From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #37 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 16 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 037 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Time's Up (sjc) ["kbhla" ] Re: Melisma [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #220 ["Gary Hanick" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #220 ["Gary Hanick" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 ["Gary Hanick" ] Re: RIP Dory Previn - vljc [Anita G ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:10:45 -0800 From: "kbhla" Subject: RE: Time's Up (sjc) From what I've personally seen, genetics does play a part in longevity. Also, a good diet in your formative years and attitude and spunk - which I think ties into Gary's thoughts about "heart." I have seen some family and friends overcome the most dire health challenges and diagnoses because of their attitude. 50 years ago my grandmother suffered 3 massive strokes at age 72. The doctors first said she wouldn't make it, then said she would be a "vegetable" and then said she would never talk or walk again. Well, she completely overcame all of their predictions and recovered without any impariment. The doctors were amazed and wrote about her in some medical journal. Their conclusion was that her attitude got her through it all. She did have a healthy lifetstyle, never drank or smoked and had an endless curiousity about, and engagement with, life. She lived to be 97, still living independently in her own place. On the other hand, her father drank and smoked heavily but he lived to be 103! He was still driving a red MG sports car when he was 100! ;-) Joni has longevity on both sides from Myrtle and Bill and Bill's obituary mentioned that they ate healthy, nutritious meals all their lives. The obit also mentioned Bill's love for life and engagement with many interests well into his senior years. Some of my doctors, who know of my bad habits, have commented that I am ahead of the curve mainly because of a good diet growing up. Kakki Of course there will ALWAYS be outliers - they can't be considered the norm. Science and modern medicine tells us what the risks are for a number of behaviors. It doesn't mean that it always holds true (Keith Richards is still kicking; meanwhile my Mom took great care of herself and cancer got her before she reached the age I'm at right now), but over the long haul it does in most cases. "What's in your heart"? What does that mean exactly? Good people live longer? Really? "Nothing really dies" Excuse me? There's nothing even close to the truth in any of this. Having said that, I respect your beliefs and to each his own, just don't don't try to pass them off as truths when we all know better. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:40:23 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Melisma My favourite instance of Joni's melisma is in Troubled Child "They open and CLOSE you" which happens around 1.44. It's only small and it's only subtle but she does it again in "Some are gonna KNOCK you", both instances, it subtly highlights the word, technique and grace not overpowering the content. Beautiful On 16 February 2012 00:19, Betsy Blue wrote: > Melismatic singing isn't the same as belting. Joni did some: > > The wires in the wall are HUMMING. > All romantics meet the SAME fate. > He comes for CONVERSATION. > Not like you love your FREEDOM. > > She's very subtle about it, and it's not just about vocal ambition. It > often emphasizes a plot point in the song. > > The ones that give me chills are her pairs of ascending triplets in > Coyote's "no compreHENDING" and "dark GLASSES." Its not as easy as it > sounds. > - -- Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Acting Agent: Pelham Associates 01273 323 010 Facebook VoiceOvers SpotLight Twitter Showreel Recently completed a successful run of Orwell's *Burmese Days *for Theatre 59E59 in New York for Aya Theatre. Currently working on *'Unbroken Line*' a solo performance for various festivals in the UK in 2013 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:30:03 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #220 And I respect yours. I can't pass off truth to anyone. What works for one may completely annoy and process another. Peace. What I write is based on my experience only. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:05 PM, "JMDL Digest" wrote: > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 220 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Time's Up NJC [Bob Muller ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:04:49 -0800 (PST) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Time's Up NJC > > Of course there will ALWAYS be outliers - they can't be considered the norm. > Science and modern medicine tells us what the risks are for a number of > behaviors. It doesn't mean that it always holds true (Keith Richards is still > kicking; meanwhile my Mom took great care of herself and cancer got her before > she reached the age I'm at right now), but over the long haul it does in most > cases. > > "What's in your heart"? What does that mean exactly? Good people live > longer? Really? > > "Nothing really dies" Excuse me? > > There's nothing even > close to the truth in any of this. Having said that, I respect your beliefs > and to each his own, just don't don't try to pass them off as truths when we > all know better. > > Bob > > > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #220 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:30:03 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #220 And I respect yours. I can't pass off truth to anyone. What works for one may completely annoy and process another. Peace. What I write is based on my experience only. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:05 PM, "JMDL Digest" wrote: > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 15 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 220 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Time's Up NJC [Bob Muller ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:04:49 -0800 (PST) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Time's Up NJC > > Of course there will ALWAYS be outliers - they can't be considered the norm. > Science and modern medicine tells us what the risks are for a number of > behaviors. It doesn't mean that it always holds true (Keith Richards is still > kicking; meanwhile my Mom took great care of herself and cancer got her before > she reached the age I'm at right now), but over the long haul it does in most > cases. > > "What's in your heart"? What does that mean exactly? Good people live > longer? Really? > > "Nothing really dies" Excuse me? > > There's nothing even > close to the truth in any of this. Having said that, I respect your beliefs > and to each his own, just don't don't try to pass them off as truths when we > all know better. > > Bob > > > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2012 #220 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send tojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:23:54 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Admittedly not the best habit in the world....but there are people who smoke all their lives and live to 100; and people who don't and pass on at 20. It's the luck of the draw, genes, the will of fate, Spirit, whatever you want to call it....people are going to stick around as long as they are supposed to, no matter what they do "between the forceps and the stone". - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:26 AM To: Gary Hanick Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2012 #198 Well, apart from the lifelong chain smoking... On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Gary Hanick wrote: > She had the wisdom to > realize that her life was more valuable than how many records she sold. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:01:18 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: RIP Dory Previn - vljc Oh, Catherine, this has made me very sad. I always loved Dory Previn and 'Mythical Kings and Iguanas' is one of the only albums I played alongside my Jonis records. I had no idea Dory was older than my Mother. Gosh,86! I read her autobiography 'Bog trotter' many years ago and thought she was a most interesting artist. Thanks for sending this Anita On 15 February 2012 13:48, Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm not sure if Azeem is still on this list, but I noticed his posting on > Facebook last night that Dory Previn had died. I've always loved her dark, > confessional and often very funny songs.B Here's a good bio from the New > York > Times. There is a Joni mention near the top. > --------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/arts/music/dory-previn-songwriter-is-dead-a > t-86.html > > Dory Previn, Songwriter, Is Dead at 86 > By BRUCE WEBER > Published: > February 14, 2012 > > Dory Previn, the lyricist for three Oscar-nominated songs > who as a composer and performer mined her difficult childhood, bouts of > mental > illness and a very public divorce to create a potent and influential > personal > songbook, died on Tuesday at her home in Southfield, Mass. She was 86. > > Her > death was confirmed by her husband, Joby Baker. > > Ms. Previn rose to prominence > as a singer-songwriter with a substantial cult following in the early 1970s > and she enriched a period in pop music history that also saw the emergence > of > Joni Mitchell, Carole King and Laura Nyro. > > She never became as widely known > as they were (though she did record a live double album at Carnegie Hall), > partly because her voice was never as big as theirs, but also because her > lyrics b frank and dark, even when tinged with humor, and often wincingly > confessional b were not the stuff of pop radio. They were, however, clear > antecedents of the work of later balladeers like Sinead Ob Connor and > Suzanne > Vega. > > In b With My Daddy in the Attic,b Ms. Previn wrote of her > complicated relationship with her disturbed father. In b Estherb s First > Communion,b she wrote about a girlb s indoctrination into religious ritual > and her revulsion at it. In b Yada Yada La Scala,b she wrote about women > in > a mental hospital. In b Lemon Haired Ladies,b she wrote about an older > woman pining for a younger man: > > Whatever you give me > Ib ll take as it comes > Discarding self-pity > Ib ll manage with crumbs. > > Unusually for a pop singer of > the day, Ms. Previnb s background was in neither folk nor rock. Her early > success came in Hollywood, writing songs for the movies, generally as a > lyricist working with her husband, AndrC) Previn, who later earned fame as > a > classical composer and conductor. > > Together they were nominated for two > Academy Awards: in 1960 for b Faraway Part of Town,b from b Pepe,b and > in 1962 for b Second Chance,b from b Two for the Seesaw.b But their > best-known collaboration was the theme from the 1967 film version of > Jacqueline Susannb s drug-soaked show-business novel b Valley of the > Dollsb (later recorded by Dionne Warwick), which begins: > > Gotta get off, > gonna get > Have to get off from this ride > Gotta get hold, gonna get > Need to get > hold of my pride. > > The halting, almost stammering progression of laments, Ms. > Previn later said, came from her own experience of relying on pills. > > In 1969, > working with the composer Fred Karlin, Ms. Previn earned a third Oscar > nomination, for b Come Saturday Morningb from b The Sterile Cuckoo,b > which became a hit for the Sandpipers. > > By then, however, the Previn marriage > was in a shambles. Mr. Previn had begun an affair with the actress Mia > Farrow, > then in her early 20s, whom he later married, and Ms. Previn, who had a > history of emotional fragility and mental illness, fell apart. Fearful of > traveling in general and of flying in particular, she had a breakdown on an > airplane that was waiting to take off, shouted unintelligibly and tore at > her > clothes, and spent several months in a psychiatric hospital. > > The episode, as > awful as it was, proved to be a turning point in her life and career. > > Her > first album afterward, b On My Way to Whereb (1970) b the title was a > reference to the airplane debacle b included perhaps her most famous song, > b Beware of Young Girls,b about Ms. Farrow, and received polarized > reviews. > On her second, b Mythical Kings and Iguanasb (1971), many critics noticed > a > growing vocal confidence. Her third, b Reflections in a Mud Puddle/Taps > Tremors and Time Stepsb (1971), included a pained report of and reflection > on her fatherb s death, and drew praise from the New York Times music > critic > Don Heckman. > > b Ms. Previn is no great singer, her guitar playing is only > adequate, and her melodies sometimes have an uncomfortable tendency to > move in > too-familiar directions,b he wrote. b But her message is stated so > brilliantly in her lyrics, and the tales she has to tell are so important, > that they make occasional musical inadequacies fade away.b > > Dorothy Veronica > Langan was born in New Jersey b sources differ on the town, Rahway or > Woodbridge b on Oct. 22, 1925, and she grew up in Woodbridge. Her father, > Michael, was a laborer and a frustrated musician who pushed her toward > music > and dance. He had also been deranged, Ms. Previn wrote in a 1976 memoir, by > his service in World War I. He had been gassed, she wrote, and he was > convinced the gassing had made him sterile; therefore she could not be his > daughter. For a while he locked himself in the attic. > > Ms. Previn left home as > a teenager and worked in summer stock and in commercials and sang in small > clubs, writing new verses to popular songs. Her work came to the attention > of > Arthur Freed, the producer of MGM movie musicals like b An American in > Parisb and b Singinb in the Rain,b who hired her for MGM, where she met > Mr. Previn. They married in 1959. She had been married and divorced > previously. > > In addition to her husband, Mr. Baker, a painter whom she met in > the 1970s and married in 1986, she is survived by three stepchildren, > Michele > Wayland, Fredricka Baker and Scott Zimmerman, and six step-grandchildren. > > In > the 1980s, Ms. Previn and Mr. Previn reconciled as friends, and she came to > loathe the fact that she was best known for their breakup. But the pain and > grief were the foundation of her art. In the hospital after her breakdown, > she > was encouraged to write down her feelings, and they emerged as poems. > > b I > was always afraid to write music,b she said in 1970. b I wouldnb t have > presumed to with a musician like AndrC) around the house. But I play a > little > guitar. So I started working them out on the guitar, thinking I could > interest > some singer in recording them and thatb s how all these songs were born.b > This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: > Correction: February 14, 2012 > > An earlier version of this article referred to > b On the Way to Whereb (1970) as Ms. Previnb s first album, but in the > 1950s she recorded the album b The Leprechauns Are Upon Meb under the name > Dory Langdon. That version of the article also referred incorrectly to the > 1970 albumb s title; it is b On My Way to Where.b > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Here's a > selection of her songs on Youtube. > > > Did Jesus have a baby sister:B > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Ql4p5ikno > > Stone for Bessie Smith:B > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwl6pUKZRZ8 > > > The Lady with the Braid:B > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4rExrR19M > > > The Midget's Lament:B > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWC2aD023Vo > > Angels and Devils the Following > day:B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjDugDPHqTg ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #37 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe