From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #410 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 19 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 410 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My So Called Joni Progression. [Happy The Man ] Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Vanity Fair Feb 2012 [Moni Kellermann ] RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? [Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: My So Called Joni Progression. I will echo all and say what a cool thread. I was a huge CSNY fan and if it wasn't Matthew Southern Comfort Band I probably wouldn't have hitched my ride to the Joni train. It was not until "Court & Spark" album was introduced to me by Cam that I would have gone many years without hearing or even "god forbid" never heard her at all. So as I can remember and those days were quite the fuzz ball: (LP1) Played on my JC Penney's Turntable with detachable speakers - Usually listened through Optimus Headphones sitting in a brown bean bag chair staring at my Easy Rider Poster and Richard Nixon Spiro Agnew Easy Rider Poster (Cass) Had a Craig detachable cassette (FM Radio) in my 63 Chevy Truck. AM only came on to hear Dodger games. I had put bucket seats in the truck and two Optimus speakers that sat on the floor between the seats so if I needed someone to sit next to me I put a pillow on the speakers. I traveled many of road's in that truck. (LP2) B&O system circa 1976 with a Nakamichi Cass (CD) Some Sony (I came really late to this party :) and a 89 Chevy Truck, 91 Ford Explorer, etc... (Digital Era) Court & Spark (LP1) *...weighing the beauty and the imperfection to see if i'm worthy...* For The Roses (LP1) ...*we start our so kind and end so heartlessly....* Miles of Aisle's (Cass) ...*And she's so busy being free...* * * - --I remember hearing Cactus Tree on MOA and just falling in love and quickly going and buying: Song to a Seagull (LP1) *...I can't go back anymore, you know my keys won't fit the door...* Clouds (LP1) *...well something's lost but something's gained in living every day...* Ladies of the Canyon (LP1) ...*now the trials are trumpet scored...* * * Natural progression would be Blue but HIssing came out and Blue had missed until after Hejira Also I was doing deliveries for a construction material company from Bakersfield to San Diego and put my cassette deck and speakers in my company truck. Hissing (Cass) *...with the earth spinning and the sky forever rushing...* Hejira (Cass) *...whether you travel the breadth of extremities or stick to some straighter line... * Blue (LP2) ..*.i want to belong to the living.... * My heart was broken during this time (circa 1977) DJRD (LP2) *...i'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake...* Mingus (LP2) *...and the one who keeps trying to love and trust and getting himself betrayed...* S & L (LP2) Pat's Solo...by now i'm hooked on Jazz with Joni to blame :). (Miles's albums, Weather Report, Lee Ritenour, Return to Forever and John Coltrane... WTRF (LP2) ...*oh sometimes the light can be so hard to find....* DED (LP2) ...*on and on the human greed profanes....* CMIARS (LP2) ...*the old hate the young that's the whole heartless thing...* * * I will admit that I was waning in my Joni love at this point, though I always waited with ...baited breath for the next release knowing there were crumbs and morsels to devour. And then came... Night Ride Home (CD) ...*and the worst are full of compassion without mercy...* Turbulent Indigo (CD) ...*let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness...* * * and then this wonderful tool on my computer in 1994 called WebCrawler that let me find this list of compatriots and we all gathered together waiting for the next release in a community of believers: Taming the Tiger (CD) *...we should just surrender let fate and duty shape us...* Both Sides Now (CD) I will never forget sitting in my truck hearing Both Sides Now on KGSR the Sunday evening before the release thinking about Wally's recent passing and weeping in my pickup. Jody Denberg comes on after the song is over and talks about Wally his website creation, his relationship to Joni and ends with this tribute to Wally: *Sweet Bird you are briefer then a falling star....* I have always felt that "Both Sides Now" is a tribute to Wally. Shine (Digital & CD) ...*Shie on all the churches they all love less and less...* * * So my memory wasn't so fuzzy after all. Peace, Craig NP: Joni Mitchell - Good Friends ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:32:52 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? Ha! It worked much better to learn licks off cassette Craig....rewind button! And there were certain Marantz decks you could buy with 1/2 speed motor switch which helped too! Albums were much better for smoking bongs to, where the only decision you had to make was "side 1 or side 2". Dave On Jan 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Happy The Man wrote: > Though I assume you destroyed a few albums over the years learning them licks along the way. I remember those lovely summer days of headphones and bean bag chair. > > Peace, Craig > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > > From: Dave Blackburn > Sent: Tue Jan 17 10:07:55 CST 2012 > To: Marion Leffler > Cc: Lori Fye , Ken , joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? > > All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance of the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:17:20 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: what's your "Joni progression?" It's not available as far as I know, thank Zeus. Although I will say that Dave's playing was amazing, of course. I've been savoring my Mutts DVD this week and the clean sounds he makes combines with Robin and the band are just something else. Bob NP: Earl Bostic, "Where Or When" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:39:07 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I first heard "Blue" on the radio ... I purchased Court & Spark for my mother for Christmas then promptly stole it ... I heard Song for a Seagull at my aunt's house and bought that, Clouds, Blue, For the Roses, Miles of Ailes, Hissing, Hejira, Don Juan, Shadow & Light, Mingus, and Dog Eat Dog (it helped that Joni always released an album before Christmas, most of these were Christmas presents) ... then I went on this weird Joni hiatus ... I think it was because I was really poor during those years and busy raising a kid and working ... then one day I heard a song off of Night Ride Home (I think it was Come in From the Cold) and freaked out that Joni had a new album out. I completely missed Chalkmark. Then when Turbulent Indigo came out I went into full Joni obsession again, and had to learn how to play each song on the guitar (which I had picked up again after 15 years). It's frustrating that the technology keeps changing ... but I now have the whole catalog and a bunch of live stuff (courtesy of jmdl) on my Itunes. My vinyl is still around in my shed but I don't have a turntable ... I have to do something about that! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:52 AM To: Ken; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I was wrong! Mingus came along before Blue, LOTC, Shadow Play, Clouds, STAS ... I received it for my 21st birthday from a high school friend, just a few weeks after I'd moved to Phoenix, and of course I had to love that it opens with Happy Birthday ... ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:50:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue I was going to respond with a similar reply but you beat me to it, Lori The two albums are from two different time periods (even though they're only five years apart), Blue riding on the coat tails of the "Woodstock Sixties." Blue was also much easier for more people to grasp on a personal and emotional level, especially in 1971. Hejira is much more sophisticated and complex; I think it goes right over some people's heads (assuming they would even listen to it to begin with). The only reason it's so popular with Joniphiles is that there has been a progression of Joni's music and growth that only they/we understand and appreciate. Kenny B From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of "Hejira." Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. Lori Tioga, ND - -----Original Message----- From: onlyJMDL Digest To: onlyjoni-digest Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 5:57 am Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #398 onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 398 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 ["Gary Hanick" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 [gerard mclaughlin ] Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Lori Fye Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 I definitely agree with all the posts about "Hejira" -- the album and the song. I think of all of Joni's works, including "Blue", "Hejira" is the most universally relatable. It's timeless. The images she paints each of us has experienced in some deep way that she has managed to capture and express. Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. I guess the critics and the buying public would not accept the fact that one artist could create two masterpieces of equal value and content. To the general public, Joni's most "famous" songs happened before "Blue". To her real fans, the albums from "Blue" to "Hejira" were the artistic cornerstones of a career that we'll continue to follow with anticipation and delight till the end. - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 847 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - - -------- Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 Thanks for that, T Peckham !... it warms the cockles of my heart ! On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:42 AM, T Peckham wrote: > This is the kind of post that keeps me comin' back and checking in. Thanks, > Gerard! > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM, gerard mclaughlin > wrote: > > > I have never found Hejira depressing but then as a child Ingmar Bergman > > cheered me up so who am I to say. Just reading your post there , Susan > > lifted me out of some gloom that's been lurking. That song is medicine to > > me. Always has been.I remembber standing outside a bank at a bus stop > late > > one night here in Glasgow. It was snowing. I was bereft.Suddenly I saw > the > > moon reflected in the banks mirrorred windows. Accross the road an old > > hotel. There was a light on in a room up on the roof under the big > moon.I,m > > seeing all this in the actual mirrors of a modern bank ! In that instant > I > > was lifted out of my loneliness. I imagined Joni standing at that window > > behind the curtain looking down at me. I could see white flags of winter > > chimneys waving truce against the moon > > > > .Joni has sometimes referred to herself as a witness and on that > occasion I > > felt her witnessing me, one of her fans thousands of miles away. The > memory > > has never left me. Lots of us say she has been the soundtrack to our > lives. > > That night it was all a bit more than a soundtrack for me. She is part of > > the journey as far as I'm concerned and I fall in and out with her like a > > lover or a friend but she's there.Ah there is medicine in her work. I;m > > glad your friend got it. Many of mine just don;t get her and don,t even > > want to try. Sometimes it,s lonely loving Joni but it is worth it ! Sorry > > to go on but your post brought it all back to life. Oh I love Hejira. > > > > > > > > > -- > "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." > ---Louise Bourgeois - - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #847 ***************************** - - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - - ------- - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:42:22 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 Here here ! I'll raise my glass to that ...and my hat and three cheers as well. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: > I definitely agree with all the posts about "Hejira" -- the album and > the song. I think of all of Joni's works, including "Blue", "Hejira" is > the most universally relatable. It's timeless. The images she paints > each of us has experienced in some deep way that she has managed to > capture and express. Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. I guess the > critics and the buying public would not accept the fact that one artist > could create two masterpieces of equal value and content. To the general > public, Joni's most "famous" songs happened before "Blue". To her real > fans, the albums from "Blue" to "Hejira" were the artistic cornerstones > of a career that we'll continue to follow with anticipation and delight > till the end. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:00 AM > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number > 847 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [gerard mclaughlin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:17:35 +0000 > From: gerard mclaughlin > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > > Thanks for that, T Peckham !... it warms the cockles of my heart ! > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:42 AM, T Peckham > wrote: > > > This is the kind of post that keeps me comin' back and checking in. > Thanks, > > Gerard! > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM, gerard mclaughlin > > wrote: > > > > > I have never found Hejira depressing but then as a child Ingmar > Bergman > > > cheered me up so who am I to say. Just reading your post there , > Susan > > > lifted me out of some gloom that's been lurking. That song is > medicine to > > > me. Always has been.I remembber standing outside a bank at a bus > stop > > late > > > one night here in Glasgow. It was snowing. I was bereft.Suddenly I > saw > > the > > > moon reflected in the banks mirrorred windows. Accross the road an > old > > > hotel. There was a light on in a room up on the roof under the big > > moon.I,m > > > seeing all this in the actual mirrors of a modern bank ! In that > instant > > I > > > was lifted out of my loneliness. I imagined Joni standing at that > window > > > behind the curtain looking down at me. I could see white flags of > winter > > > chimneys waving truce against the moon > > > > > > .Joni has sometimes referred to herself as a witness and on that > > occasion I > > > felt her witnessing me, one of her fans thousands of miles away. The > > memory > > > has never left me. Lots of us say she has been the soundtrack to our > > lives. > > > That night it was all a bit more than a soundtrack for me. She is > part of > > > the journey as far as I'm concerned and I fall in and out with her > like a > > > lover or a friend but she's there.Ah there is medicine in her work. > I;m > > > glad your friend got it. Many of mine just don;t get her and don,t > even > > > want to try. Sometimes it,s lonely loving Joni but it is worth it ! > Sorry > > > to go on but your post brought it all back to life. Oh I love > Hejira. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of > expressing." > > ---Louise Bourgeois > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #847 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:55:18 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of "Hejira." Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. Lori Tioga, ND - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:46:58 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: 40th Anniversary of the Summer of Love Title: 40th Anniversary of the Summer of Love Publication: POSTCITY.COM Date: 2009.07.0 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2463 - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #398 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:23:39 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Vanity Fair Feb 2012 Am 17.01.2012 06:15, Wie Mary Morris so vortrefflich formulierte: > Imagine my utter delight& surprise when I opened my pages of Vanity Fair& > found a decent article about architecture titled : They Paved Paradise and > Live in a Parking Lot. For those who want to open their browsers to read it: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/02/lincoln-road-201202 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:35:51 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? I agree so much, Dave, and I also love the idea of a concept album, since I still adore some of the old rock opera thematic albums, Tommy and Quadrophenia, Passion Play, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway ... do we see anything with this type of breadth anymore? Plus the idea of a 12 to 15 minute track ... I know it's all so quaint and pretentious, blah blah ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:08 AM To: Marion Leffler Cc: Lori Fye; Ken; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira & Blue - now your Joni progression? All these posts about albums that grew on us over time endorse the importance of the ALBUM as a format. Although individual tracks might grow on you over time they are like atomized sentences (the Twitter phenomenon) instead of as a coherent set of paragraphs making a cogent argument. The demise of the album format is very unfortunate for both the serious artist and the fans alike. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:29:57 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen There's a great Prog-rock version of "Down To You" out there, recorded by Colosseum II on their album "Strange New Flesh" (even naming the album after the song). Gary Moore (Thin Lizzy) plays guitar. I would also argue that "Sex Kills" by Roine Stolt is more Prog than anything, I prefer it to Joni's version. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Unsatisfied" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:36:58 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 That's certainly true Lori, but everyone has always looked beyond the top 20 singles to find the good music. For me, the leap in sophistication from Blue to Hejira is almost too big to comprehend, and that they were only five years apart. Joni's musical contemporaries understood Blue musically even if they marveled at the intimacy she was prepared to put into song- the piano pieces were fairly simple, the dulcimer/guitar tunes were still coming from a roots (avoiding "folk" here) place. Hejira was something else entirely, and left her musical cohorts bewildered (Max Bennett confirmed this when he said that when he asked Robben Ford what she was doing guitar-wise on C&S, Robben replied "I have no idea!"). Jaco had freed her from the "picket fence" style of bass work she had come to expect, the tunings became more exotic, the double and triple tracked guitars created an enveloping sonic depth and the lyrics have no equal to this day. I dread to think what the "average" person listens to today. Maybe they don't even know. My students bring in songs they say they really like but don't even have the curiosity to find out who they are by... just tracks in the ether. Dave On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Lori Fye wrote: >> Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before >> "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #410 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe