From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #155 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 4 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 155 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Ray LaMontagne Song- For the Summer [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: HOSL vs. Hejira [Gerald Notaro ] Re: HOSL vs. Hejira [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: HOSL vs. Hejira [Merk54@aol.com] Re: HOSL vs. Hejira [Lieve Reckers ] Re: HOSL vs. Hejira [Em ] Re: HOSL vs. Hejira [Em ] Re: HOSL vs. Hejira [Catherine McKay ] Don't know what this means fully... but apparently [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:58:06 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Ray LaMontagne Song- For the Summer Yes, I thought that too, Anita. The opening riff. Then it goes into hints of Neil's, Heart of Gold. I also hear Joni's phrasing in the vocals. Lieve, you have a good ear. My other fave tracks from that album are, Rock and Roll and Radio and, Beg, Steal Or Borrow. I defy anyone to listen to, BSOB and not be reminded of The Gallery. Mark in chilly Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:01:46 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: George Michael - Edith and the Kingpin Hi Melissa, If Bob hasn't already responded, I can help you out with that one. I agree with you. GM's treatment of Edith is superb. Mark up the road in Croydon Park. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 02:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: George Michael - Edith and the Kingpin, and Audra covering Woodstock You beat me to it, Mark - I'm surprised it's not on I-Tunes though. It's available in the USA on I-tunes if I remember correctly. I actually got it early on...he sang it live on a radio show and there were SO many requests for the recording that he issued it as an extra track on a CD-single. You can pick up the CD fairly cheaply on ebay, they always have a copy or 2. I would send the recording along but alas my music collection (except for Joni & Tom Waits) is on the other side of the planet. As such I also can't send out any covers comps - I'll catch up when I get home (or try, not sure what's around the corner work-wise) but in the meantime here's a freebie: http://www.prefixmag.com/media/austra/woodstock-joni-mitchell-cover/52522/ Bob NP: The Republic Tigers, "Buildings & Mountains" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark-Leon Thorne To: migibbs@optusnet.com.au Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 4:01:46 PM Subject: Re: George Michael - Edith and the Kingpin Hi Melissa, If Bob hasn't already responded, I can help you out with that one. I agree with you. GM's treatment of Edith is superb. Mark up the road in Croydon Park. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:08:22 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: HOSL vs. Hejira Which do you think is "better": HOSL or Hejira? It's so hard to decide... both albums are so brilliant and adventurous both lyrically and musically, and Joni's singing voice is at it's peak, even on Hejira where her voice starts to get a little bit deeper... Hejira has so many brilliant lines that strike a chord of truth.... the title song and "Amelia" alone have almost as many quotable lines as the movie "all about eve"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:38:30 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira For the Roses :-) Jerry On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:08 PM, anon anon wrote: > Which do you think is "better": HOSL or Hejira? It's so hard to > decide... > both albums are so brilliant and adventurous both lyrically and musically, > and > Joni's singing voice is at it's peak, even on Hejira where her voice starts > to > get a little bit deeper... Hejira has so many brilliant lines that strike a > chord of truth.... the title song and "Amelia" alone have almost as many > quotable lines as the movie "all about eve"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira For me, it is HOSL. I think there is a certain class/elegance in that album. I think of it as a great, big package that you get where you have to unwrap it excitedly, pull the tape off, open up the box, take the tissue paper out and then you get to the item in it. It has that many layers for me. I think it comes from an interesting perspective that is Psychologically fascinating. Musically, there are a lot of different elements. Joni really experimented on this album and I applaud her for it. Also, I could not live without Sweet Bird or Harry's House. :) However, I would probably say that Hejira is among Joni's best, lyrically speaking. There'd be another album or two that I'd put in the running though as well. Both albums are fantastic-like apples and oranges. - -Mon From: anon anon To: joni@smoe.org; joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 4:08 PM Subject: HOSL vs. Hejira Which do you think is "better": HOSL or Hejira? It's so hard to decide... both albums are so brilliant and adventurous both lyrically and musically, and Joni's singing voice is at it's peak, even on Hejira where her voice starts to get a little bit deeper... Hejira has so many brilliant lines that strike a chord of truth.... the title song and "Amelia" alone have almost as many quotable lines as the movie "all about eve"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:42:48 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira Pretty tough call here. HOSL was the one Joni album I could not get into originally (except for Jungle Line). It took me a couple of years, and constant encouragement from a very close friend before the clouds parted and I saw the light of HOSL. On the other hand Hejira struck me instantly, and never let go. To me, HOSL is extremely feminine in it's point of view, and I think that was part of my struggle with it. All of the other Joni's had more of a universal appeal for me - I could relate to them on all levels. HOSL required me to go outside of myself before I could wrap me arms around it. Lyrically, I have to give it to Hejira. Pure poetry, that I related to on every level. Roger Ebert just reviewed the movie, "The Tree of Life". In his review he wrote: "I don't know when a film has connected more immediately with my own personal experience. In uncanny ways, the central events of "The Tree of Life" reflect a time and place I lived in, and the boys in it are me. If I set out to make an autobiographical film, and if I had Malick's gift, it would look so much like this." This is exactly how I feel about Hejira. HOSL on the other hand is like from some alternate universe to me. Beautiful, confusing, challenging, familiar but slight out of focus. So which one's better? Damned if I know. Maybe it would be their bastard off-spring - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira I don't think one has to be better than the other. They are both my top choice - and so is For The Roses, Jerry! (And I have two sons, luckily I don't have to choose which one I love the most.) Both albums are adventurous and have their own sound. Maybe HOSL is more varied, more experimental with its "world" music. But then, my goodness, that base line in Hejira... And maybe Hejira is more personal and poetic. But better? No, I couldn't choose. Too many claims on our preference, on exclusivity as it is. Let's not be forced when there's no need. Lieve - ----- Original Message ----- From: anon anon To: joni@smoe.org; joni-digest@smoe.org Cc: Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011, 21:08 Subject: HOSL vs. Hejira Which do you think is "better": HOSL or Hejira? It's so hard to decide... both albums are so brilliant and adventurous both lyrically and musically, and Joni's singing voice is at it's peak, even on Hejira where her voice starts to get a little bit deeper... Hejira has so many brilliant lines that strike a chord of truth.... the title song and "Amelia" alone have almost as many quotable lines as the movie "all about eve"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 14:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira since you asked, neither is my fave of hers - but forced to pick I definitely give Hejira the nod. The place/scenario HOSL takes you - not a place I want to be, or listen to songs about. OTOH, I'd gladly go along on Hejira's road trip. :) For me, Joni's albums each have places that color the album. I finally have come to love the varied and spicy DJRD places and spaces. Em - --- On Fri, 6/3/11, anon anon wrote: From: anon anon Subject: HOSL vs. Hejira To: joni@smoe.org, joni-digest@smoe.org Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 4:08 PM Which do you think is "better": HOSL or Hejira? It's so hard to decide... both albums are so brilliant and adventurous both lyrically and musically, and Joni's singing voice is at it's peak, even on Hejira where her voice starts to get a little bit deeper... Hejira has so many brilliant lines that strike a chord of truth.... the title song and "Amelia" alone have almost as many quotable lines as the movie "all about eve"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 14:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira since you asked, neither is my fave of hers - but forced to pick I definitely give Hejira the nod. The place/scenario HOSL takes you - not a place I want to be, or listen to songs about. OTOH, I'd gladly go along on Hejira's road trip. :) For me, Joni's albums each have places that color the album. I finally have come to love the varied and spicy DJRD places and spaces. Em - --- On Fri, 6/3/11, anon anon wrote: From: anon anon Subject: HOSL vs. Hejira To: joni@smoe.org, joni-digest@smoe.org Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 4:08 PM Which do you think is "better": HOSL or Hejira? It's so hard to decide... both albums are so brilliant and adventurous both lyrically and musically, and Joni's singing voice is at it's peak, even on Hejira where her voice starts to get a little bit deeper... Hejira has so many brilliant lines that strike a chord of truth.... the title song and "Amelia" alone have almost as many quotable lines as the movie "all about eve"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:16:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira What she said! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lieve Reckers > To: anon anon ; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:48:08 PM > Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira > > I don't think one has to be better than the other. They are both my top >choice - and so is For The Roses, Jerry! > (And I have two sons, luckily I don't have to choose which one I love the >most.) > > Both albums are adventurous and have their own sound. Maybe HOSL is more >varied, more experimental with its "world" music. But then, my goodness, that >base line in Hejira... And maybe Hejira is more personal and poetic. But >better? No, I couldn't choose. > > Too many claims on our preference, on exclusivity as it is. Let's not be >forced when there's no need. > Lieve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 23:05:03 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Don't know what this means fully... but apparently this was in my in box and there seems to be a tribute happening in San Diego (see below) Veronica Graciano sent a message to the members of Simon, Mitchell, & Joel (Not a Law Firm) at Dizzy's. Veronica Graciano10:20pm Jun 3rd Subject: Friendly reminder and FAQ's for this Sunday's tribute concert to Simon, Mitchell & Joel... ~THIS SUNDAY~ Sunday, June 5, 7:00pm Simon, Mitchell, & Joel (Not a Law Firm) Here are a few FAQ's and please feel free to let me or any of the musicians answer any other questions you may have regarding the November 7th show at Dizzy's. ~ WHERE'S DIZZY'S? Dizzy's events are held at the San Diego Wine & Culinary Center, located on the ground floor of the Harbor Club Towers @ 2nd Avenue & J Street. ~ Is this a listening room event or a noisy bar scene event? Dizzy's is a listening room and provides the ultimate presentation of live performance in an intimate, casual setting - where both the performers and the audience are treated with respect. ~ CAN I MAKE RESERVATIONS IN ADVANCE? Yes. Tickets are available at http://www.facebook.com/l/8dbddXcfVnBJSaGGdNI7D-ntrAg/www.NotALawFirm.com. Tickets are also available at the door (cash only) on the evening of each event. They go on sale approximately one hour before show time. At that time you may purchase your tickets, & choose your seats. ~ DOWNTOWN IS CONFUSING . . . HOW CAN I FIND DIZZY'S? The San Diego Wine & Culinary Center is located on the ground floor of the Harbor Club Towers. It's entrance is actually on the back side of the buildings - on the Martin Luther King Jr. Promenade which faces the Convention Center - & can be accessed from either side of the Harbor Club Towers at 2nd Avenue & J Street or 3rd Avenue & K Street. All the numbered avenues run parallel to each other, so 2nd Avenue is 3 blocks West of 5th Avenue, which is the main thoroughfare for the Gaslamp District's restaurants & clubs. The letter streets run perpendicular to the numbered avenues. The Harbor Club Towers are situated between J & K Streets & 2nd & 3rd Avenues. ~ WHAT DOWNTOWN EXIT DO I TAKE? If you're coming from the North & driving south on Interstate 5, take the 1st downtown exit marked "Front St/2nd Ave." Stay in the right lane taking you onto Front Street. Follow Front Street all the way thru town until the first street past Market, which is Island. Turn left onto Island, go 2 blocks to 2nd Avenue - turn right onto 2nd, & go one block to J. You are there! (5 Star parking on your right) If you're coming down 163, it will end right onto Tenth Avenue. Follow Tenth Avenue until you get to J Street (2 blocks past Market). Take a right onto J Street & take it West 8 blocks until it dead-ends near 2nd Avenue. You are there! (5 Star parking on your right) ~ WHERE CAN I PARK? On Sundays, street parking is FREE. You can even park in yellow commercial zones. Red curbs however are not acceptable. There is a large 5 Star parking lot right across the street from the Harbor Club Towers. The entrance is at the corner of 2nd Ave. & J Street (It charges a $5 flat rate after 5PM on Sun thru Thurs, $10 flat rate on Fri/Sat). You may also opt for the 6th & K Parkade, a 4 story structure with 1000 spaces. It is open 24/7 The flat evening rate is $3 on Sunday Lastly, the San Diego Convention Center, located directly across Harbor Drive (less than 200 yards away) at 114 W Harbor Drive, has a large covered parking lot. All day parking is $8. No overnight parking is allowed. ~ CAN I TAKE THE TROLLEY TO DIZZY'S? Of course you can. The trolley stops directly in front of the San Diego Wine & Culinary Center. Take the Orange Line & exit at the Convention Center stop. What a Dizzy's-like environmentally sound thing to do! ~ DO YOU HAVE TO BE 21? No, any one of any age is always welcome at Dizzy's. ~I GET HUNGRY & THIRSTY, WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS? You are welcome to bring your own snacks, coffee, water, or soft drinks in with you. The S.D. Wine & Culinary Center no longer serves food but you will still be able to purchase wine/full bar drinks during this event.There are also many fine restaurants & bars close by in the surrounding Gaslamp area. For a quick snack, ice cream or hotdog visit Crunch Time Popcorn, walking distance from Dizzy's and open until 11pm on June 5th. Many guests purchase & mark their seats early, then go for dinner/appetizers/drinks before the show starts. Be adventuresome, discover downtown. ~ WHAT IS THE DRESS CODE AT DIZZY'S? Casual & comfortable. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:45:23 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: HOSL vs. Hejira I guess the obvious answer is 'neither', since both are brilliant in their own way. That being said, Hejira is more wordy, and reads more like a journal-which, in a way, it is, while HOSL is more musical, and a more conscious exercise in (detached) observational songwriting. Hejira's songs are long, with lots of verses, sometimes maybe feeling like words are packed in to the max. Still, there are some purely beautiful moments, musically; the title track, Refuge. The music of Coyote, on the other hand, merely supports the lyrics in the most perfunctory way. The accompaniment is minimalist. Much of HOSL could stand alone musically, without the lyrics, and still rate as breathtaking composition. Not to say that the lyrics are not fantastic, too! Hejira is drier, like a cool breeze across the frozen river, HOSL is wetter, like a luxurious dip in a backyard swimmimg pool. Which is better, a toucan, or an eagle? They are both beautiful. RR From: "anon anon" > Which do you think is "better": HOSL or Hejira? It's so hard to > decide... > both albums are so brilliant and adventurous both lyrically and musically, > and > Joni's singing voice is at it's peak, even on Hejira where her voice > starts to > get a little bit deeper... Hejira has so many brilliant lines that strike > a > chord of truth.... the title song and "Amelia" alone have almost as many > quotable lines as the movie "all about eve"... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #155 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe