From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #325 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 13 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 325 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" [T Peckham ] Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" Hi Gerard, I'm glad several others have spoken up to say that a lot of things written by a lot of different Listers can go unremarked upon. I truly think it is mainly just a time problem. And also, at times, a feeling of being overwhelmed by EVERYTHING there is on the 'Net! I find myself sticking in the same old ruts, checking the same websites every day, and just taking time to respond to personal emails. (And I won't even get started on how much time I spend at Facebook, which I swore I'd never join!) As Catherine wrote, sometimes you just have the impulse to hit a "LIKE" button (not unlike going from a stick shift to an automatic--ha ha!) I know some despise FB, and I don't blame them--I refuse to go by my real name there out of privacy concerns, and am always on the lookout for a new alternative. I hope you keep posting, and I wish more folks would jump in more often. I can also say from the experience of belonging to msg. boards that it's really not that much unlike real life--people come and go, take breaks and return, or never return. Or find each other again at new places. I know there's a great Joni quote I should be coming up with here, but I should have gone to sleep a couple hours ago . . . Cheers! Terra On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:14 AM, gerard mclaughlin wrote: > One of the things I find hard/difficult to appreciate isn't Joni or > anything she says it is how the fans react to what others say about her. We > are probably none of us as articulate as Joni is and even with her power of > language she is often misunderstood so it goes without saying really that > mortals lesser than she in the words department don't get it right and can > equally be misunderstood. I count myself among that number. I've been on > the list here a number of years now. not many but a few and have often > found my comments ignored. i have as a result tried to disengage from the > joni community because of this democratic (for want of better words) lack > but whenever i have tried to it hasn't worked ! reading these comments has > stirred this complaint in me. surely like joni, whom we all love, each of > us on her list is of value and our opinions, like hers, are of value. They > are only opinions after all and are simply contributions to a discussion > list. Sad if a joni discussion list is a closed book to a few adoring > people who rub each others backs constantly and dislike the slightest > whiff.... or touch of a stranger ! even if it sets up a trembling in your > bones.... > > My sisters met Joni in person in Stokholm when she was touring europe. She > talked with my older sister about her life...my sister's life that is and > invited her to get in the limo and go for dinner ! For every awful story we > hear about her there are ten to obliterate the nasty ones. In my book joni > mitchell has a heart of pure gold. she is everything she sings about. She > has been a friend and a witness throughout our lives and has served the > planet well. Whatever anybody says we could all of us take a leaf out of > her book. > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM, T Peckham wrote: > >> {First of all, my apologies if the formatting in this comes out all funky. >> When I cut and pasted something in, it seemed like it screwed up the >> margins and line breaks. Did my best to try to fix it, but . . . } >> >> Wow, Kakki, thank you! (I'll admit it, I was hoping somebody out there >> would like my "pseudo Myrtles" thing. It was meant in good spirit!) >> >> You just said more of what I wanted to say, except I can only guess at and >> intuit what I think Joni might be like in person, whereas you've had the >> real experience. To me, she almost always comes off as witty and with a >> wry >> sense of humor, particularly about herself--what I was trying to express >> in >> my previous post. ("Wry" is a much better description than my "almost >> self-deprecating"). Ha, from me "who's so good with words"---usually. (A >> wink and a nod to our dear friend Patti there!). ---I too love Rick's >> characterization of "a wink and a smile." That's how I've always >> interpreted her now infamous Dylan comments--and his equally infamous >> quote, paraphrasing from memory here: "Oh, Joni. She's more like a man." >> [Okay, I'm truly obsessive, so I went in search of the actual quote. I >> have >> the Rolling Stone "Cover to Cover" DVD set, but it was easier to Google it >> and find it on the JMDL. Ha!] Here it is, in context, from a 1987 RS >> interview w/Kurt Loder: >> >> "BD: ' . . . Showbiz--well, I don't dig it. I don't go to see someone jump >> around. I hate to see chicks perform. _Hate_ it.' >> KL: 'Why?' >> BD: 'Because they whore themselves. Especially the ones that don't >> wear anything. >> They fuckin' whore themselves.' >> KL: 'Even someone like Joni Mitchell?' >> BD: 'Well, no. But, then, Joni Mitchell is almost like a _man_ [laughs]. I >> mean, I love Joni, too. But Joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's >> all her own, and she lives on that timetable . . . Joni Mitchell is in her >> own world all by herself, so she has a right to keep any rhythm she >> wants.She's allowed to tell you what time it is.' " >> >> >> I think a lot of people misinterpreted that, just as a lot of people >> either >> misinterpreted or took Joni's comments out of context. I'm terrible at >> deciphering metaphors and symbolism, so there are >> (still!) a fair amount of things I've missed in some of both Mitchell's >> and >> Dylan's lyrics. (I do get it and appreciate it when others discuss and >> interpret >> them--but my brain just doesn't immediatelygo there when listening on my >> own.) On the other hand, when I read and hear interviews with either of >> them, I feel like I'm listening to my own kind. LOL I mean, I get them. >> And >> I'm exactly like >> Joni (tho far less well-read and accomplished than she) when it comes to >> conversation: small talk bores me to tears; I consider a good couple of >> hours of truly engaged talk to be A Nice Start. >> (I'm also an unrepentant night owl like she is--accident of the genes. But >> how I'd love to get a phone call from her at 3 AM . . . prime time!) >> >> So anyway, those are just more of "so many reasons why" I bristle when I >> think Ms. Mitchell is being terribly misunderstood and misjudged by some >> of >> those who should have a little more faith, >> let's say, in her spirit and character: those who have followed and know >> >> her artistic journey better than the idle listener. No one has to agree >> with or love or worship everything she's ever done orwritten or said, but >> she's certainly earned much better than knee-jerk reactions from her >> disciples--er, fans. ;-) >> >> Thinking about going to sleep now, >> >> Terra >> >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:54 PM, kbhla wrote: >> >> > Loved reading all the great and very insightful posts on this subject >> and >> > agree with all. Also loved Terra's coining of the new term "pseudo >> > Myrtles" >> > heehee! That is just perfect! I guess that we do kind of invoke our >> > "Myrtle" side with Joni at times! But I also know it's just because we >> > love >> > her so much. >> > >> > >> > >> > Years ago around here, and before I ever met Joni, I would always defend >> > her >> > when something controversial would come up in some interview and people >> > would get upset and (to me) jump to all kinds of conclusions. Words on >> a >> > flat piece of paper, whether from first or second hand, are sometimes so >> > inadequate and so often misunderstood, especially when they are >> originating >> > from someone like Joni who loves to talk at length about everything and >> who >> > is so real. It is said that words alone are the least factor in >> > communication - body language is the most important factor, followed by >> > tone >> > of voice, inflection and facial expression. Unless you can observe all >> > factors in full, much meaning and context is likely to be lost. >> > >> > >> > >> > Before I ever was so lucky to meet Joni, I really imagined that she >> would >> > be >> > very aloof and imperious in person. I was beyond surprised on meeting >> her >> > to find that she was nothing at all like that and was also happily >> shocked >> > that her personality was so much like someone you've known all your >> life - >> > "one of the gang". No affectations, no public "star" persona, no polite >> > and >> > perfuntory niceties just because you are a fan. I've met and talked >> with >> > her three times. Each time she was authentically herself, in the moment >> > and >> > very animated and funny, in addtion to also being genuinely warm and >> > friendly. Oh, and she LOVES to talk and talk and talk (which is a great >> > bonus!). That combination of high genius and high ordinariness makes her >> > very extraordinary. >> > >> > >> > >> > I think some of her words (that sometimes come across as so critical >> and a >> > bit scalding) might be interpreted differently if experienced in >> person. I >> > experienced her as very witty and wry in an entertaining, but not at all >> > snarky way. She just seems to like to ramble, and talk and free >> associate >> > a >> > lot. I agree with Rick's comment about a "wink and a smile." I also >> agree >> > with Rick that, despite her ordinariness, she is riduculously famous and >> > loved and it all must be overwhelming, and probably unhealthy, at times >> to >> > have to live too much in "that world". Does she act up and lose her >> temper >> > at times and sometimes get all crazy? Well, sure she does! Just like >> most >> > regular people (or at least myself and people I know)! >> > >> > >> > >> > I have never thought she owes me anything. I'm always amazed at >> anything >> > she has chosen to put out there for us in the past couple of decades. >> This >> > was brought home to me again while experiencing the almost >> supernaturally >> > beautiful and perfect Mutts of the Planet tribute on Sunday. We've all >> > listened to Joni's music endlessly for most of our lives. We sings her >> > songs 24/7 for days on end at Jonifests and gatherings. But there was >> > something about the performances on Sunday that evoked in me some kind >> of >> > lifelong flashback of Joni's life and accomplishments. Two thoughts >> > predominated - one, it is startling in retrospect to know that Joni >> wrote >> > these songs and music when she was only in her 20s and early 30s, and >> two, >> > how amazing it was for her to go on all those big tours around the >> country >> > in '98 with Bob and Van when she was freaking 55 years old and hadn't >> > toured >> > in 15 years!! Bonus points to Joni for also doing the concert tours in >> > 2000 >> > with a full orchestra. Throw in a number of art exhibits, >> collaborations >> > with other artists and producing a ballet in Canada and the U.S. Maybe >> > there will be more at some point (one can always hope) but wow, what she >> > has >> > already accomplished in her life well exceeds any reasonable >> expectations! >> > >> > >> > >> > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:23:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: John Crowley's inheritance tracks I heard this too, Jacky, and Joni was mentioned several times in such a warm, positive way. It was a really nice experience (especially as I was indulging in a lazy hot bath at the time), starting with the jingle bells of River playing temptingly through people's conversation. Here is the link to hear it again, probably only for the next 7 days and probably only for people in the UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qgj4 All the best, Lieve - still in London >________________________________ >From: "Gertus@aol.com" >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2011, 14:32 >Subject: John Crowley's inheritance tracks > >The Irish director, John Crowley chose his inheritance tracks on BBC radio >4's Saturday Live this morning and they were such great choices. The one he >inherited from his older brother was "River" by Joni and the one he would >pass on to his young son is "May You Never" by John Martyn. Michael Ball >was in the studio and enthusiastically endorsed the choices. >It's after about 45 mins if you want to listen on the i-player. > >Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:21:50 -0800 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: "River" running through CBC Radio lecture Listening to CBC Radio tonight, the episode streaming @ http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/massey-lectures/2011/11/07/the-2011-cbc-massey-lectures-winter , is the fifth in a series of lectures by critic and essayist, Adam Gopnik - on the theme of Winter. This final lecture in the series - starting about 2:30, and Gopnik's meditation on "remembering Winter" uses, as a reference point, "the most beautiful of all stressed-out-by-Summer longing-for-Winter songs" - Joni Mitchell's "River". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:56:17 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" I can pretty much echo that. Sometimes I feel like I respond to every post on the list and then realize I should just shut up for a while. Generally speaking, I do read just about every post (unless I'm super-busy for some reason) but don't always respond. In this case, having a "like" button, as in Facebook, would work well in this case, but I don't want to have to post a "Me too" message - although, that seems to be what I've just done. Sigh. I've never met Joni and I'm OK with that. I can live vicariously! >________________________________ >From: Mags >To: gerard mclaughlin ; T Peckham >Cc: kbhla ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:28:29 AM >Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" > >Gerard, a number of us have expressed a similar concern about little to no >response when "we" post. and as you mentioned, surely to goodness, >controversial opinions have raised many a dander at times. It's a sticky >wicket; in that it is hard to determine the writer's tone/voice/ etc as the >reader relies on the written word and does not get to hear nuances, and >sometimes intentions behind those words. Perception is a strange beast. > >In >any case, . I have been told in response to my own concerns regarding this >issue that many people are reading every post (or as often as they can) and >yet they don't always have time or energy to respond to each and everyone. >Therein, it's a mixed thing.. I have taken more than a few breaks from the >list of late. At one time, i was on this thing like a daily journal entry. Not >sure where I'm going with this or if there are any solutions, just wanted to >let you know that I'm reading, loud and clear. > >btw, that's a great story >about your sister meeting and having dinner with Joni. A lovely image. >Mags > >gerard's words: >. I've been on >the list here a number of years now. >not many but a few and have often >found my comments ignored. i have as a >result tried to disengage from the >joni community because of this democratic >(for want of better words) lack >but whenever i have tried to it hasn't worked >! reading these comments has >stirred this complaint in me. surely like joni, >whom we all love, each of >us on her list is of value and our opinions, like >hers, are of value. They >are only opinions after all and are simply >contributions to a discussion >list. Sad if a joni discussion list is a closed >book to a few adoring >people who rub each others backs constantly and dislike >the slightest >whiff.... or touch of a stranger ! even if it sets up a >trembling in your >bones.... > >My sisters met Joni in person in Stokholm when >she was touring europe. She >talked with my older sister about her life...my >sister's life that is and >invited her to get in the limo and go for dinner ! >For every awful story we >hear about her there are ten to obliterate the nasty >ones. In my book joni >mitchell has a heart of pure gold. she is everything she >sings about. She >has been a friend and a witness throughout our lives and has >served the >planet well. Whatever anybody says we could all of us take a leaf >out of >her book. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:11:12 -0700 From: Bill Kelly Subject: More Meeting Joni From: T Peckham > I really appreciate hearing all the stories from everyone who has met Ms. > Mitchell in person. Sure, the day before the "The Fiddle and the Drum" by the Alberta Ballet, Randy and I went over to see the Eric Harvie Theatre (http://www.banffcentre.ca/theatre/facilities/eht.aspx) making plans for the next night. After wandering around the Banff Creative Centre campus we found a stairway up to this larger space. The Three Ravens restaurant was full the next night but the Vistas Dining Room, a 350-seat cafeteria atop the Sally Boren Building was open. We reserved a small table. September 5, 2005 rolled around, we got there a bit early, and found ourselves in high-bar seats at a curved granite bar. Across the bar we met the creative director for the Vancouver Olympic Games, who mentioned she was looking to book "The Fiddle and the Drum" ballet into nearby venues during the upcoming Winter Olympic Games. Next I was looking down at my wine glass when Randy said, "She looks like Joni .... ". I looked up and said, "That IS Joni". :-) The good thing about a 350 seat cafeteria is you have to get up and walk around. Many of the round tables were filled with Alberta Ballet dancers and craft people. Jean Grand-Mantre, Joni and several dancers resided at a large round table. During dinner I mentioned to Randy we were NOT leaving the room until after Joni. With a fetched pecan pie in front of me I looked around, curtain time lingering, when Jean and Joni walked by our table .... they were just passing us by, my mind in a whirl when Randy said, "Hi Joni". Whelp, Jean and Joni both turned ..... lots of smiles. "Hi Joni", (my name tag was on the table) "I'm Bill Kelly, this is Randy, we're from Colorado", I said kind of amazed to hear myself chatting. "Oooh!" she said reaching out to hold our hands, looking at both of us. Jean was smiling. Tall pine woods were outside the large windows. It was a brief meet and greet that everyone seemed happy about! Joni and Jean moved on stopping at more tables while strolling their way to the ballet. Small Coda: At the ballet,in the lobby during intermission it was energetic, as LOTS of the folks seem to not only know Joni well, but some had grown up with Joni telling Saskatoon stories. It was kind of riveting to hear things like "Sure, I went to elementary school with Joni" wafting thorough the lobby. We next heard directly from Joni in the theatre when she came on-stage with Jean, the lighting director and a lead dancer after the program ... as you know the Alberta Ballet is completely amazing. During Q & A Joni told this story about how the Alberta and Toronto dancers did both perform in downtown Toronto earlier that summer. In the hallway between shows the dancers from the two very different companies where seeing each other up close for the first time .... Toronto performing an Elizabethan piece with elaborate costumes, makeup and then the Alberta 'The Fiddle And The Drum' program making-due with a 'plains mentality' minimal budget not-too-much to spend on costumes and such approach. Back at the Creative Centre Randy and I walked around upstairs some more after Q & A, then headed to Lake Louise to get ready for a hike the next morning. Mean while believe Joni later that night found a Banff bar and played pool! At least that is what I remember from reading, jaw dropping, Michelle's book "Will You Take Me As I Am". ************************************* Bill Kelly bkellyhome@me.com ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:09:05 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" Damn, the "inner circle" thread again. I'm glad to see you posting again, Gerald. The more the merrier, is my philosophy on the JMDL, not that my philosophy makes a difference one way or another. I have some friends here on the jmdl and I probably post every week. I've had my share of mis-understandings and outright arguments here. (Ask around.) I think it's probably important to have a 'thick skin', which is probably an American expression. What I mean is, don't let the lack of feedback or a few negative comments get you down. In the early days of the list, some people wanted the JMDL to allow posts that leaned towards off-topic, "writer's forum" content. I think that there is currently a lot of tolerance for off-topic stuff. There are many people here who have felt ignored at one time or another but I will not name names. Most of my posts go without a comment too but it doesn't stop me from writing, out of the love of writing. Jim L'Hommedieu now playing downstairs: Van Halen on the radio through the big stereo gerard mclaughlin said in part, >(I) have often found my comments ignored.> >Sad if a joni discussion list is a closed book to a few adoring people who rub each others backs constantly and dislike the slightest whiff.... or touch of a stranger ! even if it sets up a trembling in your bones....> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:14:06 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" One of the things I find hard/difficult to appreciate isn't Joni or anything she says it is how the fans react to what others say about her. We are probably none of us as articulate as Joni is and even with her power of language she is often misunderstood so it goes without saying really that mortals lesser than she in the words department don't get it right and can equally be misunderstood. I count myself among that number. I've been on the list here a number of years now. not many but a few and have often found my comments ignored. i have as a result tried to disengage from the joni community because of this democratic (for want of better words) lack but whenever i have tried to it hasn't worked ! reading these comments has stirred this complaint in me. surely like joni, whom we all love, each of us on her list is of value and our opinions, like hers, are of value. They are only opinions after all and are simply contributions to a discussion list. Sad if a joni discussion list is a closed book to a few adoring people who rub each others backs constantly and dislike the slightest whiff.... or touch of a stranger ! even if it sets up a trembling in your bones.... My sisters met Joni in person in Stokholm when she was touring europe. She talked with my older sister about her life...my sister's life that is and invited her to get in the limo and go for dinner ! For every awful story we hear about her there are ten to obliterate the nasty ones. In my book joni mitchell has a heart of pure gold. she is everything she sings about. She has been a friend and a witness throughout our lives and has served the planet well. Whatever anybody says we could all of us take a leaf out of her book. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM, T Peckham wrote: > {First of all, my apologies if the formatting in this comes out all funky. > When I cut and pasted something in, it seemed like it screwed up the > margins and line breaks. Did my best to try to fix it, but . . . } > > Wow, Kakki, thank you! (I'll admit it, I was hoping somebody out there > would like my "pseudo Myrtles" thing. It was meant in good spirit!) > > You just said more of what I wanted to say, except I can only guess at and > intuit what I think Joni might be like in person, whereas you've had the > real experience. To me, she almost always comes off as witty and with a wry > sense of humor, particularly about herself--what I was trying to express in > my previous post. ("Wry" is a much better description than my "almost > self-deprecating"). Ha, from me "who's so good with words"---usually. (A > wink and a nod to our dear friend Patti there!). ---I too love Rick's > characterization of "a wink and a smile." That's how I've always > interpreted her now infamous Dylan comments--and his equally infamous > quote, paraphrasing from memory here: "Oh, Joni. She's more like a man." > [Okay, I'm truly obsessive, so I went in search of the actual quote. I have > the Rolling Stone "Cover to Cover" DVD set, but it was easier to Google it > and find it on the JMDL. Ha!] Here it is, in context, from a 1987 RS > interview w/Kurt Loder: > > "BD: ' . . . Showbiz--well, I don't dig it. I don't go to see someone jump > around. I hate to see chicks perform. _Hate_ it.' > KL: 'Why?' > BD: 'Because they whore themselves. Especially the ones that don't > wear anything. > They fuckin' whore themselves.' > KL: 'Even someone like Joni Mitchell?' > BD: 'Well, no. But, then, Joni Mitchell is almost like a _man_ [laughs]. I > mean, I love Joni, too. But Joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's > all her own, and she lives on that timetable . . . Joni Mitchell is in her > own world all by herself, so she has a right to keep any rhythm she > wants.She's allowed to tell you what time it is.' " > > I think a lot of people misinterpreted that, just as a lot of people either > misinterpreted or took Joni's comments out of context. I'm terrible at > deciphering metaphors and symbolism, so there are > (still!) a fair amount of things I've missed in some of both Mitchell's and > Dylan's lyrics. (I do get it and appreciate it when others discuss and > interpret > them--but my brain just doesn't immediatelygo there when listening on my > own.) On the other hand, when I read and hear interviews with either of > them, I feel like I'm listening to my own kind. LOL I mean, I get them. And > I'm exactly like > Joni (tho far less well-read and accomplished than she) when it comes to > conversation: small talk bores me to tears; I consider a good couple of > hours of truly engaged talk to be A Nice Start. > (I'm also an unrepentant night owl like she is--accident of the genes. But > how I'd love to get a phone call from her at 3 AM . . . prime time!) > > So anyway, those are just more of "so many reasons why" I bristle when I > think Ms. Mitchell is being terribly misunderstood and misjudged by some of > those who should have a little more faith, > let's say, in her spirit and character: those who have followed and know > her artistic journey better than the idle listener. No one has to agree > with or love or worship everything she's ever done orwritten or said, but > she's certainly earned much better than knee-jerk reactions from her > disciples--er, fans. ;-) > > Thinking about going to sleep now, > > Terra > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:54 PM, kbhla wrote: > > > Loved reading all the great and very insightful posts on this subject and > > agree with all. Also loved Terra's coining of the new term "pseudo > > Myrtles" > > heehee! That is just perfect! I guess that we do kind of invoke our > > "Myrtle" side with Joni at times! But I also know it's just because we > > love > > her so much. > > > > > > > > Years ago around here, and before I ever met Joni, I would always defend > > her > > when something controversial would come up in some interview and people > > would get upset and (to me) jump to all kinds of conclusions. Words on a > > flat piece of paper, whether from first or second hand, are sometimes so > > inadequate and so often misunderstood, especially when they are > originating > > from someone like Joni who loves to talk at length about everything and > who > > is so real. It is said that words alone are the least factor in > > communication - body language is the most important factor, followed by > > tone > > of voice, inflection and facial expression. Unless you can observe all > > factors in full, much meaning and context is likely to be lost. > > > > > > > > Before I ever was so lucky to meet Joni, I really imagined that she would > > be > > very aloof and imperious in person. I was beyond surprised on meeting > her > > to find that she was nothing at all like that and was also happily > shocked > > that her personality was so much like someone you've known all your life > - > > "one of the gang". No affectations, no public "star" persona, no polite > > and > > perfuntory niceties just because you are a fan. I've met and talked with > > her three times. Each time she was authentically herself, in the moment > > and > > very animated and funny, in addtion to also being genuinely warm and > > friendly. Oh, and she LOVES to talk and talk and talk (which is a great > > bonus!). That combination of high genius and high ordinariness makes her > > very extraordinary. > > > > > > > > I think some of her words (that sometimes come across as so critical and > a > > bit scalding) might be interpreted differently if experienced in person. > I > > experienced her as very witty and wry in an entertaining, but not at all > > snarky way. She just seems to like to ramble, and talk and free > associate > > a > > lot. I agree with Rick's comment about a "wink and a smile." I also > agree > > with Rick that, despite her ordinariness, she is riduculously famous and > > loved and it all must be overwhelming, and probably unhealthy, at times > to > > have to live too much in "that world". Does she act up and lose her > temper > > at times and sometimes get all crazy? Well, sure she does! Just like > most > > regular people (or at least myself and people I know)! > > > > > > > > I have never thought she owes me anything. I'm always amazed at anything > > she has chosen to put out there for us in the past couple of decades. > This > > was brought home to me again while experiencing the almost supernaturally > > beautiful and perfect Mutts of the Planet tribute on Sunday. We've all > > listened to Joni's music endlessly for most of our lives. We sings her > > songs 24/7 for days on end at Jonifests and gatherings. But there was > > something about the performances on Sunday that evoked in me some kind of > > lifelong flashback of Joni's life and accomplishments. Two thoughts > > predominated - one, it is startling in retrospect to know that Joni wrote > > these songs and music when she was only in her 20s and early 30s, and > two, > > how amazing it was for her to go on all those big tours around the > country > > in '98 with Bob and Van when she was freaking 55 years old and hadn't > > toured > > in 15 years!! Bonus points to Joni for also doing the concert tours in > > 2000 > > with a full orchestra. Throw in a number of art exhibits, collaborations > > with other artists and producing a ballet in Canada and the U.S. Maybe > > there will be more at some point (one can always hope) but wow, what she > > has > > already accomplished in her life well exceeds any reasonable > expectations! > > > > > > > > Kakki > > > > > > -- > "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." > ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:31:35 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: John Crowley's inheritance tracks I was able to get this in Canada, so I suspect people in the US can as well. He talks about how his older brother had gone off to university and how he discovered both Joni and John Martyn by flipping through his brother's collection of LPs that he had left behind. Sort of takes me back to the early-to-mid-70s and musical tastes that were shared (or not) among my siblings and me. >________________________________ >From: Lieve Reckers >To: "Gertus@aol.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:23:41 AM >Subject: Re: John Crowley's inheritance tracks > >I heard this too, Jacky, and Joni was mentioned several times in such a warm, >positive way. >It was a really nice experience (especially as I was indulging >in a lazy hot bath at the time), starting with the jingle bells of River >playing temptingly through people's conversation. >Here is the link to hear it >again, probably only for the next 7 days and probably only for people in the >UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qgj4 > >All the best, >Lieve - still in >London > > > >>________________________________ >>From: "Gertus@aol.com" > >>To: joni@smoe.org >>Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2011, 14:32 >>Subject: John Crowley's inheritance tracks >> >>The Irish director, John >Crowley chose his inheritance tracks on BBC radio >>4's Saturday Live this >morning and they were such great choices. The one he >>inherited from his >older brother was "River" by Joni and the one he would >>pass on to his young >son is "May You Never" by John Martyn. Michael Ball >>was in the studio and >enthusiastically endorsed the choices. >>It's after about 45 mins if you want >to listen on the i-player. >> >>Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:17:13 -0500 (EST) From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: John Crowley's inheritance tracks Hi Lieve, I always get very excited when I hear any mention of Joni on the radio. I hadn't realised that Michael Ball had recorded "River". No doubt Bob has it somewhere. I have just indulged in a hot bath myself following a long tennis match and was listening to Megan Henwood's album, Making Waves. Do you know her? She is really worth listening to and is a very talented young singer/songwriter. Several great tracks, including "White Lies" Take care, Jacky In a message dated 13/11/2011 12:23:43 GMT Standard Time, lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk writes: I heard this too, Jacky, and Joni was mentioned several times in such a warm, positive way. It was a really nice experience (especially as I was indulging in a lazy hot bath at the time), starting with the jingle bells of River playing temptingly through people's conversation. Here is the link to hear it again, probably only for the next 7 days and probably only for people in the UK: _http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qgj4_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qgj4) All the best, Lieve - still in London ____________________________________ From: "Gertus@aol.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2011, 14:32 Subject: John Crowley's inheritance tracks The Irish director, John Crowley chose his inheritance tracks on BBC radio 4's Saturday Live this morning and they were such great choices. The one he inherited from his older brother was "River" by Joni and the one he would pass on to his young son is "May You Never" by John Martyn. Michael Ball was in the studio and enthusiastically endorsed the choices. It's after about 45 mins if you want to listen on the i-player. Jacky ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #325 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe