From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #303 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 26 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 303 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Glee Christmas [Bob Muller ] Offer - Joni and James Taylor + Joni and Jackson Browne concerts [Joe Jon] Glee Christmas ["Betsy Blue" ] RE: Court and Spark ["Robert Sartorius" ] Re: Glee Christmas ["Betsy Blue" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Glee Christmas Hi Betsy - I too was unsure about why JT turned long into wide (doesn't exactly help the getaway), but there are MANY lovely versions of the song out there. Diane Reeves turns in an exceptional version, and Robert Downey Jr. surprised many with his heartfelt take on it in an Ally MacBeal episode. Then on the other side is Billy Squier (the "Stroke Me" dude)...his version starts off with "it's comin' on twilight, and goes downhill from there. Bob NP: Dire Straits, "Sultans Of Swing" ________________________________ From: Betsy Blue To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:55 AM Subject: Glee Christmas I've seen this news floated in a few places recently, and was hoping it wasn't true. I love the original River. Hated James Taylor's version (why "wide" instead of long?) And I thought Corrinne Bailey Rae's was too pretty. Lea Michelle has a great voice, but I'm not sure she can pull it off. Whatever production they do will surely ruin it, even if the performance is amazing. Pessimistically yours, Betsy NP River (2008 w/Herbie) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:24:35 +0100 From: Joe Jones Subject: Offer - Joni and James Taylor + Joni and Jackson Browne concerts Dear UK JMDLr's, Thanks to Jim L'Hommedieu, who sent me the CDs, I can now offer the Joni and James Taylor and Joni and Jackson Browne concerts to someone in the UK provided they agree to re-offer them. The concerts are: Joni and James Taylor, BBC in Concert, 29/10/70, Paris Cinema, London - - BBC Transcription Service LP from soundboard (1CD) Joni and Jackson Browne, Academy of Music, Philadelphia, March 2nd, 1972, high quality audience recoding. (2CDs) So, the first person to send me their name and address will be the lucky recipient. Many thanks, Joe Jones, np - Ashes and Fire - Ryan Adams - -- - -- Joe Jones +44 7831 914094 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:55:13 +0000 From: "Betsy Blue" Subject: Glee Christmas I've seen this news floated in a few places recently, and was hoping it wasn't true. I love the original River. Hated James Taylor's version (why "wide" instead of long?) And I thought Corrinne Bailey Rae's was too pretty. Lea Michelle has a great voice, but I'm not sure she can pull it off. Whatever production they do will surely ruin it, even if the performance is amazing. Pessimistically yours, Betsy NP River (2008 w/Herbie) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:31:31 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Court and Spark Mark, Wonderful post, as usual. And your thoughts are, IMO, so representative of the way in which Joni has connected with her audience through her art over the years, touching sensitive souls of different sexes, races, ages (and generations) alike. Within one of the themes you explored, I also admire I Think I Understand (fear is like a wilderland, stepping stones or sinking sand) - IMO one of her quintessentially powerful early works. And the fear/uncertainty theme is even more strongly balanced and clarified as Joni juxtaposes her worries against the redemptive power of hope.......which in the end helps keeps all of us going (and in some cases may seem to be the only such thing). "I'll challenge them with flashes from a brighter time". What a song ! http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=131 For me, the one downside is that Joni's art is so extraordinary in so many ways (the composition of the music and the lyrics - both in content and form, - the singing, the musicianship, the production quality, the live performance skills, and even the cover art), that its very excellence can be a distraction - it is often hard for me to simply listen and enjoy the songs !!! Bobsart Mark wrote (in part): "So many of those lyrics you cited from 'Court and Spark' were the very words that compelled me to identify so strongly with Joni. I was around 20 at the time I first heard them and not in any kind of what you would call a romantic relationship. But I wanted so much to be in one. My insecurity and self-consciousness, however, made that seem hopelessly out of reach................ When I was in a particularly dark frame of mind 'I'm just living on nerves and feelings with a weak and a lazy mind' felt like it fit me all too well. And 'I worry sometimes' is a mind set that plagues me to this very day......... From 'Cactus Tree': Now she rallies her defenses For she *fears* that one will ask her for eternity......................... 'I Don't Know Where I Stand' is all about her hesitancy to reveal her feelings to a new lover............. From what Joni and Graham Nash have both said about their relationship, it almost seems like Joni projected her own fear of commitment onto Graham in the song 'Willy'........... Muller mentioned 'Help Me' in relation to the theme of mental/emotional instability that I also see running through all of 'Court and Spark'....... 'The Same Situation' describes how love grants what can be a fearful power to the object of that love. She refers directly to this power later on in the song 'A Strange Boy' - 'I gave him power over me'........ In the song 'Man to Man' from 'Wild Things Run Fast', the album that has been branded by some as 'love happy', she sings When I saw you standing there I was *scared*, I thought Here's a place I could break down and care I sure hope he can care I hope I can really care And in 'Moon at the Window' she flat out declares 'and pleasure always turns to fear, I find'................ I'm sure there were other meanderings of my mind that I missed putting into this............." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:06:33 +0000 From: "Betsy Blue" Subject: Re: Glee Christmas Bob, Thanks for bringing up Diane Reeves. I wasn't aware of a River cover, but her voice is beautiful and I am looking forward to checking it out. Tori Amos is currently doing her version live on tour. It's nice, especially if you're into Tori. I just didn't like the lyrical quote of Jingle Bells. The musical quote was obvious enough. Oh...the other issue I had with JT was the Greensleeves sub-in. It didn't work. Joni does an amazing job incorporating standards into her songs, and they become complete/indivisible works. I hate to bring up the art vs. song comparison again, but it's like seeing a collage with different pictures pasted over the originals. Betsy NP I Feel Fine, The Beatles - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:17:11 To: Betsy Blue; joni@smoe.org Reply-To: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Glee Christmas Hi Betsy - I too was unsure about why JT turned long into wide (doesn't exactly help the getaway), but there are MANY lovely versions of the song out there. Diane Reeves turns in an exceptional version, and Robert Downey Jr. surprised many with his heartfelt take on it in an Ally MacBeal episode. Then on the other side is Billy Squier (the "Stroke Me" dude)...his version starts off with "it's comin' on twilight, and goes downhill from there. Bob NP: Dire Straits, "Sultans Of Swing" ________________________________ From: Betsy Blue To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:55 AM Subject: Glee Christmas I've seen this news floated in a few places recently, and was hoping it wasn't true. I love the original River. Hated James Taylor's version (why "wide" instead of long?) And I thought Corrinne Bailey Rae's was too pretty. Lea Michelle has a great voice, but I'm not sure she can pull it off. Whatever production they do will surely ruin it, even if the performance is amazing. Pessimistically yours, Betsy NP River (2008 w/Herbie) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #303 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe