From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #406 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 18 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 406 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Progression [gerard mclaughlin ] what's your "Joni progression?" [Paul Ivice ] Re: Obscure Joni Reference [gerard mclaughlin ] Re: My Joni Progression [Lori Fye ] My Joni Progression [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #884 ["Gary Hanick" ] Re: what's your "Joni progression?" [gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Joni Progression I was coming up the escalator out of the subway at Hillhead in Glasgow. It was a cold, miserably grey and wet afternoon. As I got to the top of the moving stairs there she was. A giant poster behind glass and all lit up of Joni with a bandage on her ear in a Russian hat. Awesome. Suddenly the weather didn't matter.Nothing did except Turbulent Indigo. That's how I discovered she had a new album coming out.I ran along to the record store but it wasn't there yet. Every time I got the whiff of a new one I was like a woman in labour. When the baby was born generally I thought it ugly and disappointing esp Hejira, DJRD and Mingus (which really put my ears to the test) resulting in periods of puerperal depression during which I had to train myself/my ear to discover what this unruly new brat was trying to say to me.Those were trying times and I kid you not.Thank gawd I listened because they changed my world really. Turbulent Indigo I loved on first hearing...she was singing again but I'd grown to love the ugly babies by now so her getting back to melodies that I could recognise as tunes with varying degrees of normal prettiness didn't have the imagined effect I'd been hoping for and although I especially like the song Turbulent Indigo and the artwork I listen to the other odd children much more. I have never understood though what the first verse of Turbulent Indigo means or at least the first couple of lines. Maybe I sing the wrong words entirely They wanna make Van goughs Dress 'em up like sheep make 'em outa/into eskimos or women if you please.... The rest I get but what does all that mean? Anybody know? On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Michael Sentance wrote: > The pathways discussed have been fun to read. > > I started with the other interpreters: Tom Rush and Judy Collins. At this > point, I can't recall which one I heard first but I do recall when I > learned that someone else had written these songs that I loved. I was at a > Tom Rush concert. > > Joan Something. > > So I picked up "Song to a Seagull" as soon as my meager earnings would > allow. And I bought every album after that until "Don Juan's Reckless > Daughter". As may be suggested by my history, I was more of a "folkie" > than a jazz fan so her evolution eluded me. > > A few years ago, in a dark period, I returned. I picked up "Turbulent > Indigo" and was brought back under her spell. I have sought to complete my > collection of everything and anything. > > And as I await Leonard Cohen's latest release, I still would love to find > something else in CD bin from that girl from Saskatoon. > > Joan Something. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ivice Subject: what's your "Joni progression?" Senior year of high school, age 16, I missed most of spring semester because of mono and had to repeat English in summer school to graduate. While I did my term paper that summer of '71 on H.G. Wells, having just turned 17 that June, TWO of the cutest girls in my class did theirs on the Blue album, which had just come out. So by the end of summer, I had made Blue the second vinyl album I ever purchased with my own money (Simon & Garfunkle's Bookends was the first). While attending a small Illinois college that fall, I had borrowed an 8-track copy of Ladies of the Canyon, which I played repeatedly deep into the night to settle me down as I stared into a fireplace in the student union during my first acid trip. I saw Joni in concert for the first time in February 1972, when I also discovered Jackson Browne, who opened for Joni and whose first album had yet to be released. As I recall, Joni performed Urge For Going that night, but also was introducing some songs from For The Roses, which was released soon after. About the time FTR was released, I picked up Songs To A Seagull and Clouds,so by the time Court and Spark came out, my Joni collection was complete. I saw Joni twice in 1974, first in January at the Chicago Auditorium, then again in a summer outdoor concert at Ravinia in north suburban Chicago. I bought Miles of Aisles as soon as it was released; it was so much like her concert at Ravinia.. I heard HOSL at the home of a close friend when it first came out, and bought it the next day. Hejira came out my senior year in college. Listened to that for the first time at a small party with some friends/co-workers from the college newspaper. I still remember Lori O. and Anna in a friendly argument over whether dreams were false alarms. Lori said not. Hejira was moodier, colder than HOSL and took a little longer to appreciate, though I think Refuge of the Roads was the first song from H that I loved. Today, I would say my favorite song from H is Black Crow. By the mid-'70s I was not only into rock music, but had been drawn into jazz by Weather Report and John McLaughlin & the Mahavishnu Orchestra before exploring more "traditional" forms of jazz, so I loved DJRD and Mingus immediately when they came out, as well as Shadows & Light. When Wild Things Run Fast came out, it was not very popular, but I loved it and defended it against its detractors. It was the last Joni album I really enjoyed. It was the preachiness and arrogance of Dog Eat Dog that turned me off to Joni for a while. I remember watching her on TV performing the title track of DED at that Farm-Aid concert and wondering what had happened to her. It was like she had suddenly become cynical and drunk and was boring everyone in some dark cafC). Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm wasn't much better, though I liked Night Ride Home a little bit. Turbulent Indigo did not grab me the way her earlier albums did, nor did Taming the Tiger, though I bought them all, hoping for a resurgence of the spark I'd seen in her earlier music, but I did not see it in any of her later albums. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:50:12 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Obscure Joni Reference What a hoot ! Maybe her next album will be called Scrapie and there'll be a Song for Dolly on it too. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > "Blu-oooh-hoo". > > A blue shift describes "the wavelength of radiation emitted by an > approaching celestial object as a result of the Doppler Effect." > > Jim L'Hommedieu > Ohio, US > > > > > From: "John McGloin" > > > Subject: Obscure Joni Reference > > Can I make a claim for the most obscure b obscure Joni Mitchell referenceb > . On a tv programme - University Challenge - on the BBC, the opening > question was: b What word links a viral disease of sheep, an album by Joni > Mitchell, a British rabbi and broadcaster and the decrease in the > wavelength of radiation emitted by an approaching celestial object as a > result of the Doppler Effectb ? The first answer was b scrapieb which had > me howling but as the average age is about 21, I guess understandable. > > First correct answer gets Renaissance Man/Woman of the month award.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:38:11 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: My Joni Progression > I always assumed that the Paprika Plains were in Canada? Or do they > stretch out into the Northern US? I seem to recall this was the homeland > of numerous Indian tribes which is sort of the theme to this song?? The Paprika Plains most definitely stretch down from Canada into the northern U.S., particularly into western North Dakota and eastern Montana. And yes, numerous Plains Indians tribes made -- and still make -- their homes here. Here's a glimpse of those plains ... it's a photo I snapped from just inside the structure that shelters the boulders at Writing Rock park: www.facebook.com/lrfye (Info on Writing Rock: http://history.nd.gov/historicsites/writingrock/) Lori Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:06:22 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: My Joni Progression I really am enjoying this thread......here is mine...... 1974 - First Album - Court & Spark - Met my first real love at 17 and Help Me was the theme song and my introduction to Joni I recall going home for weeks and listening to that album over and over - especially "The Same Situation " which would stay in my head daily for several months. 1974 - Second Album - Ladies of the Canyon - After I heard Court and Spark - - I knew I had to hear more from this artist so I purchased Ladies of the Canyon for no other reason than it was appealing to me aesthetically and it contained Woodstock which I already knew from CSNY. While I never warmed up to this album as I have many others, Conversation, Willy, Rainy Night House and The Arrangement were all special songs for me from this release. Morning Morgantown, The Priest, and Blue Boy are 3 songs that still remain distant to me to this day. While I love The Circle Game, I think Tom Rush's version is the better of all of the covers I have heard including the Original. 1974 - Third Album - Song to A Seagull - I think Joni's most underrated album of all of her material. I had a King, Marcie and the Dawntreader are 3 of my favorite songs she has composed throughout her career (Top 10) and I had a King may be my #1 favorite composition . 1974 - Miles of Aisles - Fourth Album - Purchased this after I saw the tour in Boston. The LA Express Rocks on this Album. I loved this tour and I thought her music fit so well with that band. I am sorry she moved on so quickly as I would have loved to see her make another studio album with these same musicians. 1975 - Fifth Album - Blue - No need to elaborate here. There is nothing on this album I don't adore. In my opinion, its the best compilation of music on 1 album ever released. Its Joni's finest hour and her masterpiece. 1975 - Sixth Album - For The Roses - To me - Her Second best album. Lesson in Survival is such a great song and one of those songs that I would listen to over and over when I was depressed or down in the dumps. Barangrill, Woman of Heart and Mind and Blonde in the Bleachers are astonishingly beautiful both musically and lyrically. The only song I never appreciated (and still don't) from this release is the title song. 1975 - Seventh Album Hissing - Bought this when it was released. A very good album but so so so different from her previous material. Edith, Harry's House and Scarlett are easily my 3 favorites here. To this day - I still skip over the Jungle Line. 1976 - Eighth Album - Hejira - I feel the same way most others do about this release - astonishingly beautiful - sophisticated and such a good piece of music to listen to when your high. Sharon, Hejira and Furry stand above everything else but the whole album is just so excellent 1976 - Ninth Album - Clouds - I sort of equate this with LOTC as far as overall quality There are some beautiful songs on this album including I Don't Know Where I Stand and Song About the Midway as the 2 highlights for me. Overall this album depresses me - the songs are dark and the melodies hauntingly depressing. Chelsea Morniing is the only upbeat song and it feels like it doesn't fit on this release. I also own DJRD, Shadows, Mingus and WTRF and purchased them shortly after they were released. While I occasionally listen to certain cuts from these releases, I have to admit that I fell off the Joni train after Hejira. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:12:41 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #884 Hi Paul: Beautiful. A friend of mine from college introduced me to Joni in 72 ("For the Roses" had just been released). It was astonishing. I remember my high school English teacher playing "Clouds" in class a few years earlier, but it had not really registered at the time). It seemed like all I "heard" that year was "For the Roses". I was in Europe that summer and they were playing it there constantly also. I bought "Court and Spark" the day it was released, and had also heard all of Joni's previous works by then. "Blue", of course, was my favorite from pre "FTR" days. By the time "Miles of Aisles" was released, Joni was on the cover of "Time" and it seemed like she now belonged to the world. I liked "Hissing", but was really blown away by "Hejira", which is still my favorite JM album. Those songs continue to speak to me and life itself. Of course I bought "Mingus" but never really "got" it until now. "Dry Cleaner" is brilliant! The 80's albums all had their moments. "Night Ride Home" seemed like a return. I love "Turbulent Indigo", still one of my favorites. Was a little "underwhelmed" by "TTT"; perhaps too many expectations after "TI"? "Hated" all the compilations -- kind of depressing to me. "Shine" also has its moments; it was exhilarating to finally hear NEW material from JM. Joni's work has touched my heart and life forever. I join the millions of others who say "I'm her biggest fan". I hope she still has it in her to record and release new material. Surely there are ways to get it out there. I disagree with her belief that she has no fan base and that no one has heard her music since C & S. Joni is never going to be Madonna, Britney, or Gaga. Her fan base is much smaller, but more willing to go through the changes with her and, dare I say, more intelligent! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:13 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #884 JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 18 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 884 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- what's your "Joni progression?" [Paul Ivice ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ivice Subject: what's your "Joni progression?" Senior year of high school, age 16, I missed most of spring semester because of mono and had to repeat English in summer school to graduate. While I did my term paper that summer of '71 on H.G. Wells, having just turned 17 that June, TWO of the cutest girls in my class did theirs on the Blue album, which had just come out. So by the end of summer, I had made Blue the second vinyl album I ever purchased with my own money (Simon & Garfunkle's Bookends was the first). While attending a small Illinois college that fall, I had borrowed an 8-track copy of Ladies of the Canyon, which I played repeatedly deep into the night to settle me down as I stared into a fireplace in the student union during my first acid trip. I saw Joni in concert for the first time in February 1972, when I also discovered Jackson Browne, who opened for Joni and whose first album had yet to be released. As I recall, Joni performed Urge For Going that night, but also was introducing some songs from For The Roses, which was released soon after. About the time FTR was released, I picked up Songs To A Seagull and Clouds,so by the time Court and Spark came out, my Joni collection was complete. I saw Joni twice in 1974, first in January at the Chicago Auditorium, then again in a summer outdoor concert at Ravinia in north suburban Chicago. I bought Miles of Aisles as soon as it was released; it was so much like her concert at Ravinia.. I heard HOSL at the home of a close friend when it first came out, and bought it the next day. Hejira came out my senior year in college. Listened to that for the first time at a small party with some friends/co-workers from the college newspaper. I still remember Lori O. and Anna in a friendly argument over whether dreams were false alarms. Lori said not. Hejira was moodier, colder than HOSL and took a little longer to appreciate, though I think Refuge of the Roads was the first song from H that I loved. Today, I would say my favorite song from H is Black Crow. By the mid-'70s I was not only into rock music, but had been drawn into jazz by Weather Report and John McLaughlin & the Mahavishnu Orchestra before exploring more "traditional" forms of jazz, so I loved DJRD and Mingus immediately when they came out, as well as Shadows & Light. When Wild Things Run Fast came out, it was not very popular, but I loved it and defended it against its detractors. It was the last Joni album I really enjoyed. It was the preachiness and arrogance of Dog Eat Dog that turned me off to Joni for a while. I remember watching her on TV performing the title track of DED at that Farm-Aid concert and wondering what had happened to her. It was like she had suddenly become cynical and drunk and was boring everyone in some dark cafC). Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm wasn't much better, though I liked Night Ride Home a little bit. Turbulent Indigo did not grab me the way her earlier albums did, nor did Taming the Tiger, though I bought them all, hoping for a resurgence of the spark I'd seen in her earlier music, but I did not see it in any of her later albums. Paul Ivice ;>) - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #884 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:40:55 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: what's your "Joni progression?" My sister played MOA constantly and I hated hearing that wailing wummin more than anything. One day she went out leaving it on the turntable and as I was about to turn it off I found myself sitting listening , astonished . Before I knew it I had tears in my eyes as she sang about getting her wings and fly-y-y-ing away. I have never looked back. I can't remember the progression from there on in but I got all of them except"the compilations" which I had the impulse just there to call "the consolations"for some bitter old reason I'm sure. I wanted more Joni not all that balloney.Anyway her married years were all not so hot for me although loads of the songs are great and some fab to dance to. When I heard Dancing Queen/Clown I thought I'd never live it down...the embarassment of it still clings like a cold wet thing to my senses. Hissing, Hejira, DRRD, FTR, MOA, they are my favourites. I don't listen much to the others with the exception of Mingus which I love although they all get an airing and when they do I do enjoy them.Sometimes I get hooked on one and stay with it for a while. I do rather like Chalkmark and more than like Turbulent Indigo and Night Ride Home and Taming the Tiger .I'll shut up now ! Great idea this progression ! On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Senior year of high school, age 16, I missed most of spring semester > because > of mono and had to repeat English in summer school to graduate. While I > did my > term paper that summer of '71 on H.G. Wells, having just turned 17 that > June, > TWO of the cutest girls in my class did theirs on the Blue album, which had > just come out. > So by the end of summer, I had made Blue the second vinyl album I ever > purchased with my own money (Simon & Garfunkle's Bookends was the first). > While attending a small Illinois college that fall, I had borrowed an > 8-track > copy of Ladies of the Canyon, which I played repeatedly deep into the > night to > settle me down as I stared into a fireplace in the student union during my > first acid trip. > I saw Joni in concert for the first time in February 1972, when I also > discovered Jackson Browne, who opened for Joni and whose first album had > yet > to be released. As I recall, Joni performed Urge For Going that night, but > also was introducing some songs from For The Roses, which was released soon > after. > About the time FTR was released, I picked up Songs To A Seagull and > Clouds,so > by the time Court and Spark came out, my Joni collection was complete. > I saw Joni twice in 1974, first in January at the Chicago Auditorium, then > again in a summer outdoor concert at Ravinia in north suburban Chicago. > I bought Miles of Aisles as soon as it was released; it was so much like > her > concert at Ravinia.. > I heard HOSL at the home of a close friend when it first came out, and > bought > it the next day. > Hejira came out my senior year in college. Listened to that for the first > time > at a small party with some friends/co-workers from the college newspaper. I > still remember Lori O. and Anna in a friendly argument over whether dreams > were false alarms. Lori said not. Hejira was moodier, colder than HOSL and > took a little longer to appreciate, though I think Refuge of the Roads was > the > first song from H that I loved. Today, I would say my favorite song from H > is > Black Crow. > By the mid-'70s I was not only into rock music, but had been drawn into > jazz > by Weather Report and John McLaughlin & the Mahavishnu Orchestra before > exploring more "traditional" forms of jazz, so I loved DJRD and Mingus > immediately when they came out, as well as Shadows & Light. > When Wild Things Run Fast came out, it was not very popular, but I loved it > and defended it against its detractors. It was the last Joni album I really > enjoyed. > It was the preachiness and arrogance of Dog Eat Dog that turned me off to > Joni > for a while. I remember watching her on TV performing the title track of > DED > at that Farm-Aid concert and wondering what had happened to her. It was > like > she had suddenly become cynical and drunk and was boring everyone in some > dark > cafC). > Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm wasn't much better, though I liked Night Ride > Home > a little bit. Turbulent Indigo did not grab me the way her earlier albums > did, > nor did Taming the Tiger, though I bought them all, hoping for a > resurgence of > the spark I'd seen in her earlier music, but I did not see it in any of her > later albums. > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:09:57 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: what's your "Joni progression?" oh, I'd love that. Where can I find it ? I feel I need to hear someone else doing it and hopefully doing it bad/ worse. Then the exorcism might finally take place and equilibrium restored after all these long years of avoiding/suffering ! Put a man out of his misery if you can ! On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM, wrote: > thought I'd never live it down...the embarassment of it still clings like > a > cold wet thing to my senses.> > > Haha, Gerard - maybe if you just heard the version I did with Dave > Blackburn...no, that wouldn't much change your opinion. > > Bob > > NP: Van Halen, "Light Up The Sky" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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John >----Original Message---- >From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org >Date: 18/01/2012 22:17 >To: >Subj: JMDL Digest V2011 #900 > >JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 18 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 900 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >-------- > My Joni progression ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:16:49 -0500 >From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" >Subject: My Joni progression > >In the beginning, I heard "Woodstock" on the radio as covers by Matthews >Southern Comfort and CSN. I thought that "Both Sides Now" and "Blowing >In The Wind" were from Woody Guthrie's generation. They seemed perfect >and timeless, like hymns. > >I read an article in Rolling Stone that said that the next hot category >of pop music was a newly-minted phrase, "singer-songwriter". I already >had "Sweet Baby James", so I thought RS might be on to something. > >I had seen Joni's name on the credits for "Tapestry" and began to >connect the dots. My Dad was a bit of a jazz fan and I had heard >Lambert, Hendricks and Ross. It was around that time that I saw the >L.A. Express open for George Harrison in Toronto. I was buying lots of >LPs then but I think it was not until 1974, when I bought my first JM >album, Court and Spark. When I realized that the same woman who covered >Annie Ross also wrote "The Circle Game", I knew she was worth pursuing. >I went backwards and forwards from there but I kept buying other artists >too. I was following the careers of ELP, Yes, and Carole King back then. > >It wasn't until I joined the JMDL that I realized how close I was to >having her whole catalog. Eventually, I bought "STaS" and "CMiaRS". I >have all of Joni's compilations, and studio releases. I have both live >albums but I don't have the Greenpeace album. I think that's the only >thing missing. > >Jim L'Hommedieu > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2011 #900 >***************************** > >------- >To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #406 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe