From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #320 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 320 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" ["Mark" Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" I almost asked if there would be a recording of some kind of Robin, Dave, Max and the Mutts. This is more than I had hoped for. I am so much looking forward to this, Dave. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:17 AM To: Anita G Cc: Mags ; CoyoteRick ; Mark ; Catherine McKay ; T Peckham ; Allison Crowe Music ; Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" I'm mixing the audio from the show and it's turning out pretty wonderful. I haven't seen the video yet but all being well we should have something very nice to enjoy quite soon, possibly even the whole night on DVD. Dave > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:05:31 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" Terra wrote: "Or whether or not she has the right to choose what events she attends and doesn't attend. Why does respect for her as an artist seem to go completely out the window whenever it is perceived that she is not behaving the way some would like her to?" Terra, you made me think about my own feeling of bitchiness I expressed about Joni not going to Dave and Robin's concert and thinking about her not returning Judy Collins' phone calls. I would like to say that, despite my bitching, my respect for Joni as an artist has never diminished and, of course, is unlikely ever to - but I can see how it would sound that way. AS many will know, I have also been blessed to meet Joni twice and it was SO important to me - and she was gracious and everything I could have hoped. I have often said that my encounters with Joni's ordinariness have been really important in my own recovery. So what more could I possibly want? When I thought about that this morning, I had some notion that maybe seeing her music played by Dave and Robin would be really wonderful for Joni. Then I realised it is just my projection because seeing Dave and Robin play again would, in fact, be wonderful for ME. I had an idea that it would be a happy experience for Joni and would being her joy. Maybe it would, I don't know. But it would certainly bring ME joy. I also sometimes get grouchy and miffed with her because I want to see her sing and play again, just as I wish I could sing and play again. So, therefore, I am owning my projections and wishing Joni a belated Happy Birthday, however and wherever she spent it! Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:53:19 -0600 From: Kathy Johnson Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" On 2011-11-09, at 10:33 PM, Mags wrote: > Rick, I know you have met and had conversations with Joni, and that makes me > happy ;-) ... me too, agreed, Joni owes us nothing. > My conversation with Joni at the Mendel consisted of me listening to her listen patiently to my excited young son talk her ear off as she bent forward to him in his wheelchair to let him hold her hand, while others stood by, hoping to talk with her, as they had all day. Had I not come to her rescue by suggesting that he let her go after a couple minutes, who knows how long she would have given him her full attention? It's clear to me that Joni knows when to be kind, and when to speak her truth whether it's kind or not (if you're a woman, that's called being "difficult.") She's no more perfect than any of us, but if she makes a misstep in her conversation it is advertised and she's not allowed to forget it. Gak, that must be a shitty situation to be in. I'd run from the press too. Kate b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:17:30 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" Thanks Anita for bestowing such significance on our concert. Robin and I do believe, and Max does also, that Joni would have enjoyed the show, simply at the level of "good music nobody makes anymore" but I'm pretty sure she doesn't do nostalgia or even look back at the past much. Tribute Schmibute....she's seen a bunch and didn't even make the giant one at the Hollywood Bowl in August. I am led to believe she does however have gracious manners and am perhaps a little surprised that a one or two line response to both the CD and the concert invitation she received from us never happened via phone, snail mail or email (we don't know that she still doesn't use a computer- it was a good five years ago that it was reported she didn't use one) I'm mixing the audio from the show and it's turning out pretty wonderful. I haven't seen the video yet but all being well we should have something very nice to enjoy quite soon, possibly even the whole night on DVD. Dave On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:05 AM, Anita G wrote: > Terra wrote: > > "Or whether or not she has > the right to choose what events she attends and doesn't attend. Why does > respect for her as an artist seem to go completely out the window whenever > it is perceived that she is not behaving the way some would like her to?" > > Terra, you made me think about my own feeling of bitchiness I > expressed about Joni not going to Dave and Robin's concert and > thinking about her not returning Judy Collins' phone calls. I would > like to say that, despite my bitching, my respect for Joni as an > artist has never diminished and, of course, is unlikely ever to - but > I can see how it would sound that way. > > AS many will know, I have also been blessed to meet Joni twice and it > was SO important to me - and she was gracious and everything I could > have hoped. I have often said that my encounters with Joni's > ordinariness have been really important in my own recovery. So what > more could I possibly want? > > When I thought about that this morning, I had some notion that maybe > seeing her music played by Dave and Robin would be really wonderful > for Joni. Then I realised it is just my projection because seeing > Dave and Robin play again would, in fact, be wonderful for ME. I had > an idea that it would be a happy experience for Joni and would being > her joy. Maybe it would, I don't know. But it would certainly bring ME > joy. I also sometimes get grouchy and miffed with her because I want > to see her sing and play again, just as I wish I could sing and play > again. So, therefore, I am owning my projections and wishing Joni a > belated Happy Birthday, however and wherever she spent it! > Love > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:34:57 -0500 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Re: Judy Collins on Joni: "She's a difficult woman" I wish Joni was happier and more understanding of her standing among her fans and the world. I certainly understand that her irritation about being overlooked as a poet (although the forth-coming book might help). At the conclusion of Sheila Weller's book, I thought Joni might have found some peace and contentment. But some of her recent comments about contemporaries seems to suggest otherwise. And then there are Neil Strauss's comments. Perhaps she's working on that five volume autobiography and the opening old wounds causes renewed pain. Anyway, it's a long time since that wonderful Rowland Scherman photo of Joni and Judy in a treehouse which can be seen here: https://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/photo/default.aspx?photographID=3688 One of the reasons for Judy Collins' comments is that "Cactus Tree" is on her new release, "Bohemian". For those unable to get the album, (it's not currently available for download on Amazon, iTunes or her Wildflowers records site), here is the duet of Collins and Shawn Colvin doing "Cactus Tree": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSQDr1LRwho On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Anita G wrote: > On 8 November 2011 16:03, Catherine McKay wrote: > > She doesn't call. She doesn't write. Yeesh! > > And she doesn't turn up to gigs to see people sing and play her songs > better than she did........... > Anita (feeling bitchy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:05:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Meshell Ndegeocello performing Joni/Mingus songs with the Chicago Jazz Ensemble Hey Jack, That sounds like a (hopefully) great show. I love Me'Shell, though I've not heard anything really stunning from her in a while. She played at the tribute at Carnegie Hall and I was excited to see her on the program. Unfortunately she is over-sensitive to light or something, she came out wearing a hoodie, stared at the floor mostly, complained about the sound and the light, and I can't even remember which song she did. I assume that a full show from her would include light and sound she's comfortable with and your experience will be much better. Bob NP: Yo La Tengo, "Green Arrow" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #320 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe