From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 18 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 138 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: An oral history now coming? [T Peckham ] Re: delusional diseases and drugs [Moni Kellermann ] Re: delusional diseases and drugs [Anita G ] [none] [Kelly Loughran ] Hejira [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Hejira 35th Anniversary [c Karma ] Re: Hejira [Mags ] just like this train [Mags ] Re: Hejira [Catherine McKay ] Ramblings about Joni [Michael Sentance ] Hejira 35th Anniversary, release date [c Karma ] Re: Hejira 35th Anniversary [Moni Kellermann ] Re: just like this train [Kate Johnson ] RE: delusional diseases and drugs ["Robert Sartorius" ] Re: delusional diseases and drugs [Corey Blake ] RE: delusional diseases and drugs ["Robert Sartorius" ] Re: just like this train [Lc Stanley ] Just Like This Train ["gene" ] Re: Re: Happy 35th - Hejira [Anne Sandstrom ] joni (& other) paintings ["ron g" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 02:33:36 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: An oral history now coming? Welcome to the list, Michael. I'm a few days late, but just wanted to say thanks much for voicing your idea (and for calling Charlie Rose a dullard--one of my favorite words)--and for tracking this down. Let's hope it's going forward now and will indeed be shown on PBS this fall. Sir George Martin's involvement practically ensures a class production (and Kevin Spacey's no slouch either). Terra > > So I tracked backwards to the Wildheart web > page- the production company > for the series - and they announced that the series > will run in the fall of 2011. > > Perhaps someone has figured out that this endeavor would be worthwhile - > and > undertaken it. > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:49:37 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: delusional diseases and drugs source: http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/archdermatol.2011.114 Delusional Infestation, Including Delusions of Parasitosis Results of Histologic Examination of Skin Biopsy and Patient-Provided Skin Specimens Sara A. Hylwa, BS; Jessica E. Bury, MD; Mark D. P. Davis, MD; Mark Pittelkow, MD; J. Michael Bostwick, MD Arch Dermatol. Published online May 16, 2011. doi:10.1001/archdermatol.2011.114 Objective: To review the results of skin biopsies and patient-provided specimens from patients whose assessment was consistent with delusional infestation, including delusions of parasitosis. Design: Retrospective medical record review. Setting: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota. Patients: The study population comprised all patients who were seen at Mayo Clinic and had a diagnosis of delusional skin infestation, including delusions of parasitosis, between 2001 and 2007, and who underwent biopsies as part of their dermatologic evaluations or brought samples to their clinical consultations. Main Outcome Measures: The results of examination of these biopsy and patient-provided specimens. Results: A total of 108 patients met inclusion criteria for this study: 80 received biopsies, 80 had self-procured skin specimens, and 52 patients received biopsies and provided specimens. No biopsy specimen (0 of 80) provided evidence to support skin infestation. The most common interpretations in the 80 biopsy specimens were dermatitis in 49 of 80 (61%); excoriation, ulceration, or erosion in 38 (48%); and nonspecific dermal inflammation in 25 (31%). Patient-provided specimens were most frequently assessed by the physician (generally a dermatologist) evaluating the patient, although 20 of the 80 samples (25%) were submitted for pathologic evaluation. Of these 80 specimens, 10 (13%) contained insects. All but 1 of the insects were noninfesting varieties; 1 (1%) was a pubic louse. The remaining findings consisted of cutaneous debris, environmental detritus, or plant material. Conclusion: In patients with suspected delusional infestation, neither skin biopsies nor examination of patient-provided specimens provided objective evidence of skin infestation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:12:59 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: delusional diseases and drugs If only they would write '.....patient-provided specimens provided objective evidence THAT WE CURRENTLY UNDERSTAND of skin infestation.' What a difference that would make Anitax > > Conclusion: > In patients with suspected delusional infestation, neither skin biopsies nor > examination of patient-provided specimens provided objective evidence of > skin infestation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:47:16 +0000 From: Kelly Loughran Subject: [none] http://o2y0z5.yfymh.ru/?cid=des ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:52:22 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Hejira Hejira was just rolling on in my head and on my discman yesterday, and I reflected a bit about the album, and thought I would share my take, since this is a current discussion on the list. *Amelia, oh it was just a alarm *Hejira and * Refugee of the Roads are three of the strongest songs in Jonis whole catalog imho. But she tops it. Song for Sharon, this has been a grow to love song for me. I didn't love it at first, but as the years past, I like it more and more. "To buy myself a mandolin..." And the great line: "I'm headed to the church to play bingo," in dark contrast to "in the church they light the candles, and the wax rolls down like tears" from Hejira. Now it's Bingo time! And "a woman I knew, just drowned herself The well was deep and muddy." Joni shows the thin line between love and hate, between life and death, between conflict and forgiveness, in just a few lines. Very well done! Black Crow is a haunting song. I love it. To pick up something shiny. I also love Diana Kralls version of this. And then there is Old Furry sings the blues. "I don't like you, everybody laughs, as if it's the Old man's standard joke, but it's true we're only welcome for our drink and smoke..." Joni has always been sharp-sighted, no matter she may not be right in all matters. She sees Old Furry, like maybe no one else in here company does.... He didn't like them, I'm sure... But no regrets Coyote!! And a hug to Anita, i tried to help you with this one on the joni fest in England some years ago, sorry my singing skills weren't well eneough. ( - : This album would be great with only the three first songs on it, but as I said she tops it. It is so brilliantly done. She must have been around my age, 32, when she did it. And I can not understand how that could be possible. But then Joni is a genius, and we don't understand them. Hejira is timeless. Its qualities will be celebrated many years from now, believe me. Love Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:44:19 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Hejira 35th Anniversary I think we'll be celebrating this again later this year. My recollection was that it was released in October or November of 1976. I'm sure there's a record of it (no pun intended) somewhere. CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Hejira among many other wonderful things he had to say about Hejira, Oddmund wrote: > It is so brilliantly done. > > She must have been around my age, 32, when she did it. > And I can not understand how that could be possible. > > now moi: Dear Oddmund, so much of your post rings true for me as well. I have grown to love Hejira so much more, with every listen. I too am blown away that Joni was only 32 when she wrote it. Every line, every nuance, makes me want to hit the replay and listen all over again. With each life experience, it seems to add more layers of understanding when I visit Hejira again. Having just returned from an 18 day Hejira, I am glad to be here. I am still a bit weary from the road however, I did think of my Joni friends often, and did have the great and wonderful pleasure of sharing a meal in downtown Big Smoke with Catherine, Rachel and Stephen. Did we talk about Joni? Not so much. And yet, we did talk about how long we have known one another and marveled at our journey to here, individually, and together. Oh how I wish we had had more time together, but that little nugget of time renewed my faith in the power of our connectedness. I fell in love with Toronto all over again and look forward to next time, which isn't so far away :))) love, Mags ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: just like this train Drove down to Toronto last month, stayed a good long while, took the train back. Highly recommended mode of travel. Anyway...here goes a little snippet from the trip . Sunday evening in the dining car. Shared a table with three strangers...that's how it goes. You get thrown together by the simple fact that you were all standing, waiting for your table at the same time. Anyway...the Joni content..a small but sweet story. The man beside me tells us all that he lives in LA. My eyes light up and I say...oh Joni Mitchell lives there. (me hoping for a great big confirmation and perhaps a story or two). Man says: who? who is that? Oh I suppose she is an entertainer of sorts is she? Me: well, I burst into a fit of giggles and said oh yes, you could say that. Sure. Woman across from me: Oh ... dont let Joni hear you call her that! She's much much more than that! Me: smiled again. Said oh I realise that..wink wink Woman across says to man beside: Oh Joni Mitchell..she was a folk singer in the 60s. I say (with sparkly glint in my eye) OH don't let Joni hear you say that( smiling broadly as I'm saying this) ...she's...and I try to go into my little description of all the things she is and has been and will be to me...and then they all glaze over collectively so I shut up. It is obvious that I'm speaking a different language in more ways than one. with all of us who get her, I realised in that moment that there is no need to explain . Joni just *is*. love, Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hejira Just as Mags is falling in love with Toronto again, I'm feeling the love/hate relationship with it. Love that there's a lot to do, but hate that it's so busy and so expensive. That aside, I'm about to embark on a road trip myself later this week, with one of my sisters, to visit another who is now living in New Brunswick. Will bring the Hejira CD with me (or maybe my sister has one of those thingies in the car that you can plug an Ipod into.) Hey, Oddmund! Happy Norwegian Independence Day! My yahoo calendar reminded me of this yesterday. As well, it would have been Bob Murphy's birthday today, so I'm remembering him fondly and with lots of laughs. Love to all, from she who is forever older than Mr Smurphy. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mags > To: joni@smoe.org; Oddmund Kaarevik > Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 10:45:51 AM > Subject: Re: Hejira > > among many other wonderful things he had to say about Hejira, Oddmund wrote: > > It is so brilliantly done. > > > > She must have been around my age, 32, when she did it. > > And I can not understand how that could be possible. > > > > > now moi: > > Dear Oddmund, so much of your post rings true for me as well. I have grown to >love Hejira so much more, with every listen. I too am blown away that Joni was >only 32 when she wrote it. Every line, every nuance, makes me want to hit the >replay and listen all over again. With each life experience, it seems to add >more layers of understanding when I visit Hejira again. > > Having just returned from an 18 day Hejira, I am glad to be here. > > I am still a bit weary from the road however, I did think of my Joni friends >often, and did have the great and wonderful pleasure of sharing a meal in >downtown Big Smoke with Catherine, Rachel and Stephen. Did we talk about Joni? >Not so much. And yet, we did talk about how long we have known one another and >marveled at our journey to here, individually, and together. > > Oh how I wish we had had more time together, but that little nugget of time >renewed my faith in the power of our connectedness. > > > I fell in love with Toronto all over again and look forward to next time, which >isn't so far away :))) > > love, Mags ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:08:14 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Ramblings about Joni I've enjoyed reading about the memories attached to the 35th anniversary of the release of *Hejira*. Of course, Hejira was a November release - and we are much closer to the 40th anniversary of the release of *Blue *in June 1971. But both albums - as well as many of the Joni compositions - share some key elements: their universality as well as the depth of the emotion that resonates. I was reading a 2006 article from the Los Angeles Times about Meghan Daum's dinner with Joni. Ms. Daum expressed something that I have long felt but couldn't articulate: *When it comes to this legendary musician, I'm the kind of fan who bristles > at the word "fan." Her music is less an accompaniment to my life than a sort > of aesthetic nerve center. > * As I read the comments about *Hejira *and chat online with other Joni-philes, I find this to be a frequent point:* She wrote what I felt. She echoed my thoughts. She helped me understand something better*. I reminded of Kris Kristofferson's comment that Joni Mitchell channeled Shakespeare. She does have a certain timelessness in impact even 35 or 40 years later. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 15:08:27 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Hejira 35th Anniversary, release date http://www.polarimagazine.com/?p=624 I found this rather good article on the album, listing the release date as November 23, 1976. I didn't remember it being so close to Thanksgiving. I had thought it was earlier in the month around her birthday (perhaps I heard an AOR format FM station preview). The author's remarks on songwriting are particularly insightful and the discussion of Hejira's position within the canon with regard to Joni's development is very accurate to my mind, although I would disagree that Blue is more accessible than Court and Spark to a large audience. It was honesty and emotional universality that provided Blue its staying power and kept audience returning for new formats. CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 17:15:44 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Hejira 35th Anniversary Am 17.05.2011 16:44, Wie c Karma so vortrefflich formulierte: > I think we'll be celebrating this again later this year. My recollection was > that it was released in October or November of 1976. I'm sure there's a > record of it (no pun intended) somewhere. Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.com list it as "original album release date: 26 October, 1976". moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:09:12 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: just like this train On 17-May-11, at 8:57 AM, Mags wrote: > with all of us who get her, I realised in that moment that there is > no need to explain . Joni just *is*. > > love, Mags. You can say that again, Mags. I have long given up expecting that everyone will be as moved by her music as I have been, or recognize her brilliance, or give her the acknowledgment she is due. We either "get it," or we don't. Those of us who do are so very fortunate. Kate b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:46:40 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: delusional diseases and drugs I would ask that future emails on this thread feature the NJC thread. Today's digest had 22 entries - 19 of which were onthe captioned topic, and none of which had any substantive Joni content, based on my very cursory review. Yes, we know that Joni is suffering from this syndrome. But....... I posted this without the NJC tag because.......Catch 22. Thanks Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:50:20 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: delusional diseases and drugs It's early so my brain may not be working yet. I'm not quite sure what this study proves. Of the people that were delusional, the people were indeed delusional? Seems kind of redundant. On May 17, 2011, at 1:49 AM, Moni Kellermann wrote: > source: http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/archdermatol.2011.114 > > Delusional Infestation, Including Delusions of Parasitosis > > Results of Histologic Examination of Skin Biopsy and Patient-Provided Skin Specimens > > Sara A. Hylwa, BS; Jessica E. Bury, MD; Mark D. P. Davis, MD; Mark Pittelkow, MD; J. Michael Bostwick, MD > > Arch Dermatol. Published online May 16, 2011. doi:10.1001/archdermatol.2011.114 > > Objective: > To review the results of skin biopsies and patient-provided specimens from patients whose assessment was consistent with delusional infestation, including delusions of parasitosis. > > Design: > Retrospective medical record review. > > Setting: > Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota. > > Patients: > The study population comprised all patients who were seen at Mayo Clinic and had a diagnosis of delusional skin infestation, including delusions of parasitosis, between 2001 and 2007, and who underwent biopsies as part of their dermatologic evaluations or brought samples to their clinical consultations. > > Main Outcome Measures: > The results of examination of these biopsy and patient-provided specimens. > > Results: > A total of 108 patients met inclusion criteria for this study: 80 received biopsies, 80 had self-procured skin specimens, and 52 patients received biopsies and provided specimens. No biopsy specimen (0 of 80) provided evidence to support skin infestation. The most common interpretations in the 80 biopsy specimens were dermatitis in 49 of 80 (61%); excoriation, ulceration, or erosion in 38 (48%); and nonspecific dermal inflammation in 25 (31%). > > Patient-provided specimens were most frequently assessed by the physician (generally a dermatologist) evaluating the patient, although 20 of the 80 samples (25%) were submitted for pathologic evaluation. Of these 80 specimens, 10 (13%) contained insects. All but 1 of the insects were noninfesting varieties; 1 (1%) was a pubic louse. The remaining findings consisted of cutaneous debris, environmental detritus, or plant material. > > Conclusion: > In patients with suspected delusional infestation, neither skin biopsies nor examination of patient-provided specimens provided objective evidence of skin infestation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:46:40 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: delusional diseases and drugs I would ask that future emails on this thread feature the NJC thread. Today's digest had 22 entries - 19 of which were onthe captioned topic, and none of which had any substantive Joni content, based on my very cursory review. Yes, we know that Joni is suffering from this syndrome. But....... I posted this without the NJC tag because.......Catch 22. Thanks Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:50:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: just like this train Great story Mags! I felt like I was right there with you. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Mags To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 9:57:29 AM Subject: just like this train Drove down to Toronto last month, stayed a good long while, took the train back. Highly recommended mode of travel. Anyway...here goes a little snippet from the trip . Sunday evening in the dining car. Shared a table with three strangers...that's how it goes. You get thrown together by the simple fact that you were all standing, waiting for your table at the same time. Anyway...the Joni content..a small but sweet story. The man beside me tells us all that he lives in LA. My eyes light up and I say...oh Joni Mitchell lives there. (me hoping for a great big confirmation and perhaps a story or two). Man says: who? who is that? Oh I suppose she is an entertainer of sorts is she? Me: well, I burst into a fit of giggles and said oh yes, you could say that. Sure. Woman across from me: Oh ... dont let Joni hear you call her that! She's much much more than that! Me: smiled again. Said oh I realise that..wink wink Woman across says to man beside: Oh Joni Mitchell..she was a folk singer in the 60s. I say (with sparkly glint in my eye) OH don't let Joni hear you say that( smiling broadly as I'm saying this) ...she's...and I try to go into my little description of all the things she is and has been and will be to me...and then they all glaze over collectively so I shut up. It is obvious that I'm speaking a different language in more ways than one. with all of us who get her, I realised in that moment that there is no need to explain . Joni just *is*. love, Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:00:47 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Just Like This Train Thanks Mags, Nice story. Some of my best conversations have been with strangers thrown together by random chance. Just like this list:) peace~~gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 01:42:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Re: Happy 35th - Hejira First of all - love seeing Ellen McIlwaine in your NP tagline, Bob. So, the thing I remember most about when Hejira came out was that I couldn't go get it until a day later. But I heard a cut on the radio (alternative/progressive FM radio). The DJ described the cover and said there was a skater. He didn't say male or female. And I just KNEW it was Toller Cranston. (Yes, I've posted this before, I know.) I didn't understand at the time how incredibly mature Joni's music was (and is), especially compared to everything else. It was Joni. She sounded so worldly, so wise. I wanted to be like that. And the astonishing musicality was almost a given for me. Of course Joni was going to rewrite all the rules. Of course the lyrics were going to be extraordinary. Her music certainly not only stands the test of time, but ages like fine wine. At the cat shelter where I volunteer, there's a cat named Amelia. I sing Joni's "Amelia" to her, of course. She seems to like it. and, while I'm here, I'm wishing Smurph a happy birthday - oh do I miss him! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 06:00:23 +0200 From: "ron g" Subject: joni (& other) paintings not sure if this qualifies as joni content or not..... just thought i'd share this: i've been wanting for some time now to get some pictures / paintings of joni & other artists to hang on my wall. then recently i came across this website of a local artist here, who does paintings from photos, & of course i just had to get a couple. i have ordered paintings of joni, jimi, emmylou & joan baez. so far she has completed the joni & jimi paintings which can be seen here: http://www.mariannebritsart.com/portfolio.html my paintings are at the bottom of the page. she has modified the jimi painting slightly, at my request, by changing the top right corner a bit. all paintings are 60 cm x 80 cm. total cost for 4 custom paintings came to 2,300 rands - (330 dollars) which i thougtht was quite a bargain. she has promised me the emmylou & joan baez paintings by around middle of next week - i'm looking forward to seeing them. ron ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #138 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe