and met about three dozen JMDL members in San Jose CA on 19 May 1998, then I had to leave the internet for several years (long sad story), but now I'm back. Anyway, I do not know if this item has ever been discussed here, since I've been absent for so many years, but it's rather interesting, so I'm posting it for any of you who have not heard it ... a two-hour radio program on "The Emergence of Joni Mitchell". http://www.prx.org/pieces/23531-the-emergence-of-joni-mitchell Also: http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html - -- Johnny Raven ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 06:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Emergence of Joni Mitchell Johnny, welcome back and thanks for the links - most folks here are familiar with the broadcast (if you look at the details you'll see that several JMDLer's contributed interviews with Paul. Always good to re-visit these sorts of things as you never know who didn't catch it the first time 'round. Bob NP: Howlin' Rain, "Can't Satisfy Me Now" (this is a great record, a throwback to classic-psych rock, check it out if you can) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 08:02:47 -0800 (PST) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Joni's magical grounding herb Hi Rob, Leukemia can be caused by smoking. Here is short clip of a doctor saying just that: http://www.ehow.com/video_4784675_smoking-cause-leukemia_.html My mother smoked until the day she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, and there is a 70% risk of pancreatic cancer in smokers. Did Steve Jobs smoke? Yes, tobacco is considered to be a poison and works as a pesticide. Any environmentalist who smokes is polluting their internal environment. Although tobacco is in the same family as nightshade, it is also in the same family as tomatoes, potatoes, and eggplant. Nicotine can keep up the levels of both dopamine (feel good neurotransmitter) and norepinephrine (stimulant). There is evidence it is has both good and bad effects in the gastrointestinal tract, that it can be used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in adults. Nicotine also binds to the neuromuscular junctions of skeletal muscles, and the polio virus specifically damages the neurons that provide the axonal component of these junctions. So it might not be just the focussing benefits of nicotine that appeals to Joni on the subconscious level. Although nicotine itself is a certified carcinogen, many other harmful particles are breathed in as cigarette smoke, including radioactivity like Polonium 210 that is like throwing a bowling ball through a wall in the way it damages cell walls, so smoking can be considered to be a dirty way of administering nicotine. It is like breathing concentrated air pollution or pesticide. Not all carcinogens stink like air pollution can. For example, benzene is an aromatic hydrocarbon that can travel through the air and smells wonderful! I got in trouble in organic chemistry lab for leaving it out on the table like air freshner because it smelled so good. I too like the way a freshly lighted cigarette smells. Maybe it is the benzene known to be present in the smoke that is so pleasing to smell. Benzene inhalation is linked to leukemia and other blood cancers by the way. I prefer cigar and pipe tobacco to cigarettes. They are much stronger. However, I try not to smoke these because of the risk of oral, laryngeal, and esophageal cancer. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Rob And Tracy To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:21 AM Subject: Joni's magical grounding herb Ok, I've skipped many posts the past few days because I was in Saskatoon and couldn't read everything on my phone, so forgive me if I am merely repeating. However, I have to say this: even though some supposedly "healthy" people die young, and some people with bad habits live freakishly long, it is irresponsible to just say "oh, we can't control destiny" or whatever. My mother was a life-long smoker, and when she died 3 1/2 years ago at 73 from leukemia, my amazement was that I couldn't believe that it wasn't the smoking that killed her. My beloved Stevie Nicks' mother Barbara died this Xmas after 70 years of smoking, although from smoking related illnesses. But I have to say this: to say that tobacco is a "grounding herb" is pure self-deceiving bullshit. That statement has always made my blood boil. It's not a grounding herb. It's poison. As an ex-smoker, I know how addictive tobacco is. This July will mark my 9 year anniversary of quitting, and I STILL dream of smoking ! at least once a month. And I still love the smell of a fresh lit cigarette. And I still like to stand outside with the smokers to steal a whiff. But even when I was a smoker, and believe me, I wanted to smoke from sun up to sundown, without a break, I knew it was poison. And I am sorry, but even if the frigging Pope said "smoke on, my child, for this is a catechism herb", well, even I would know enough to call bullshit to that. I just wish Joni would say "sorry, I am too hooked to quit", rather than involving medicine men. Smoke all you want. That goes for everyone. Just don't pretend it's some special cosmic tool for you. As someone who loses and gains the same damn 50 lbs each year, I would never say "Carbs and trans-fats are my grounding energy". No, instead I know what my weaknesses are and each year I hope it's the last time I gotta drag out my "fat clothes". Same thing with smoking. It's all the same - we take comfort where we can. I just wish Joni could use some ! of that eagle's clarity to call a spade a spade. Lecture over. Rob Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #43 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe