From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #399 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 399 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Joni as a Prog Queen ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #853 [Mary Morris ] Obscure Joni Reference ["John McGloin" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #855 [Rozanne Gates ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #849 ["anon anon " ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #861 ["Gary Hanick" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] Re: Hejira before Blue ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 ["anon anon " ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 [pat hillis ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 [pat hillis ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 ["Gary Hanick" ] Re: Obscure Joni Reference [Lori Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:51:51 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 THANK YOU! I'm a proponent of the idea that Joni is prog ... her interest in classical, jazz, and jazz fusion, makes it so ... although don't look for her on any prog lists, as the art crowd there is stingy on women ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of anon anon Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:21 AM To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org ; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 well I don't know... This was the time of progressive rock, which was pretty sophisticated in it`s way... - -----Original Message----- Date: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:58:05 am To: joni-digest@smoe.org From: JMDL Digest Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 850 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before "Blue", it would have > gotten the recognition it deserved. Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of "Hejira." Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. Lori Tioga, ND - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #850 ************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:18:09 +0000 (GMT) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen All, Just imagine the songs if she was backed by a prog band. Tortured personal relationships with mythological creatures? Vocal duets with Moogs. She did enough in odd time signatures. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:19:37 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 How about DED ? That had pretty edgy sounds, for her. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:18:15 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 865 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni as a Prog Queen ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:18:09 +0000 (GMT) > From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen > > All, > > Just imagine the songs if she was backed by a prog band. Tortured > personal relationships with mythological creatures? Vocal duets with > Moogs. She did enough in odd time signatures. > > John > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:54:00 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 Pat Hillis!!! Yeah, thanks for delurking with this spot-on comment!! Hope you are well, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of pat hillis Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:42 PM To: joni@smoe.org; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 let's not forget the leap from "Blue" to "For the Roses"....a masterpiece and probably (for me) the most sophisticated album... ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:39:59 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 854 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 That's certainly true Lori, but everyone has always looked beyond the top 20 singles to find the good music. For me, the leap in sophistication from Blue to Hejira is almost too big to comprehend, and that they were only five years apart. Joni's musical contemporaries understood Blue musically even if they marveled at the intimacy she was prepared to put into song- the piano pieces were fairly simple, the dulcimer/guitar tunes were still coming from a roots (avoiding "folk" here) place. Hejira was something else entirely, and left her musical cohorts bewildered (Max Bennett confirmed this when he said that when he asked Robben Ford what she was doing guitar-wise on C&S, Robben replied "I have no idea!"). Jaco had freed her from the "picket fence" style of bass work she had come to expect, the tunings became more exotic, the double and triple tracked guitars created an enveloping sonic depth and the lyrics have no equal to this day. I dread to think what the "average" person listens to today. Maybe they don't even know. My students bring in songs they say they really like but don't even have the curiosity to find out who they are by... just tracks in the ether. Dave On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Lori Fye wrote: >> Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before >> "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #854 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:39:09 +0000 (GMT) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 Mary, Vinnie used to play with Zappa, and I forget the lead player, but edgey, definitely. John >----Original Message---- >From: owner- joni-digest@smoe.org >Date: 16/01/2012 20:20 >To: >Subj: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 > >JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 868 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >-------- > RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 [Mary Morris ] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:19:37 -0800 >From: Mary Morris >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > >How about DED ? That had pretty edgy sounds, for her. > > > > > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:18:15 -0500 >> From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org >> To: joni- digest@smoe.org >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 >> >> >> JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 865 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: Joni as a Prog Queen ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > >> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:18:09 +0000 (GMT) >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen >> >> All, >> >> Just imagine the songs if she was backed by a prog band. Tortured >> personal relationships with mythological creatures? Vocal duets with >> Moogs. She did enough in odd time signatures. >> >> John >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2011 #865 >> ***************************** >> >> - ------- >> To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org? body=unsubscribe >> ------- > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2011 #868 >***************************** > >------- >To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:05:21 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 Yes, well thankfully the music industry was "young" enough and diverse enough in the '70's to accept both "Blue" and "Hejira". I don't think that would be the case today. And I am old enough to remember when "Hejira" was first released in 1976. It would not understood back then either. The critics had slammed "HOSL" the year before. They wanted "Court and Spark", or at least another "Big Yellow Taxi" or "Both Sides Now". I heard "Coyote" a few times on the radio, then the big blackout. But JM still had a large enough fan base to support "Hejira" and "Don's Juan's Reckless Daughter" the following year. After that, it seems like the tribe disbanded. =20 Gary Hanick President =20 =20 =20 =20 www.naturemaker.com 6225 El Camino Real #110 Carlsbad, CA 92009 T: 760.438.4244 M: 619.520.5915 F: 760-438-4344 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Get your copy of "NATUREMAKER -- The Art of Bennett Abrams" =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Lori Fye [mailto:lori.fye@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:55 AM To: Gary Hanick; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 =20 > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of "Hejira." Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. Lori Tioga, ND [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image006.gif] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image005.jpg] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image004.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:34:11 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 Yes, Joni was never about top 20 singles. I think she was as surprised as anyone when "Help Me" and a couple of the other "C& S" singles made it as high up the charts as they did. "Both Sides Now", "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Woodstock" were never hits for Joni. She was always about following her muse, even to today when she's dropped out of the music scene completely. Which is a real loss for her fans. - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:37 AM To: Lori Fye Cc: Gary Hanick; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 That's certainly true Lori, but everyone has always looked beyond the top 20 singles to find the good music. For me, the leap in sophistication from Blue to Hejira is almost too big to comprehend, and that they were only five years apart. Joni's musical contemporaries understood Blue musically even if they marveled at the intimacy she was prepared to put into song- the piano pieces were fairly simple, the dulcimer/guitar tunes were still coming from a roots (avoiding "folk" here) place. Hejira was something else entirely, and left her musical cohorts bewildered (Max Bennett confirmed this when he said that when he asked Robben Ford what she was doing guitar-wise on C&S, Robben replied "I have no idea!"). Jaco had freed her from the "picket fence" style of bass work she had come to expect, the tunings became more exotic, the double and triple tracked guitars created an enveloping sonic depth and the lyrics have no equal to this day. I dread to think what the "average" person listens to today. Maybe they don't even know. My students bring in songs they say they really like but don't even have the curiosity to find out who they are by... just tracks in the ether. Dave On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Lori Fye wrote: >> Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before >> "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:14:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #873 Blue >----Original Message---- >From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org >Date: 17/01/2012 00:07 >To: >Subj: JMDL Digest V2011 #873 > >JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 873 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >-------- > Obscure Joni Reference ["John McGloin" ] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:44:26 -0000 >From: "John McGloin" >Subject: Obscure Joni Reference > >Can I make a claim for the most obscure bobscure Joni Mitchell referenceb. On a tv programme - University Challenge - on the BBC, the opening question was: bWhat word links a viral disease of sheep, an album by Joni Mitchell, a British rabbi and broadcaster and the decrease in the wavelength of radiation emitted by an approaching celestial object as a result of the Doppler Effectb? The first answer was bscrapieb which had me howling but as the average age is about 21, I guess understandable. > >First correct answer gets Renaissance Man/Woman of the month award. > >Cheers >John > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2011 #873 >***************************** > >------- >To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org? body=unsubscribe >------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:30:58 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni as a Prog Queen There are so many different genres of prog, I think that is why Joni fits so well there ... folk prog, symphonic prog, jazz prog ... she can be the SIQUOMB queen in any of these ... some of the songs that seem progish to me, and fit with your description below - I Think I Understand Roses Blue Sisowtowbell Lane Pirates of Penance Ludwig's Tune Paprika Plains ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of johnnybgoode@lineone.net Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:18 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen All, Just imagine the songs if she was backed by a prog band. Tortured personal relationships with mythological creatures? Vocal duets with Moogs. She did enough in odd time signatures. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:01:59 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #853 I think "Hejira" was so effective because it was a work by Joni. She has always lived her life in her art - her journey became ours, so when "Hejira" came out, it was only natural to follow her there as well, in all it's sonic hypnotism. I don't think the same elements are present today in our culture, to venerate that type of journey, sadly. I could be wrong. It was a "road trip". This is a very special category of artistic inquiry and deserved the "album" treatment she gave it. Everyone now is so hooked on pop, they can barely sit through a short song w/o thinking of the next product. To get over these blues, I play me some Tom Waits which makes merry fun out of seemingly random sounds & makes wonderful music out of his head. Man, I am greedy, I wish Joni would release one more cd, just one more, for the road. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > > RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 ["anon anon " ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:20:43 +0000 > From: "anon anon " > Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 > > well I don't know... This was the time of progressive rock, which was pretty sophisticated in it`s way... > - -----Original Message----- > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:58:05 am > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > From: JMDL Digest > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 850 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > - -------- > Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Lori Fye > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:55:18 -0600 > From: Lori Fye > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > > > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND > > - ------------------------------ > > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:44:26 -0000 From: "John McGloin" Subject: Obscure Joni Reference Can I make a claim for the most obscure bobscure Joni Mitchell referenceb. On a tv programme - University Challenge - on the BBC, the opening question was: bWhat word links a viral disease of sheep, an album by Joni Mitchell, a British rabbi and broadcaster and the decrease in the wavelength of radiation emitted by an approaching celestial object as a result of the Doppler Effectb? The first answer was bscrapieb which had me howling but as the average age is about 21, I guess understandable. First correct answer gets Renaissance Man/Woman of the month award. Cheers John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:12:32 -0500 From: Rozanne Gates Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #855 Joni may have dropped out of the music scene all together but Suzanne Sheridan has taken up the good fight to keep her music alive. For those in the Northeast, Suzanne will be performing Joni's music at Bernard's in Ridgefield, CT on Sat. March 31. on 1/16/12 11:43 AM, JMDL Digest at owner-joni-digest@smoe.org wrote: > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 855 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > RE: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 ["Gary Hanick" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:34:11 -0800 > From: "Gary Hanick" > Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > > Yes, Joni was never about top 20 singles. I think she was as surprised > as anyone when "Help Me" and a couple of the other "C& S" singles made > it as high up the charts as they did. "Both Sides Now", "Big Yellow > Taxi" and "Woodstock" were never hits for Joni. She was always about > following her muse, even to today when she's dropped out of the music > scene completely. Which is a real loss for her fans. > > > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:37 AM > To: Lori Fye > Cc: Gary Hanick; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > > That's certainly true Lori, but everyone has always looked beyond the > top 20 singles to find the good music. > > For me, the leap in sophistication from Blue to Hejira is almost too big > to comprehend, and that they were only five years apart. Joni's musical > contemporaries understood Blue musically even if they marveled at the > intimacy she was prepared to put into song- the piano pieces were fairly > simple, the dulcimer/guitar tunes were still coming from a roots > (avoiding "folk" here) place. Hejira was something else entirely, and > left her musical cohorts bewildered (Max Bennett confirmed this when he > said that when he asked Robben Ford what she was doing guitar-wise on > C&S, Robben replied "I have no idea!"). Jaco had freed her from the > "picket fence" style of bass work she had come to expect, the tunings > became more exotic, the double and triple tracked guitars created an > enveloping sonic depth and the lyrics have no equal to this day. > > I dread to think what the "average" person listens to today. Maybe they > don't even know. My students bring in songs they say they really like > but don't even have the curiosity to find out who they are by... just > tracks in the ether. > > Dave > > On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Lori Fye wrote: > >>> Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before >>> "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. >> >> Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average >> person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the >> World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication > of >> "Hejira." >> >> Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... > I >> doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. >> >> Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. >> >> Lori >> Tioga, ND > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #855 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:17:47 +0000 From: "anon anon " Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #849 there are so many qouteable, brilliant, evocative lines in the album... Paticulary the songs: "amelia", "song for Sharon" and the title song... - -----Original Message----- Date: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:44:43 am To: joni-digest@smoe.org From: JMDL Digest Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #849 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 849 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 [gerard mclaughlin ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:42:22 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #847 Here here ! I'll raise my glass to that ...and my hat and three cheers as well. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Gary Hanick wrote: > I definitely agree with all the posts about "Hejira" -- the album and > the song. I think of all of Joni's works, including "Blue", "Hejira" is > the most universally relatable. It's timeless. The images she paints > each of us has experienced in some deep way that she has managed to > capture and express. Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. I guess the > critics and the buying pu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:13:27 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #861 I definitely agree! It was a physical and metaphysical journey and I have been on both my whole life. And I wish Joni would release new music soon. I keep getting this dreaded sense that all sorts of "previously unreleased material" will go out into the marketplace after she passes. Why wait till then? Not that I am intimating that Joni is ready to make the transition anytime soon. But life is for the living. Surely there is a large enough audience out there for JM. The whole "misunderstood artist" thing is really getting old. Joni, plenty of us LOVE you. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:03 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #861 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 861 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #853 [Mary Morris ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:01:59 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #853 I think "Hejira" was so effective because it was a work by Joni. She has always lived her life in her art - her journey became ours, so when "Hejira" came out, it was only natural to follow her there as well, in all it's sonic hypnotism. I don't think the same elements are present today in our culture, to venerate that type of journey, sadly. I could be wrong. It was a "road trip". This is a very special category of artistic inquiry and deserved the "album" treatment she gave it. Everyone now is so hooked on pop, they can barely sit through a short song w/o thinking of the next product. To get over these blues, I play me some Tom Waits which makes merry fun out of seemingly random sounds & makes wonderful music out of his head. Man, I am greedy, I wish Joni would release one more cd, just one more, for the road. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > > RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 ["anon anon " ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:20:43 +0000 > From: "anon anon " > Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 > > well I don't know... This was the time of progressive rock, which was pretty sophisticated in it`s way... > - -----Original Message----- > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:58:05 am > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > From: JMDL Digest > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 850 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > - -------- > Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Lori Fye > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:55:18 -0600 > From: Lori Fye > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > > > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND > > - ------------------------------ > > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #861 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:39:09 +0000 (GMT) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 Mary, Vinnie used to play with Zappa, and I forget the lead player, but edgey, definitely. John >----Original Message---- >From: owner- joni-digest@smoe.org >Date: 16/01/2012 20:20 >To: >Subj: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 > >JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 868 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >-------- > RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 [Mary Morris ] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:19:37 -0800 >From: Mary Morris >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > >How about DED ? That had pretty edgy sounds, for her. > > > > > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:18:15 -0500 >> From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org >> To: joni- digest@smoe.org >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 >> >> >> JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 865 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: Joni as a Prog Queen ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > >> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:18:09 +0000 (GMT) >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen >> >> All, >> >> Just imagine the songs if she was backed by a prog band. Tortured >> personal relationships with mythological creatures? Vocal duets with >> Moogs. She did enough in odd time signatures. >> >> John >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2011 #865 >> ***************************** >> >> - ------- >> To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org? body=unsubscribe >> ------- > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2011 #868 >***************************** > >------- >To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:35:20 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 Yes! All of her albums have so many highlights. Love them all, except for "Hits" "Misses", the compilations, and "Travelogue". - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:21 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 868 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 [Mary Morris ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:19:37 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 How about DED ? That had pretty edgy sounds, for her. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:18:15 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 865 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni as a Prog Queen ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:18:09 +0000 (GMT) > From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen > > All, > > Just imagine the songs if she was backed by a prog band. Tortured > personal relationships with mythological creatures? Vocal duets with > Moogs. She did enough in odd time signatures. > > John > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #868 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:10:57 +0000 (GMT) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: Hejira before Blue All, As likely as Revelations before Genesis, but I agree, that is IMO the purple patch. Joni living her life like Merlin, is a fantastic concept, losing rather than gaining wisdom, and the pitch of her voice rising. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:34:53 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #848 Gary wrote: "I definitely agree with all the posts about "Hejira" -- the album and the song. I think of all of Joni's works, including "Blue", "Hejira" is the most universally relatable. It's timeless. The images she paints each of us has experienced in some deep way that she has managed to capture and express. Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. I guess the critics and the buying public would not accept the fact that one artist could create two masterpieces of equal value and content. To the general public, Joni's most "famous" songs happened before "Blue". To her real fans, the albums from "Blue" to "Hejira" were the artistic cornerstones of a career that we'll continue to follow with anticipation and delight till the end." I couldn't agree with you more, Gary. Your inclusion of the period from "Blue to "Hejira" got me to thinking how much more she has done & I owe it to myself to load her whole catalog on the player & spend a couple of days revisiting all her remarkable & touching work. How lucky we are to have her. Like she has said, she puts it all down on the page for us. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:20:43 +0000 From: "anon anon " Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 well I don't know... This was the time of progressive rock, which was pretty sophisticated in it`s way... - -----Original Message----- Date: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:58:05 am To: joni-digest@smoe.org From: JMDL Digest Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #850 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 850 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 > Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before > "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of "Hejira." Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. Lori Tioga, ND - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #850 ************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: pat hillis Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 let's not forget the leap from "Blue" to "For the Roses"....a masterpiece and probably (for me) the most sophisticated album... ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:39:59 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 854 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 That's certainly true Lori, but everyone has always looked beyond the top 20 singles to find the good music. For me, the leap in sophistication from Blue to Hejira is almost too big to comprehend, and that they were only five years apart. Joni's musical contemporaries understood Blue musically even if they marveled at the intimacy she was prepared to put into song- the piano pieces were fairly simple, the dulcimer/guitar tunes were still coming from a roots (avoiding "folk" here) place. Hejira was something else entirely, and left her musical cohorts bewildered (Max Bennett confirmed this when he said that when he asked Robben Ford what she was doing guitar-wise on C&S, Robben replied "I have no idea!"). Jaco had freed her from the "picket fence" style of bass work she had come to expect, the tunings became more exotic, the double and triple tracked guitars created an enveloping sonic depth and the lyrics have no equal to this day. I dread to think what the "average" person listens to today. Maybe they don't even know. My students bring in songs they say they really like but don't even have the curiosity to find out who they are by... just tracks in the ether. Dave On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Lori Fye wrote: >> Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before >> "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #854 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: pat hillis Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 let's not forget the leap from "Blue" to "For the Roses"....a masterpiece and probably (for me) the most sophisticated album... ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:39:59 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #854 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 854 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 [Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell performs "Hejira," June 15, 1986 That's certainly true Lori, but everyone has always looked beyond the top 20 singles to find the good music. For me, the leap in sophistication from Blue to Hejira is almost too big to comprehend, and that they were only five years apart. Joni's musical contemporaries understood Blue musically even if they marveled at the intimacy she was prepared to put into song- the piano pieces were fairly simple, the dulcimer/guitar tunes were still coming from a roots (avoiding "folk" here) place. Hejira was something else entirely, and left her musical cohorts bewildered (Max Bennett confirmed this when he said that when he asked Robben Ford what she was doing guitar-wise on C&S, Robben replied "I have no idea!"). Jaco had freed her from the "picket fence" style of bass work she had come to expect, the tunings became more exotic, the double and triple tracked guitars created an enveloping sonic depth and the lyrics have no equal to this day. I dread to think what the "average" person listens to today. Maybe they don't even know. My students bring in songs they say they really like but don't even have the curiosity to find out who they are by... just tracks in the ether. Dave On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Lori Fye wrote: >> Perhaps, if "Hejira" had been released before >> "Blue", it would have gotten the recognition it deserved. > > Not to be argumentative, but I have to disagree on this. The average > person in 1971 (top single that year: Three Dog Night's "Joy to the > World") could barely comprehend "Blue," let alone the sophistication of > "Hejira." > > Not that the average person's musical taste has changed, mind you ... I > doubt most people could comprehend "Hejira" now. > > Not meaning to be a music snob, just sayin'. > > Lori > Tioga, ND - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #854 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:35:20 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 Yes! All of her albums have so many highlights. Love them all, except for "Hits" "Misses", the compilations, and "Travelogue". - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:21 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #868 JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 868 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 [Mary Morris ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:19:37 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 How about DED ? That had pretty edgy sounds, for her. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:18:15 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 16 2012 Volume 2011 : Number 865 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni as a Prog Queen ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:18:09 +0000 (GMT) > From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > Subject: Re: Joni as a Prog Queen > > All, > > Just imagine the songs if she was backed by a prog band. Tortured > personal relationships with mythological creatures? Vocal duets with > Moogs. She did enough in odd time signatures. > > John > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2011 #865 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2011 #868 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, send to joni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:26:26 -0600 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Obscure Joni Reference > Can I make a claim for the most obscure "obscure Joni Mitchell reference". Yes. > "What word links a viral disease of sheep, an album by Joni Mitchell, > a British rabbi and broadcaster and the decrease in the wavelength of > radiation emitted by an approaching celestial object as a result of the > Doppler Effect"? Morgellons? > First correct answer gets Renaissance Man/Woman of the month award. Lori P.O. Box 1433 Tioga, ND 58852 ;-) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #399 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe