From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #13 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 28 2012 Volume 2012 : Number 013 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Hana Film [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Hana Film [c Karma ] RE: Hana Film [c Karma ] RE: Hana Film [c Karma ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:35:38 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Hana Film Oh I'm sure you are right ... my memory is foggy!! From: c Karma [mailto:ckarma@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:32 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film Begging to differ on that. Geraldo came from WABC-TV Channel 7 where he did his breakthrough Willowbrook State Hospital story. I think Ernie started at WABC too (a Wiki search should end that speculation), but is now on WNYE (formerly WNEW) Channel 5. Damn, Ernie has some FINE neckties. Do a Google search to refresh Ernie's on-air gaffe a few years ago. The video is pretty amusing. CC ________________________________ From: sem8@cornell.edu To: ckarma@hotmail.com; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:25:54 +0000 Interesting!! There were three channels in NYC = WPIX - Channel 11 (showed all the Yankee games); WOR-TV Channel 9; and Channel 5. I think it was the Channel 5 news that introduced the star that would be Geraldo Rivera! (plus Ernie Anastos). From: c Karma [mailto:ckarma@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:19 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film My first recollection of that theme, "Tara Theme" was similarly associated... not with "Gone With The Wind" but with "Million Dollar Movie" on WOR-TV Channel 9 (yes that's right, 3 call letters) as the score under the introductory title. And, since "Million Dollar Movie" ran "King Kong" (1933) exclusively on Thanksgiving Day, I for years associated Tara Theme with the big ape. It's almost OK, since Max Steiner did the score for "King Kong" as well as "Gone With The Wind" AND, um, "White Banners." Strange path of association, eh? CC > From: sem8@cornell.edu > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Hana Film > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:45:28 +0000 > > One of my fondest memories is laying on the floor in my Nana's living room in West Orange, NJ, with coke and fruit loops, watching the 5'oclock movie ... the opening was the theme song to Gone From the Wind and until I saw that movie a couple of years later I always referred to that tune as the 5 o'clock movie song. Our favorites were the Busby Berkeleys and my Nana had a huge crush on Cary Grant!! :-) Every time I see one of these old movies I miss my Nana. > > Sue > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c Karma > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:23 PM > To: passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Hana Film > > Through various discussions over the past few years, the list has surmised that the film that inspired the song "Hana," even though Joni spells the name differently is this one, "White Banners" from 1938. I believe that she may have made reference to an unnamed movie having provided the groundwork for the song in some interviews she gave around the time that "Shine" was released. > It seems to fit, especially with the back story about a child given up for adoption. I can imagine Joni having a special attachment for this film given the pain she felt having lost Kilauren all those years. I can't say that she has embraced all of Hanna's philosophy but there is no question that Joni can't have created what she has without a great degree of positivity. > I, personally speculate that this is the film that she refers to in the line, "Last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on Channel 5" in Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Back in the '70s, New York's Channel 5 was WNEW, an independent station that was starved for programming (prior to becoming a FOX network station). It devoted a large amount of its broadcast time to movie re-runs. It was also the station that originated the catch phrase, "It's 10pm. Do you know where your children are?" > Ouch.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3u3TA0sdM&list=FLGPnErDC-ZdFZmiRSmwO6Yg > &index=1&feature=plpp_video > > CC > > To: ckarma@hotmail.com > Subject: Hana Film > From: passscribe@aol.com > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:24:56 -0500 > > Just wondering why you chose to recommend this film on the JMDL. Any connection to Joni or her family? > > > > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:22:43 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Hana Film Through various discussions over the past few years, the list has surmised that the film that inspired the song "Hana," even though Joni spells the name differently is this one, "White Banners" from 1938. I believe that she may have made reference to an unnamed movie having provided the groundwork for the song in some interviews she gave around the time that "Shine" was released. It seems to fit, especially with the back story about a child given up for adoption. I can imagine Joni having a special attachment for this film given the pain she felt having lost Kilauren all those years. I can't say that she has embraced all of Hanna's philosophy but there is no question that Joni can't have created what she has without a great degree of positivity. I, personally speculate that this is the film that she refers to in the line, "Last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on Channel 5" in Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Back in the '70s, New York's Channel 5 was WNEW, an independent station that was starved for programming (prior to becoming a FOX network station). It devoted a large amount of its broadcast time to movie re-runs. It was also the station that originated the catch phrase, "It's 10pm. Do you know where your children are?" Ouch.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3u3TA0sdM&list=FLGPnErDC-ZdFZmiRSmwO6Yg &index=1&feature=plpp_video CC To: ckarma@hotmail.com Subject: Hana Film From: passscribe@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:24:56 -0500 Just wondering why you chose to recommend this film on the JMDL. Any connection to Joni or her family? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:32:03 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Hana Film Begging to differ on that. Geraldo came from WABC-TV Channel 7 where he did his breakthrough Willowbrook State Hospital story. I think Ernie started at WABC too (a Wiki search should end that speculation), but is now on WNYE (formerly WNEW) Channel 5. Damn, Ernie has some FINE neckties. Do a Google search to refresh Ernie's on-air gaffe a few years ago. The video is pretty amusing. CC From: sem8@cornell.edu To: ckarma@hotmail.com; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:25:54 +0000 Interesting!! There were three channels in NYC = WPIX  Channel 11 (showed all the Yankee games); WOR-TV Channel 9; and Channel 5. I think it was the Channel 5 news that introduced the star that would be Geraldo Rivera! (plus Ernie Anastos). From: c Karma [mailto:ckarma@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:19 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film My first recollection of that theme, "Tara Theme" was similarly associated... not with "Gone With The Wind" but with "Million Dollar Movie" on WOR-TV Channel 9 (yes that's right, 3 call letters) as the score under the introductory title. And, since "Million Dollar Movie" ran "King Kong" (1933) exclusively on Thanksgiving Day, I for years associated Tara Theme with the big ape. It's almost OK, since Max Steiner did the score for "King Kong" as well as "Gone With The Wind" AND, um, "White Banners." Strange path of association, eh? CC > From: sem8@cornell.edu > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Hana Film > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:45:28 +0000 > > One of my fondest memories is laying on the floor in my Nana's living room in West Orange, NJ, with coke and fruit loops, watching the 5'oclock movie ... the opening was the theme song to Gone From the Wind and until I saw that movie a couple of years later I always referred to that tune as the 5 o'clock movie song. Our favorites were the Busby Berkeleys and my Nana had a huge crush on Cary Grant!! :-) Every time I see one of these old movies I miss my Nana. > > Sue > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c Karma > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:23 PM > To: passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Hana Film > > Through various discussions over the past few years, the list has surmised that the film that inspired the song "Hana," even though Joni spells the name differently is this one, "White Banners" from 1938. I believe that she may have made reference to an unnamed movie having provided the groundwork for the song in some interviews she gave around the time that "Shine" was released. > It seems to fit, especially with the back story about a child given up for adoption. I can imagine Joni having a special attachment for this film given the pain she felt having lost Kilauren all those years. I can't say that she has embraced all of Hanna's philosophy but there is no question that Joni can't have created what she has without a great degree of positivity. > I, personally speculate that this is the film that she refers to in the line, "Last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on Channel 5" in Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Back in the '70s, New York's Channel 5 was WNEW, an independent station that was starved for programming (prior to becoming a FOX network station). It devoted a large amount of its broadcast time to movie re-runs. It was also the station that originated the catch phrase, "It's 10pm. Do you know where your children are?" > Ouch.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3u3TA0sdM&list=FLGPnErDC-ZdFZmiRSmwO6Yg > &index=1&feature=plpp_video > > CC > > To: ckarma@hotmail.com > Subject: Hana Film > From: passscribe@aol.com > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:24:56 -0500 > > Just wondering why you chose to recommend this film on the JMDL. Any connection to Joni or her family? > > > > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:06:18 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Hana Film ...feuilles. Peel back the mille feuilles. What a filling, though. CC Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:51:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Hana Film From: daligay@googlemail.com To: sem8@cornell.edu CC: ckarma@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org Thanks very much for this wonderful wee film, cKarma. It has so many things that resonate with me in regard to Joni. "Would you like to come in where it's warm?" makes me think of "Come in from the cold." and I've heard Joni talk of the importance of "having a good heart" which Hannah has in spades in this movie.I sat in tonight and watched it and felt quite moved thinking of Joni at this time and everything that has gone in to make her the person she is including the heartbreak of living knowing your child is growing up without you and the courage it must take to live with that. This was a surprising and heartwarming story, quite inspirational.Lots of thoughts for a good life/heart in it as well.Again, thankyou . On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: Oh I'm sure you are right ... my memory is foggy!! From: c Karma [mailto:ckarma@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:32 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film Begging to differ on that. Geraldo came from WABC-TV Channel 7 where he did his breakthrough Willowbrook State Hospital story. I think Ernie started at WABC too (a Wiki search should end that speculation), but is now on WNYE (formerly WNEW) Channel 5. Damn, Ernie has some FINE neckties. Do a Google search to refresh Ernie's on-air gaffe a few years ago. The video is pretty amusing. CC ________________________________ From: sem8@cornell.edu To: ckarma@hotmail.com; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:25:54 +0000 Interesting!! There were three channels in NYC = WPIX - Channel 11 (showed all the Yankee games); WOR-TV Channel 9; and Channel 5. I think it was the Channel 5 news that introduced the star that would be Geraldo Rivera! (plus Ernie Anastos). From: c Karma [mailto:ckarma@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:19 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Hana Film My first recollection of that theme, "Tara Theme" was similarly associated... not with "Gone With The Wind" but with "Million Dollar Movie" on WOR-TV Channel 9 (yes that's right, 3 call letters) as the score under the introductory title. And, since "Million Dollar Movie" ran "King Kong" (1933) exclusively on Thanksgiving Day, I for years associated Tara Theme with the big ape. It's almost OK, since Max Steiner did the score for "King Kong" as well as "Gone With The Wind" AND, um, "White Banners." Strange path of association, eh? CC > From: sem8@cornell.edu > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Hana Film > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:45:28 +0000 > > One of my fondest memories is laying on the floor in my Nana's living room in West Orange, NJ, with coke and fruit loops, watching the 5'oclock movie ... the opening was the theme song to Gone From the Wind and until I saw that movie a couple of years later I always referred to that tune as the 5 o'clock movie song. Our favorites were the Busby Berkeleys and my Nana had a huge crush on Cary Grant!! :-) Every time I see one of these old movies I miss my Nana. > > Sue > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c Karma > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:23 PM > To: passscribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Hana Film > > Through various discussions over the past few years, the list has surmised that the film that inspired the song "Hana," even though Joni spells the name differently is this one, "White Banners" from 1938. I believe that she may have made reference to an unnamed movie having provided the groundwork for the song in some interviews she gave around the time that "Shine" was released. > It seems to fit, especially with the back story about a child given up for adoption. I can imagine Joni having a special attachment for this film given the pain she felt having lost Kilauren all those years. I can't say that she has embraced all of Hanna's philosophy but there is no question that Joni can't have created what she has without a great degree of positivity. > I, personally speculate that this is the film that she refers to in the line, "Last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on Channel 5" in Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Back in the '70s, New York's Channel 5 was WNEW, an independent station that was starved for programming (prior to becoming a FOX network station). It devoted a large amount of its broadcast time to movie re-runs. It was also the station that originated the catch phrase, "It's 10pm. Do you know where your children are?" > Ouch.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3u3TA0sdM&list=FLGPnErDC-ZdFZmiRSmwO6Yg > &index=1&feature=plpp_video > > CC > > To: ckarma@hotmail.com > Subject: Hana Film > From: passscribe@aol.com > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:24:56 -0500 > > Just wondering why you chose to recommend this film on the JMDL. Any connection to Joni or her family? > > > > > Ken ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2012 #13 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe