From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #207 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, July 26 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 207 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Norway [David Marine ] Getting it [Vince ] Small unexpected Joni mention (VLJC) [Loren Carter ] Joni & James at the BBC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni & James at the BBC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Norway Hey List, I'v been shocked and extremely saddened by the news from Norway; partly because of the scope and nature of the crime, and partly because of the affinity that I have developed for Norway over the years through music. Not only is our Oddmund from Norway, but so are two of my favorite musicians: the fantastically talented Sondre Lerche and the brilliant Erlend Oye. And of course, Joni's paternal grandparents were Norwegian. I've come to view Norway as an almost magical place: egalitarian, peaceful, musical, and spectacularly beautiful. I am horrified by the terrorist attack, and my deepest condolences go out to Oddmund and all affected. Best, David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:38:01 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Getting it What I said: I did not comment regarding those who posted nothing on Saturday. We all have our own reasons for that. What I said: The posts we had Saturday were 'oh what a tragedy, Amy Winehouse has died.' What I said: That deeply troubled me. What would have given a proper perspective would have been: On this very tragic day we hear the sad news that Amy Winehouse has died. In the wake of Oslo the tragedy was the slaughter of innocents. That is what I said. I added that our silence 'on this very tragic day' when we were posting away about Winehouse was disappointing, why not give the the victims their due while here. I noted this was true of facebook postings as well. I added that this was sad because (did I say it three times) I know the good hearts of JMDLers. And I have caught hell since. And that is that. I stand by what I posted. Kakki gave me a nice word of explanation on facebook for the phenomena, thanks friend! Otherwise, it is what it is and so it goes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Carter Subject: Small unexpected Joni mention (VLJC) All, Don't know if this was noted before, but we were watching the latest Shrek movie, and he said, "You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone." Shrek traded one day of his life for a chance to experience his previous life before things changed drastically (wife and kids, etc.), only to learn that what he had was a pretty good thing. humbly, Loren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Branyon Subject: Nietzsche and Joni and Jesus In my reading Joni's main Nietzsche reference is from "Dog Eat Dog" and I'm not sure of the song names but the direct quotes include: "Power walks it on crooked legs" and "So we call for the three great stimulants, of the exhausted ones, artifice, brutality and innocence." I've just written a book partially about Nietzsche with some Joni quotes called: "Liberating Liberals, a synthesis of Nietzsche and Jesus, Vonnegut and Marx (Groucho, not Karl). First off, "thus Spake Zarathustra" is terrible and incomprehensible. All the rest: "Beyond Good and Evil," "The Antichrist," "A Geneology of Morals" are often very entertaining and sometimes amazing. I'm not too interested in his "will to power", "amor fati," "overman," or "eternal return." To me Nietzsche's main value is in breaking barriers to freethinking and his discovery that excessive clinging to meaning, morality and seriousness are the biggest and most unlikely barriers. Whereas exploring meaninglessness, relative morality, and humor are the solutions. Also, Nietzsche admires Jesus, but he takes the teachings of Jesus apart like no other, and shows how skewed it is too self-sacrifice, and how hurtful to individualty often. B Here are the two quotes I discuss a lot in my book: bMan suffers,bB Nietzsche writes, bbut man suffers most from his inability to provide his suffering with meaning. Religion, morality and philosophy attempt to alleviate this predicamentb&. Religion promises an afterlife,b&Morality gives man guilt, because punishment is easier to bear than meaningless pain. Philosophy speaks of ideal worlds to anesthetize man against the sting of existing in a non-ideal worldb&. B B B B B B B [These retreats] are humanities revenge on life for their suffering. But they reject lifeb&and for what? There is nothing else. They reject life for nothing!.. All those who cannot celebrate life in all its meaninglessness are nihilistsb&. they would rather believe in nothing than in life."As long as there have been people, we have felt too little joy: that alone is our original sinb& And learning better to feel joy, we learn best not to hurt others b&. By my love and hope I entreat you: do not reject the hero in your soul! Keep holy your highest hope!b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:23:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni & James at the BBC My brother John appreciates James Taylor, as I do. It occurred to me tonight, that he might like to have the coolest version ever (IMO) of "Steamroller Blues" which is on "Joni & James at the BBC". The chronology puts it at October 29th, of 1970. http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/searchtextchrono.cfm Does anyone have any more detail about the venue or the personnel? Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:48:44 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni & James at the BBC Jim L'Hommedieu wrote in part: > ...the coolest version ever (IMO) of "Steamroller Blues" which is on > "Joni & James at the BBC". The chronology puts it at October 29th, of > 1970. > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/searchtextchrono.cfm I'm replying to my own post! Does anyone need a CD of Joni Mitchell and James Taylor at the BBC, recorded on October 29, 1970? The first 11 tracks of this CD were mastered directly from an LP that the BBC sent to radio stations, by the JMDL's own Simon Montgomery. You won't find a cleaner sound unless you tape it yourself. On this disc is my favorite version of California too. I'll spin these for folks in the US and Canada. Please write to me offlist, and I'll send my mailing address to you. The way this works: You send a blank CD-R to me along with return postage. I burn the music and send it back along with a printed track list. No money changes hands so this is not bootlegging. If JMDLers in other countries need this disc, I hope that someone in the UK, Australia, NZ, Austria, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Italy, Ukraine, etc. will step forward and help them out. It's been too long since we reached out to new collectors. I'm going to assume that everyone here has already bought one (or more) copies of "Blue" and "Sweet Baby James". Jim L'Hommedieu - --------------------------- JONI MITCHELL BBC "IN CONCERT" w/ James Taylor PARIS CINEMA London, England / Oct. 29, 1970 Source: BBC Transcription Service LP, #CN 1485 / S 1 That Song About the Midway JM 2 The Gallery JM 3 Rainy Day Man JT 4 Steamroller Blues JT 5 The Priest JM 6 Carey JM 7 Carolina In My Mind JT 8 California JM + JT 9 For Free JM + JT 10 The Circle Game JM + JT 11 You Can Close Your Eyes JM + JT Source: Aircheck- Tape Source (UK Broadcast) 12 Hunter JM 13 River JM 14 My Old Man JM 15 A Case Of You JM + JT 16 Carey (w/complete intro) JM ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #207 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe