From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #230 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 18 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 230 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: authority SJC (but not in this post) [Mike Pritchard ] Two Grey Rooms [ava rosenblum ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Jamie Zubairi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:56:55 +0200 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: RE: authority SJC (but not in this post) >>Do you think it is possible for their to be a stable "I" to write from? I think it's a bit of a stretch to think the self is that solid, that unified. Even an autobiographical song may capture how you're feeling one year (one day, one hour) but not the next, right? << I think its *possible*, but very difficult and probably impractical i.e. limiting for a writer, especially over a long career. I think that Baumanns work on Liquidity shows that most things (gender roles, family roles, the personality, or self/selves, etc.) are more variable (liquid) than solid (fixed). I am concurrently a son, brother, friend, lover, teacher, student etc, and you KNOW there are WAY more. These do not (often) clash; they are complementary parts of my unique self, or my multiple individual selves. >>Why is it that we are accustomed to literary writers using first-person voices but we tend to expect singers to be singing about themselves? Is it because of the difference between the voice (which comes from a body) and the written word -- which can travel away from the body who wrote it?<< This *may* be about the difference between the voice and word, Im not thats all there is to it. While Im thinking about this (I may respond later) I would add that I have recently read two novels (police procedurals) by Irish writer Tana French. The first (In the Woods) has a first-person male narrator and a female colleague. The second book (The Likeness) is written from the first-person female perspective of the colleague. Both seem *authentic* (plausible) to me and I wouldnt know if they were written by a man or a woman. Just sayin. And on the subject of Irish writers, one of my favourite books is *At Swim-Two-Birds* by Flann OBrien, and here the concept of the author, or *authorial authority*, is blown to smithereens. I had an idea last night about Miles second question but was watching *Murder, My Sweet* at the time and the idea had escaped when the film finished. More later, I hope. mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:59:49 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: LA joni tribute ONe hour before the show! We are all there with you I am so happy for you that you are there and that you are there altogether. You bring a part of us with you! H U G S to everyone there! Have fun! in joni hippie love joni true love stardust gOLDEn LOve Marianne HI Joni! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:38:19 -0500 From: ava rosenblum Subject: Two Grey Rooms i was listening to Two Grey Rooms tonight on NRH. The lyrics are so intriguing that I looked online to see of there is a story behind them. What a fascinating portrait created by JM. Thought some of you who didn't know this would be similarly intrigued. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Grey_Rooms ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:28:51 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Just to note on the video compilation which has Two Grey Rooms within it, Joni says she came across this story "about a fella, someone from Fassbender's scene" whereas Wikipedia (which often gets things wrong) claims it's Fassbender himself. I can't imagine if Fassbender were gay that he'd hole himself up out of the public eye just to watch someone walk past twice a day. I love the story though, and the song. And the opening chord sequence. Jamie Zubairi Sent from my iPhone On 18 Aug 2011, at 04:38, ava rosenblum wrote: > i was listening to Two Grey Rooms tonight on NRH. The lyrics are so > intriguing that I looked online to see of there is a story behind > them. What a fascinating portrait created by JM. Thought some of you > who didn't know this would be similarly intrigued. > > >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Grey_Rooms ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #230 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe