From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #204 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 23 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 204 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Nietzsche [Catherine McKay ] Re: angry Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Nietzsche [Lc Stanley ] angry Joni? [betsyblue82@gmail.com] RE: Nietzsche [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Nietzsche [Anita G ] A minor miracle? Tickets and Nietzsche ["kbhla" ] If your band wants to play Jazz Fest in New Orleans [Michael Paz ] Re: Nietzsche [Anita G ] Re: DED ["Cassy" ] RE: DED [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Sharing a Great Article ["Cassy" ] Re: DED [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nietzsche Well, honestly, this one stood out for me. I wonder if that's where Joni got the idea for "Dancin' Clown"? > > You need chaos in your soul to give birth > to a dancing star. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: angry Joni He doens't exactly sound like a barrel of laughs to me, having read those quotes that Laura provided. Maybe something got lost in translation, and cocaine brought it back. > >From: Rob Wh >To: Catherine McKay ; Mark ; >joni >Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 2:10:13 AM >Subject: Re: angry Joni > > >I tried to read Nietzsche once and gave up: life's just too damn short and one >must make choices. In the 1979 Rolling Stone interview with Cameron Crowe Joni >recalled bonding quite quickly and easily with Jaco because, like her, he >recognized that Nietzsche was funny. Presumably he's one of those German >philosophers who goes down best with white powder ... >Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Nietzsche Catherine wrote: Well, honestly, this one stood out for me. I wonder if that's where Joni got the idea for "Dancin' Clown"? > > You need chaos in yourB soul to give birth > to a dancing star. Hi Catherine, Here is what Nietzche says about antagonism towards dancing clowns: "I have never understood the art of arousing antagonism (and for this, too, I may thank my incomparable father), even when it seemed to me most ,worth while to do so. However unchristian it may seem, I do not even bear any ill-feeling towards myself. Examine my life as you may, you will find but seldom-perhaps indeed only once-any trace of some one's having shown me ill-will; but you might perhaps discover too many traces of good-will. My experiences even with those with whom every other man's relations have been disastrous, speak without exception in their favor; I tame every bear, I can make even clowns behave well." (taken from "Why I am So Wise" in Nietzche's "Ecce Homo," B http://nietzsche.holtof.com/Nietzsche_ecce_homo/eh1.html) Here is another paragraph of Nietzche for those who are curious about him: Thus Spoke ZarathustraB (Prologue, B'B'3b4): "I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him? b& All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood, and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is ape to man? A laughing stock or painful embarrassment. And man shall be that to overman: a laughingstock or painful embarrassment. You have made your way from worm to man, and much in you is still worm. Once you were apes, and even now, too, man is more ape than any ape.... The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overmanB shall beB the meaning of the earth.... Man is a rope, tied between beast and overmanba rope over an abyss b& what is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end." > > >Nietzsche'sB "Will to Power" philosophy reminds me of Joni's album Shine. B It basically professes that power is the motive of all nature including human nature. B It does seem to be in keeping with the fact that despite our will to survive we kill the earth and ourselves in the process of satisfying our will to power. > > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:06:21 +0000 From: betsyblue82@gmail.com Subject: angry Joni? I never thought of Joni as being angry on any entire album. On DED, in particular, she seems rather maternal. She was finally more worried about what was going on in the world outside herself. In retrospect, the theme of the album may have been sharing her perspective on life with her newly adult daughter. Or maybe it's her voice. Even early on, her alto was gorgeous, but on DED her lowest range was opening up in a really beautiful way, while her higher register was still mostly intact. Her singing skills had improved a lot since the early 70s, too. She certainly wasn't reaching for the top notes in a displeasing way or gasping and inserting H's before her vowels to cover, as she had to later on. (Singers-there's a term for this, isn't there?) Or maybe it's just me. After all, I was a toddler when DED was released and Joni is my grandmother's age (but way cooler because she wasn't saddled with an ankle-biter). So DED was a kind of Grimm's Fairy Tales in my house. I haven't read Nietzsche either, and I barely know about Robespierre, but Joni's songs have lead me straight to wikipedia more times than I can count. That's more than you can say for 99% of artists. - -Betsy NP: Funhouse (Pink) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:09:23 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Nietzsche Thanks Laura. These are my favorites: - -But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful! - -What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lc Stanley Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:08 AM To: Joni List Subject: Nietzsche Here are some Nietzsche quotes for you. B I thought of Joni especially when I read the last one one since she told theB L.A. TimesB in 2000 when asked about pop music:B "I think it is in a horrible state. I don't even think of it as music anymore, but just the 'ic' business. It's 'icky' because the 'muse' has gone out of it. The divinity that it once contained is gone. B Enjoy! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:16:02 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Nietzsche Well, I'm channelling Julie Andrews and the 'Sound of Music' with: "When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you." Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:24:52 -0700 From: "kbhla" Subject: A minor miracle? Tickets and Nietzsche Chris, There are still bench seats in the back available. One of my neighbors picked up a couple tickets at the Bowl box office yesterday. I don't think there are any more tickets in our group seating but it's always possible that one could later become available. It would be fantastic if you (and Anita) could join us! Kakki P.S. Loved the Nietzsche quotes, Laura! I also think he had a sense of humor ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:12:50 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: If your band wants to play Jazz Fest in New Orleans So many of you are so worthy to play the fest. If you are interested here is where to apply. Best paz Festival Productions, the people who bring you Jazz Fest each year, have a couple of announcements. First, if you'd like to be considered for Jazz Fest this year, you need to apply by October 1. The application process can be found online here. http://www.nojazzfest.com/apply/ Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nietzsche The abyss is alive... with the staring of abysses. Or maybe something sung by the Abbess, like, "How do you solve a problem like Maria"? You don't, you just stare into an abyss. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anita G > To: Susan Tierney McNamara > Cc: Lc Stanley ; Joni List ; Catherine >McKay > Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 12:16:02 PM > Subject: Re: Nietzsche > > Well, I'm channelling Julie Andrews and the 'Sound of Music' with: > > "When you stare into the > abyss the abyss stares back at you." > > Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:42:04 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Nietzsche Picture shiny, happy young woman with bleached white smile, bursting into: "I am sixteen, going on seventeen, I know that i'm Naaaiiiiveee" Grumpy Old Woman looking suspiciously like Anita growls: 'Get over yourself. Go stare at the Abyss.' On 22 July 2011 19:09, Catherine McKay wrote: > The abyss is alive... with the staring of abysses. > > Or maybe something sung by the Abbess, like, "How do you solve a problem like > Maria"? You don't, you just stare into an abyss. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:40:24 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: DED From: Catherine McKay <<< I'm enjoying this discussion too. So many different takes and opinions, with some loving it and some hating it, and some just thinking, "Meh!" about the whole thing. >>> So... Who would have thought I'd be dragged back this way by Dog Eat Dog? Perhaps a few of you might have guessed after seeing me do a bad rendition of "Tax Free" in Idyllwild (perhaps with a bit more than 10 minutes rehearsal time it could have been more... something) with Bob as the preacher and Dave on guitar - They were brilliant. One of my favorite Joni songs. I have always had a soft-spot for Dog Eat Dog. Not one of Joni's masterpieces for sure but an LP that found it's way to my turntable time after time as I analyzed the lyrics and came back to a socially conscious mindset after years of selfish over indulgence in cocaine-fueled ennui. I've written about DED (Sorry Catherine) before so I won't go into too much detail but I had to weigh in as a big fan of DED. Warmly, Cassy NP: Joe Sample - Black and White (As Simple As ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:49:12 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: DED I must protest ... I was just listening to your extremely NOT bad rendition of Tax-Free from SoCal 2009 yesterday and I thought it was brilliant!!!! Your voice was beautiful and Bob was amazing as the megalomaniac preacher. Plus Dave nailed the music as usual. I have to say that I never wept so much at a set of songs than when you performed that night at Idyllwild. You are beautiful Cassy!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Cassy Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:40 PM To: Catherine McKay; JMDL Subject: Re: DED From: Catherine McKay <<< I'm enjoying this discussion too. So many different takes and opinions, with some loving it and some hating it, and some just thinking, "Meh!" about the whole thing. >>> So... Who would have thought I'd be dragged back this way by Dog Eat Dog? Perhaps a few of you might have guessed after seeing me do a bad rendition of "Tax Free" in Idyllwild (perhaps with a bit more than 10 minutes rehearsal time it could have been more... something) with Bob as the preacher and Dave on guitar - They were brilliant. One of my favorite Joni songs. I have always had a soft-spot for Dog Eat Dog. Not one of Joni's masterpieces for sure but an LP that found it's way to my turntable time after time as I analyzed the lyrics and came back to a socially conscious mindset after years of selfish over indulgence in cocaine-fueled ennui. I've written about DED (Sorry Catherine) before so I won't go into too much detail but I had to weigh in as a big fan of DED. Warmly, Cassy NP: Joe Sample - Black and White (As Simple As ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:55:18 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Sharing a Great Article I thought since I am here I might as well share the following article for those of you who may never have read it, itbs one of the better reads regarding what is arguably Jonibs best song bAmelia.b http://www.slate.com/id/2180012/nav/tap3/ Re-reading this also reminded me of the fantastic series 33-1/3 which still has volumes being published: http://33third.blogspot.com/p/complete-list-of-33-13-series_27.html Anyway... I think thatbs enough for one day... I have a ton of work to do as I move into Markbs neck of the woods: Shoreline, WA. Warmly, Cassy NP: Jackopierce b Capable Girl b Live ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: DED Perhaps a few of you might have guessed after seeing me do a bad rendition of "Tax Free" in Idyllwild> Cassy, nothing bad about it - Dave was of course flawless, and you were nervous but totally nailed it. I was honored to have been a part of it and I think we did a great job. Always much fun to "premiere" a Joni song at fest. Bob NP: Robbie Robertson, "She's Not Mine" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #204 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe