From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #211 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 30 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 211 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE:Edith and the Kingpin - last few lines [Mike Pritchard ] Re: bluesy S&L [Catherine McKay ] RE: bluesy S&L [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 [Anita G ] Re: bluesy S&L [Catherine McKay ] RE: bluesy S&L [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Legends of the C, Edith, and bluesy S&L [Bob Muller ] Re: Legends of the C, Edith, and bluesy S&L [Chandra Subject: RE:Edith and the Kingpin - last few lines My ipod classifies A Tribute to Joni Mitchell as country and folk. Im not sure if Bjork, Caetano Veloso, Prince and Brad Mehldau would agree. Listening right now to Costellos take on Edith (Hi Walt) but after Tinas definitive version on River, its tough to listen to any other, even the original. mike in bcn: NP Edith and the Kingpin  Elvis Costello ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:32:55 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin - last few lines but after Tina s > definitive version on River, it s tough to listen to any other, even the > original. > mike in bcn: NP Edith and the Kingpin Elvis Costello Mike, I know Tina Turner's version has been widely praised and I have to say that I do really love her version. She brings such weightiness to the words. How she sings the first line 'The Big Man arrives' and I am particularly taken by the wires are 'hummmmmmming' I remember reading reviews at the time that inferred that her understanding of the song came through her life experience. I think the way the song comes across when she sings it gives a lot of credence to that idea, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:47:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin Thanks Stewart. Very cool. My vision of the Kingpin in the song has always been an organized crime kingpin rather than specifically a drug kingpin, drugs being only a tool in that crime that includes prostitution. "He tilts their tired faces, gently to the spoon" turning them on to heroine to control them, but he is controlled by Edith who validates him, "She says --- his crime belongs." The song title is Edith and the Kingpin not The Kingpin and Edith. It has a feminist flavor to it in my opinion. No matter how strong the big man is, he is addicted to her. Yet there is a leveling in the staring match. Have to wonder which one looks away first? My guess would be her. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: "Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Edith and the Kingpin In the 2008 Mojo magazine interview Joni was discussing her song writing and said, - -: "Sometimes you write about the exact thing you saw, but other times you take something that happened over here and put it with something over there. In 'Edith And The Kingpin,' part of it is from a Vancouver pimp I met and part of it is Edith Piaf. It's a hybrid, but all together it makes a whole truth." Edith Piaf was a famous French singer. She was known to have addictions to morphine and alcohol. In 1935 Piaf was discovered in the Pigalle area of Paris by nightclub owner Louis Leplie. Leplie was murdered and Piaf was questioned and accused as an accessory, but was acquitted. Apparently Leplie had been killed by mobsters with previous ties to Piaf. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1834&from=search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bluesy S&L - --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Walt Breen wrote: > Among the > things I downloaded (on one of the Unplugged collections) > was a live recording > of lousy sound quality of clearly Joni playing guitar, but > I didn't recognize > the song at all at first; then snatches of lyrics began to > rings bells -- at > first, I thought it must be a cover -- and finally i > realized with a shock > that it was a bluesy version of Shadows and Light. Anybody > ever catch this > live? Very interesting take. Best to all, > > Walt > I think I know the one whereof you speak. It's just Joni and the guitar and the tuning is the same as for Coyote and DJRD as far as I recall. I think it's from the famed Philadelphia Spectrum show, where she also did Coyote and DJRD as one long sequence. It may also be the same show where she sang "The Dowie Dens of Yarrow," the only known recording of that particular song (that I'm aware of.) I have that show somewhere and now I need to find it and get it on my Ipod. The sound quality is not the best, but I really do love that particular live performance for so many reasons and I have played that version of S&L because it's cool, baby, cool! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:16:02 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: bluesy S&L Hi Walt, I've also heard a version of this from the Last Waltz tapes. Jerry sent a link to it recently: *Vault Digging for Joni Mitchell* I've never heard of this show whereof you speak, Catherine! Tell us more! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:51 AM To: Jonilist Digest; Walt Breen Subject: Re: bluesy S&L - --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Walt Breen wrote: > Among the > things I downloaded (on one of the Unplugged collections) > was a live recording > of lousy sound quality of clearly Joni playing guitar, but > I didn't recognize > the song at all at first; then snatches of lyrics began to > rings bells -- at > first, I thought it must be a cover -- and finally i > realized with a shock > that it was a bluesy version of Shadows and Light. Anybody > ever catch this > live? Very interesting take. Best to all, > > Walt > I think I know the one whereof you speak. It's just Joni and the guitar and the tuning is the same as for Coyote and DJRD as far as I recall. I think it's from the famed Philadelphia Spectrum show, where she also did Coyote and DJRD as one long sequence. It may also be the same show where she sang "The Dowie Dens of Yarrow," the only known recording of that particular song (that I'm aware of.) I have that show somewhere and now I need to find it and get it on my Ipod. The sound quality is not the best, but I really do love that particular live performance for so many reasons and I have played that version of S&L because it's cool, baby, cool! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 Sharon, I enjoyed reading your post about your concert memory. From looking at the chronology at http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm it looks like your show was in March of 1974 at Austin Coliseum in Austin. There are some more details at http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/detail.cfm?id=1810 It looks like that show featured LA Express as Joni's band. Although there's no official video of that tour, you can relive the audio on a CD called "Miles of Aisles". It's an understatemtnt to say it's worthwhile. I've never seen video of the Miles of Ailes tour but maybe one of the collectors here can enlighten both of us. Jim L'Hommedieu >In Spring 1974 Joni did a concert in Austin, Texas. Does anyone out there have video of this show, or can you direct me to a website that does? ... I would love it of I could find a DVD of the concert or an upload on the web.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:22:11 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 I guess the closest thing to the Miles Of Aisles period on film was the 'Old Grey Whistle Test' special which was shot at the New Victoria Theatre in London. I think some of that footage is on YouTube. It's by the BBC. I would really love them to spruceit up and produce it as a DVD. Wouldn't that be beautiful? Jamie Zoob On 29 July 2011 17:04, Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu) wrote: > Sharon, > > I enjoyed reading your post about your concert memory. From looking at the > chronology at > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm > > it looks like your show was in March of 1974 at Austin Coliseum in Austin. > There are some more details at > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/detail.cfm?id=1810 > > It looks like that show featured LA Express as Joni's band. Although > there's no official video of that tour, you can > relive the audio on a CD called "Miles of Aisles". It's an understatemtnt > to say it's worthwhile. I've never seen video of the Miles of Ailes tour > but maybe one of the collectors here can enlighten both of us. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > > >In Spring 1974 Joni did a concert in Austin, Texas. Does anyone out there > have video of this show, or can you direct me to a website that does? ... I > would love it of I could find a DVD of the concert or an upload on the web.> > - -- Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Acting Agent: Pelham Associates 01273 323 010 Facebook VoiceOvers SpotLight Twitter Currently working on *'Skylarking*' a solo performance for various festivals in the UK. Appearances: Wolf: Let Us Prey 22-24 July 2011. Tickets: Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:22:20 +0000 From: Kelly Loughran Subject: Holla hey! do you need this? http://www.gaysvalencianos.com/summer_828.htm Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:53:50 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 Jamie, do you have a link at all for that Old Grey Whistle Test footage? I was at the New Victoria Theatre when Joni Played there with Tom Scott, but I have never seen any footage. That wold be amazing. I really loved my 'Miles of Aisles' album but someone stole it many years ago. I have never seen it available on cd. Anita On 29 July 2011 17:22, Jamie Zubairi Home wrote: > I guess the closest thing to the Miles Of Aisles period on film was the 'Old > Grey Whistle Test' special which was shot at the New Victoria Theatre in > London. I think some of that footage is on YouTube. It's by the BBC. I would > really love them to spruceit up and produce it as a DVD. Wouldn't that be > beautiful? > > Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:59:22 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: bluesy S&L I have never heard of the show nor the 'Dowie Dens of Yarrow' either. It sounds like an ancient song from the North of England. Forsooth, Mistress Catherine, do tell of this show wherof you speak and prithee disclose more regarding this olde sounding tune Anita &id=5d10f3f2f6&e=c19b78f334> > > I've never heard of this show whereof you speak, Catherine! Tell us more! > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bluesy S&L I do not make this sh*t up, y'know. I'll have to hunt down the CD when I get home (right now, I'm goofing off at work, because it's the Friday before a long weekend, the boss is away, things are relatively quiet here.... and I ONLY HAVE EIGHT DAYS OF WORK LEFT BEFORE I CAN BE OUTTA HERE FOREVER!) I know that others on the list also have this show. If I find it, I will upload it somewhere so people can, um, download it. Someone else may beat me to this (hint, hint: it takes Catherine a while to *find* stuff sometimes, because it usually involves hauling out a bunch of boxes and then hunting through them and she gets distracted while doing this and forgets the point of why she started.) In the meantime, here's a wee bit o' proof. Go to the website below and search for Mitchell, Joni: http://members.chello.nl/r.vandijk2/ChildBallads210-219.html I believe Joni had broken a string on her guitar and that she sings this song a capella while changing the string, or else she recounts the days when she had only one guitar and no horde of guitar techs doing the work for her and launches into this song, which is a Child Ballad about a young woman who has many men courting her, but she loves only one. The other bastards get together and kill him and she wraps him in her long yellow hair. Something like that. Y'know, the usual stuff of sad ballads. - --- On Fri, 7/29/11, Anita G wrote: > From: Anita G > Subject: Re: bluesy S&L > To: "Susan Tierney McNamara" > Cc: "Catherine McKay" , "Jonilist Digest" , "Walt Breen" > Received: Friday, July 29, 2011, 1:59 PM > I have never heard of the show nor > the 'Dowie Dens of Yarrow' either. > It sounds like an ancient song from the North of England. > Forsooth, > Mistress Catherine, do tell of this show wherof you speak > and prithee > disclose more regarding this olde sounding tune > Anita > > &id=5d10f3f2f6&e=c19b78f334> > > > > I've never heard of this show whereof you speak, > Catherine! Tell us more! > > > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:44:52 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: bluesy S&L I found a reference to the song in the JM.com library here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=435&from=search - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:27 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Anita G Cc: Jonilist Digest; Walt Breen Subject: Re: bluesy S&L I do not make this sh*t up, y'know. I'll have to hunt down the CD when I get home (right now, I'm goofing off at work, because it's the Friday before a long weekend, the boss is away, things are relatively quiet here.... and I ONLY HAVE EIGHT DAYS OF WORK LEFT BEFORE I CAN BE OUTTA HERE FOREVER!) I know that others on the list also have this show. If I find it, I will upload it somewhere so people can, um, download it. Someone else may beat me to this (hint, hint: it takes Catherine a while to *find* stuff sometimes, because it usually involves hauling out a bunch of boxes and then hunting through them and she gets distracted while doing this and forgets the point of why she started.) In the meantime, here's a wee bit o' proof. Go to the website below and search for Mitchell, Joni: http://members.chello.nl/r.vandijk2/ChildBallads210-219.html I believe Joni had broken a string on her guitar and that she sings this song a capella while changing the string, or else she recounts the days when she had only one guitar and no horde of guitar techs doing the work for her and launches into this song, which is a Child Ballad about a young woman who has many men courting her, but she loves only one. The other bastards get together and kill him and she wraps him in her long yellow hair. Something like that. Y'know, the usual stuff of sad ballads. - --- On Fri, 7/29/11, Anita G wrote: > From: Anita G > Subject: Re: bluesy S&L > To: "Susan Tierney McNamara" > Cc: "Catherine McKay" , "Jonilist Digest" , "Walt Breen" > Received: Friday, July 29, 2011, 1:59 PM > I have never heard of the show nor > the 'Dowie Dens of Yarrow' either. > It sounds like an ancient song from the North of England. > Forsooth, > Mistress Catherine, do tell of this show wherof you speak > and prithee > disclose more regarding this olde sounding tune > Anita > > &id=5d10f3f2f6&e=c19b78f334> > > > > I've never heard of this show whereof you speak, > Catherine! Tell us more! > > > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:55:42 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Subject: Joni's Austin Concert 1974 Am 29.07.2011 19:53, Wie Anita G so vortrefflich formulierte: > Jamie, do you have a link at all for that Old Grey Whistle Test > footage? I was at the New Victoria Theatre when Joni Played there with > Tom Scott, but I have never seen any footage. That wold be amazing. Joni & LA Express, Help Me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4oY8ojxp_8 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:30:27 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin Hi Laura, My vision of the Kingpin is that he's a drug lord and a pimp. Edith is new in town and she doesn't know the Kingpin yet (i.e., one by one they bring his renegade stories to her - his crimes and his glories to her) and the Kingpin is dead-set on luring her into his seedy world of drugs, sex and prostitution Edith's power lies in her beauty and her ability to seduce men (including the Kingpin). In the end - the Kingpin wins the power struggle - Edith becomes addicted to heroine and most likely and a prostitute. That's the image I have after listening to this song over the years..........Happy Friday : -) |------------> | From: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Lc Stanley | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | To: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com" , "joni@smoe.org" | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Date: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |07/29/2011 10:48 AM | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Subject: | |------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Re: Edith and the Kingpin | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Thanks Stewart. Very cool. My vision of the Kingpin in the song has always been an organized crime kingpin rather than specifically a drug kingpin, drugs being only a tool in that crime that includes prostitution. "He tilts their tired faces, gently to the spoon" turning them on to heroine to control them, but he is controlled by Edith who validates him, "She says --- his crime belongs." The song title is Edith and the Kingpin not The Kingpin and Edith. It has a feminist flavor to it in my opinion. No matter how strong the big man is, he is addicted to her. Yet there is a leveling in the staring match. Have to wonder which one looks away first? My guess would be her. Love, Laura From: "Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:14 AM Subject:, Edith and the Kingpin In the 2008 Mojo magazine interview Joni was discussing her song writing and said, -: "Sometimes you write about the exact thing you saw, but other times you take something that happened over here and put it with something over there. In 'Edith And The Kingpin,' part of it is from a Vancouver pimp I met and part of it is Edith Piaf. It's a hybrid, but all together it makes a whole truth." Edith Piaf was a famous French singer. She was known to have addictions to morphine and alcohol. In 1935 Piaf was discovered in the Pigalle area of Paris by nightclub owner Louis Leplie. Leplie was murdered and Piaf was questioned and accused as an accessory, but was acquitted. Apparently Leplie had been killed by mobsters with previous ties to Piaf. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1834&from=search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Piaf - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz Tickets Hi David, I'm officially getting very excited for this show. It's a bit surreal, because I've been in Beijing for 4+ months now and am heading home for about 20 days on the 10th. Hopefully I can adjust OK to the 12-hour time difference between China and SC in time to adjust to the 3-hour difference between LA and SC. The flight to the west coast will seem like NOTHING compared to the 26-hour flight that awaits. Will be awesome to meet you after all these years. Anita, 2 tickets freed up - see you and Steph there for Joni. Bob - ----- Original Message ---- From: David Marine To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 6:56:01 AM Subject: Joni's Jazz Tickets Hey List! A close friend of mine is coming to town for Joni's Jazz, and has purchased box seats for us. That frees up the two tickets that I have for the group that Julius put together. If anyone is in need of tickets, please contact me off-list. I'm still looking forward to getting together with everyone before the show, of course! Best, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Legends of the C, Edith, and bluesy S&L Hi Walt - like you I was thrilled to hear that one of my favorite singer-songwriters (Elvis C) was covering one of my favorite singer-songwriters (Joni M) and I dig his take on Edith a bunch. I had actually bought a bootleg concert of his on Ebay a couple years prior where he performed it; unfortunately the quality of the recording was really terrible. My favorite cut on that Joni tribute CD is the Sufjan Stevens cover of FMIP but I am probably the only one who feels that way. While I don't care for Bjork, I was awfully glad to hear her "Boho Dance" because it officially finished HOSL in terms of covers. Every song on that album has been covered. Not so with DED. Speaking of HOSL, that bluesy S&L is sweet. She re-worked it for her abbreviated '76 tour. I've got about 6 of those shows, the best one being the Philly Spectrum show referenced by Catherine. That one is a must have, got it a while back from our own favorite webmaster. I have a German-language cover of S&L waiting for me when I get home, among other things. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:42:11 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: bluesy S&L There's a traditional song called 'Dens of Yarrow' on Judy Collins' cd 'Paradise'. And I swear I've seen a video of that bluesy 'S&L' but I can't think where! It seems somebody here posted a link to it at one time. I took a cursory look at Youtube and couldn't spot it. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 11:26 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara ; Anita G Cc: Jonilist Digest ; Walt Breen Subject: Re: bluesy S&L I do not make this sh*t up, y'know. I'll have to hunt down the CD when I get home (right now, I'm goofing off at work, because it's the Friday before a long weekend, the boss is away, things are relatively quiet here.... and I ONLY HAVE EIGHT DAYS OF WORK LEFT BEFORE I CAN BE OUTTA HERE FOREVER!) I know that others on the list also have this show. If I find it, I will upload it somewhere so people can, um, download it. Someone else may beat me to this (hint, hint: it takes Catherine a while to *find* stuff sometimes, because it usually involves hauling out a bunch of boxes and then hunting through them and she gets distracted while doing this and forgets the point of why she started.) In the meantime, here's a wee bit o' proof. Go to the website below and search for Mitchell, Joni: http://members.chello.nl/r.vandijk2/ChildBallads210-219.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:42:40 -0700 From: Chandra Subject: Re: Legends of the C, Edith, and bluesy S&L Bob It is my favorite track on the CD and the only one I listen to separate from the listening to the complete CD. I had not heard him previous to the Joni tribute, but have pick up several of his releases over the last four years. Big fan of " Come On Feel the Illinoise" =========================== Roch At 05:22 PM 7/29/2011, Bob Muller wrote: My favorite cut on that Joni tribute CD is the Sufjan Stevens cover of FMIP but I am probably the only one who feels that way. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #211 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe