From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #131 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 12 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 131 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Purple Joni [] Re: Purple Joni [Bob Muller ] purple, tiny jc [Marianne Rizzo ] Joni mention in Acoustic Guitar magazine article on Mandolin Brothers [Ca] Re: purple, tiny jc ["Randy Remote" ] It's that time again. [Dave Blackburn ] The Laurel Canyon sound [Gerald Notaro ] delusional diseases & drugs [Paul Ivice ] delusional diseases & drugs [Paul Ivice ] RE: delusional diseases & drugs [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: delusional diseases & drugs [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: delusional diseases & drugs [Paul Ivice ] Re: delusional diseases & drugs [Corey Blake ] Re: delusional diseases & drugs [Paul Ivice ] Re: Purple Joni [] Re: delusional diseases & drugs [Paul Ivice ] Re: delusional diseases & drugs [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: delusional diseases & drugs [Paul Ivice ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 00:53:52 -0700 From: Subject: Purple Joni Found one! ;-) Lilac is also described as light purple. "I get these notes on butterflies and lilac sprays..." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 02:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Purple Joni Man, you're good. Of course you SHOULD know that album like the back of your hand, right? Bob - ----- Original Message ---- From: "kbhla@fastmail.fm" To: joni@smoe.org; Marianne Rizzo Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:53:52 PM Subject: Purple Joni Found one! ;-) Lilac is also described as light purple. "I get these notes on butterflies and lilac sprays..." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:51:18 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: purple, tiny jc > Purple's Parties Yeah Randy, THAT one. heh heh > From: guitarzan@hughes.net > Purple mountain's majesty > Deep Purple (the old song, not the 60's band) > Purple's Parties ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 05:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni mention in Acoustic Guitar magazine article on Mandolin Brothers I just got around to noticing an article by Adam Perlmutter in the May "Acoustic Guitar" magazine about the Mandolin Brothers music shop. There is a Joni mention in the first paragraph, copied below. The full article can be found at this link: http://www.acousticguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=26804 "Nestled in the quiet New York City borough of Staten Island is a famed institution, equal parts guitar store and museum, that is packed with a stunning assortment of musical treasuresbfrom vintage mandolins to modern boutique flattops. Though Mandolin Brothers is actually only 20 miles from midtown Manhattan, it is not easy to get there; factoring in traffic or public-transit obstacles, the trip can take a couple hours. But musicians anonymous and celebrated have trekked to this mecca of fretted instruments and found the destination to be uncommonly rewarding. Joni Mitchell even referenced the store in bSong for Sharon.b bAnyone whobs taken the steps necessary to get here is welcomed as a fully vetted customer and can play every instrument in the place and ask up to a million questions,b Mandolin Brothers president Stan Jay says." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:47:36 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: purple, tiny jc Purple mountain's majesty Deep Purple (the old song, not the 60's band) Purple's Parties ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 07:25:42 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: It's that time again. Dear Joniphiles, This needs to reach you all , hence there is no njc tag. It's that time again, and the bill is due in a few weeks for the hosting of JoniMItchell.com. Les, keeper of all Joni-content, is too polite to bother us with solicitations for money, but the annual $1000 must be found nonetheless and he is only at 10% of the goal so far. So I'll make it brief. Donations of any amount are welcome. There are about 1000 of us I believe but if even 5% of us sent him $20US he'd make his goal. So rather than wait till the bill is due and payable, and beads of sweat are forming on Les' brow, may I invite everyone to click here today and smooth over those worry lines for him:http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm You don't need a Paypal account to do this and you can even mail a check via pony express; "I don't care how it gets here, just get (it) here if you can" Now here's further incentive - As we did last year I am collecting Joni covers from among our members to be assembled into a downloadable album as a thank-you to all those who make him a contribution. Only those who make a contribution will receive the link to get it. This year, I have solicited some Joni covers from some great artists on the periphery of the JMDL to support the cause and the tracks I have received so far are stellar. Martin Giles has one in the works, and you will hear tracks from Henning and Christina, Dave King, Jacob Moon, Kevin Danzig, and of course Robin Adler. To submit a Joni cover for inclusion please contact me for specifics so this email does not get too long or technical. Dave Dave Blackburn Audio Production Services http://www.daveblackburn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:11:45 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: The Laurel Canyon sound Wow. Went to see Brett Dennen last night and the opening band Dawes was sensational. I knew nothing much about them except that Robbie Robertson liked them. Talk about Joni Mitchell/CSN/Doors/Frank Zappa/Neil Young retro. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: delusional diseases & drugs Sue wrote: How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the delusional diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? If doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do anti-depressants or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions that come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with a drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community thought people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to delusions early on. As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from the delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me among those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they have it. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: delusional diseases & drugs Sue wrote: How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the delusional diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? If doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do anti-depressants or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions that come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with a drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community thought people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to delusions early on. As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from the delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me among those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they have it. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:22:54 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: delusional diseases & drugs Good info, Scully ... I mean, Paul!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ivice Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: delusional diseases & drugs Sue wrote: How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the delusional diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? If doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do anti-depressants or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions that come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with a drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community thought people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to delusions early on. As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from the delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me among those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they have it. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:09:38 -0400 From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional when current technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially conditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal cord process pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they react more strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to pain. It is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for me.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have been studies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central nervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. To conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence is just a huge leap. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Sue wrote: > How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the > delusional > diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? > If > doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have > enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do > anti-depressants > or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions > that > come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about > Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with > a > drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and > Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! > > > There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community > thought > people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to > delusions early on. > As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking > for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from > Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. > Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from > the > delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me > among > those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they > have > it. > > Paul Ivice ;>) > - -- Jenny Goodspeed 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies http://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming updetails at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html 4/29  Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli 5/14  Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA 5/23  The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA 6/4  Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT 6/25  The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia 7/16  The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on November 27th ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:22:50 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: delusional diseases & drugs Jenny, I have several friends with fibromyalgia and I'm happy that they are finally getting the help they need with this debilitating problem. It seems like more and more people I know are suffering from chronic migraines and I wonder what that is all about? I also strongly agree that doctors should just say they don't know and keep up the research. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM To: Paul Ivice Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional when current technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially conditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal cord process pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they react more strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to pain. It is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for me.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have been studies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central nervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. To conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence is just a huge leap. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Sue wrote: > How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the > delusional > diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? > If > doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have > enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do > anti-depressants > or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions > that > come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about > Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with > a > drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and > Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! > > > There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community > thought > people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to > delusions early on. > As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking > for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from > Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. > Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from > the > delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me > among > those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they > have > it. > > Paul Ivice ;>) > - -- Jenny Goodspeed 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies http://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming updetails at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html 4/29  Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli 5/14  Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA 5/23  The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA 6/4  Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT 6/25  The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia 7/16  The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on November 27th ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:36:16 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: An oral history now coming? I ranted the other day about the need for a comprehensive oral history of Joni and the other musicians who so ably articulated our feelings, our hopes, visions and heartaches. I may have found one such attempt as I was looking at the Timeline on JoniMitchell.com. There was mention made of an interview with Joni for *On Record: The Soundtrack of Our Lives*. I followed up with some searches that raised hopes and questions. I found a PBS press release that said that PBS had green-lit an 8 hour series on PBS - and it would also be available as a 12 hour DVD set. The series would be narrated by Kevin Spacey and hosted by Sir George Martin. Joni was one of the musicians interviewed. According to the release, this series would air in the fall of 2010. As I was mostly conscious in the period, I don't recall seeing anything about the series. So I tracked backwards to the Wildheart web page- the production company for the series - and they announced that the series will run in the fall of 2011. Perhaps someone has figured out that this endeavor would be worthwhile - and undertaken it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:57:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs And while I am not casting aspersions on any particular individual, there are certain maladies that seem to be havens for hypochondriacs. Unfortunately, that makes it harder for those who do really suffer from a particular illness. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Jenny Goodspeed ; Paul Ivice Cc: joni Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:24 pm Subject: RE: delusional diseases & drugs Jenny, I have several friends with fibromyalgia and I'm happy that they are inally getting the help they need with this debilitating problem. It seems ike more and more people I know are suffering from chronic migraines and I onder what that is all about? I also strongly agree that doctors should just ay they don't know and keep up the research. - -----Original Message----- rom: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny oodspeed ent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM o: Paul Ivice c: joni@smoe.org ubject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional when urrent technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially onditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal cord rocess pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they react ore strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to pain. t is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for e.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have been tudies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central ervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. o conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence is ust a huge leap. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Sue wrote: How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the delusional diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? If doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do anti-depressants or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions that come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with a drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community thought people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to delusions early on. As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from the delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me among those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they have it. Paul Ivice ;>) - -- enny Goodspeed /3 of The Boxcar Lilies ttp://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming updetails at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html /29 Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli /14 Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA /23 The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA /4 Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT /25 The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue /26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia /16 The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA ave the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on ovember 27th ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:51:06 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs 8 or 9 years ago, my wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. But it took her several doctors before someone actually listened to them. They all said it would go away or that it was nothing, she was actually fine or that it was probably in her head from stress. Well it was in her head. Two lesions. Last summer she was diagnosed with lupus as well, which means she has to avoid sunlight like the plague. I understand that hypochondria does exist, but I think assuming that before anything else is lazy, insulting and not even very logical. "Self-fulfilling prophecy"? That's the same logic that claims people want to be gay because they get such wonderful treatment and attention, but it's really just made-up. Please. Sorry, but I'm a little sensitive about this topic right now, as we're fighting for social security to admit that two full-blown autoimmune diseases are significant enough to count as disability. - -Corey On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Jenny, I have several friends with fibromyalgia and I'm happy that they are > finally getting the help they need with this debilitating problem. It seems > like more and more people I know are suffering from chronic migraines and I > wonder what that is all about? I also strongly agree that doctors should > just say they don't know and keep up the research. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny > Goodspeed > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM > To: Paul Ivice > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs > > There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional when > current technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially > conditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... > > I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal cord > process pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they > react > more strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to pain. > It is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for > me.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. > > The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have > been > studies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central > nervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. > > With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. > To conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence is > just a huge leap. > > Jenny > > > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > > > Sue wrote: > > How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the > > delusional > > diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" > environment? > > If > > doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have > > enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do > > anti-depressants > > or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions > > that > > come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about > > Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up > with > > a > > drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and > > Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! > > > > > > There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community > > thought > > people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to > > delusions early on. > > As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug > looking > > for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer > from > > Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. > > Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from > > the > > delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me > > among > > those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they > > have > > it. > > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > > > > > -- > Jenny Goodspeed > 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies > http://www.boxcarlilies.com > > Coming up details at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html > 4/29 Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli > 5/14 Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA > 5/23 The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA > 6/4 Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT > 6/25 The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue > 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia > 7/16 The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA > Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on > November 27th > - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - http://www.magicmeathands.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:57:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs I'm sorry that your wife is ill, but you're actually supporting my point, which is that the hypochondriacs make it harder for people like your wife who are legitimately sick to get accurate diagnoses and compassionate treatment. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Corey Blake To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Jenny Goodspeed ; Paul Ivice ; joni Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:51 pm Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs 8 or 9 years ago, my wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. But it took her several doctors before someone actually listened to them. They all said it would go away or that it was nothing, she was actually fine or that it was probably in her head from stress. Well it was in her head. Two lesions. Last summer she was diagnosed with lupus as well, which means she has to avoid sunlight like the plague. I understand that hypochondria does exist, but I think assuming that before anything else is lazy, insulting and not even very logical. "Self-fulfilling prophecy"? That's the same logic that claims people want to be gay because they get such wonderful treatment and attention, but it's really just made-up. Please. Sorry, but I'm a little sensitive about this topic right now, as we're fighting for social security to admit that two full-blown autoimmune diseases are significant enough to count as disability. - -Corey On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: Jenny, I have several friends with fibromyalgia and I'm happy that they are finally getting the help they need with this debilitating problem. It seems like more and more people I know are suffering from chronic migraines and I wonder what that is all about? I also strongly agree that doctors should just say they don't know and keep up the research. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM To: Paul Ivice Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional when current technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially conditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal cord process pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they react more strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to pain. It is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for me.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have been studies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central nervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. To conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence is just a huge leap. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Sue wrote: > How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the > delusional > diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? > If > doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have > enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do > anti-depressants > or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions > that > come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about > Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with > a > drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and > Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! > > > There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community > thought > people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to > delusions early on. > As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking > for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from > Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. > Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from > the > delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me > among > those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they > have > it. > > Paul Ivice ;>) > - -- Jenny Goodspeed 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies http://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming up details at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html 4/29 Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli 5/14 Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA 5/23 The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA 6/4 Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT 6/25 The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia 7/16 The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on November 27th - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - http://www.magicmeathands.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:12:34 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Purple Joni I do, it's true ;-) Hope you are enjoying your adventure, Bob! Kakki - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: ; ; "Marianne Rizzo" Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:55 AM Subject: Re: Purple Joni > Man, you're good. Of course you SHOULD know that album like the back of > your > hand, right? > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "kbhla@fastmail.fm" > To: joni@smoe.org; Marianne Rizzo > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:53:52 PM > Subject: Purple Joni > > Found one! ;-) Lilac is also described as light purple. > > "I get these notes on butterflies and lilac sprays..." > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:20:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs Truthfully, as a journalist for more than30 years, I am skeptical of anyone who quotes the results of "one study," because it is usually the study whose results are most favorable to that person's position or opinion. When the preponderance of studies supports your position, let me know. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Corey Blake To: Paul Ivice Cc: sem8 ; jrgoodspeed ; joni Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 4:03 pm Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs And my point is that I think people use hypochondria as a "go to" so they don't have to deal with the unsolvable. One study says people with actual hypochondria make up about 3% of patients, and yet you'd think it was hovering around 50%. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: I'm sorry that your wife is ill, but you're actually supporting my point, which is that the hypochondriacs make it harder for people like your wife who are legitimately sick to get accurate diagnoses and compassionate treatment. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Corey Blake To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Jenny Goodspeed ; Paul Ivice ; joni Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:51 pm Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs 8 or 9 years ago, my wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. But it took her several doctors before someone actually listened to them. They all said it would go away or that it was nothing, she was actually fine or that it was probably in her head from stress. Well it was in her head. Two lesions. Last summer she was diagnosed with lupus as well, which means she has to avoid sunlight like the plague. I understand that hypochondria does exist, but I think assuming that before anything else is lazy, insulting and not even very logical. "Self-fulfilling prophecy"? That's the same logic that claims people want to be gay because they get such wonderful treatment and attention, but it's really just made-up. Please. Sorry, but I'm a little sensitive about this topic right now, as we're fighting for social security to admit that two full-blown autoimmune diseases are significant enough to count as disability. - -Corey On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: Jenny, I have several friends with fibromyalgia and I'm happy that they are finally getting the help they need with this debilitating problem. It seems like more and more people I know are suffering from chronic migraines and I wonder what that is all about? I also strongly agree that doctors should just say they don't know and keep up the research. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM To: Paul Ivice Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional when current technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially conditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal cord process pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they react more strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to pain. It is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for me.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have been studies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central nervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. To conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence is just a huge leap. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Sue wrote: > How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the > delusional > diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? > If > doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have > enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do > anti-depressants > or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions > that > come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about > Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with > a > drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and > Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! > > > There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community > thought > people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to > delusions early on. > As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking > for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from > Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. > Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from > the > delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me > among > those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they > have > it. > > Paul Ivice ;>) > - -- Jenny Goodspeed 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies http://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming up details at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html 4/29 Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli 5/14 Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA 5/23 The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA 6/4 Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT 6/25 The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia 7/16 The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on November 27th - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - http://www.magicmeathands.com/ - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - http://www.magicmeathands.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:01 -0400 From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs Hey at least quoting one study is a step above "Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional." as evidence, lol. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Truthfully, as a journalist for more than30 years, I am skeptical of anyone > who quotes the results of "one study," because it is usually the study whose > results are most favorable to that person's position or opinion. > When the preponderance of studies supports your position, let me know. > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Corey Blake > To: Paul Ivice > Cc: sem8 ; jrgoodspeed ; joni < > joni@smoe.org> > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 4:03 pm > Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs > > And my point is that I think people use hypochondria as a "go to" so they > don't have to deal with the unsolvable. One study says people with actual > hypochondria make up about 3% of patients, and yet you'd think it was > hovering around 50%. > > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > >> I'm sorry that your wife is ill, but you're actually supporting my point, >> which is that the hypochondriacs make it harder >> for people like your wife who are legitimately sick to get accurate >> diagnoses and compassionate treatment. >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Corey Blake >> To: Susan Tierney McNamara >> Cc: Jenny Goodspeed ; Paul Ivice ; >> joni >> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:51 pm >> Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs >> >> 8 or 9 years ago, my wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. But it >> took her several doctors before someone actually listened to them. They all >> said it would go away or that it was nothing, she was actually fine or that >> it was probably in her head from stress. Well it was in her head. Two >> lesions. Last summer she was diagnosed with lupus as well, which means she >> has to avoid sunlight like the plague. >> >> I understand that hypochondria does exist, but I think assuming that >> before anything else is lazy, insulting and not even very logical. >> "Self-fulfilling prophecy"? That's the same logic that claims people want to >> be gay because they get such wonderful treatment and attention, but it's >> really just made-up. Please. >> >> Sorry, but I'm a little sensitive about this topic right now, as we're >> fighting for social security to admit that two full-blown autoimmune >> diseases are significant enough to count as disability. >> >> -Corey >> >> >> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara < >> sem8@cornell.edu> wrote: >> >>> Jenny, I have several friends with fibromyalgia and I'm happy that they >>> are finally getting the help they need with this debilitating problem. It >>> seems like more and more people I know are suffering from chronic migraines >>> and I wonder what that is all about? I also strongly agree that doctors >>> should just say they don't know and keep up the research. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >>> Jenny Goodspeed >>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM >>> To: Paul Ivice >>> Cc: joni@smoe.org >>> Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs >>> >>> There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional >>> when >>> current technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially >>> conditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... >>> >>> I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal >>> cord >>> process pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they >>> react >>> more strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to >>> pain. >>> It is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for >>> me.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. >>> >>> The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have >>> been >>> studies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central >>> nervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. >>> >>> With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. >>> To conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence >>> is >>> just a huge leap. >>> >>> Jenny >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: >>> >>> > Sue wrote: >>> > How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the >>> > delusional >>> > diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" >>> environment? >>> > If >>> > doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't >>> have >>> > enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do >>> > anti-depressants >>> > or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the >>> questions >>> > that >>> > come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around >>> about >>> > Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up >>> with >>> > a >>> > drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully >>> and >>> > Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! >>> > >>> > >>> > There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community >>> > thought >>> > people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness >>> to >>> > delusions early on. >>> > As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug >>> looking >>> > for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer >>> from >>> > Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. >>> > Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's >>> from >>> > the >>> > delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me >>> > among >>> > those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe >>> they >>> > have >>> > it. >>> > >>> > Paul Ivice ;>) >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jenny Goodspeed >>> 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies >>> http://www.boxcarlilies.com >>> >>> Coming up details at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html >>> 4/29 Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli >>> 5/14 Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA >>> 5/23 The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA >>> 6/4 Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT >>> 6/25 The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue >>> 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia >>> 7/16 The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA >>> Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on >>> November 27th >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> - --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of >> me >> >> Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ >> >> Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - >> http://www.magicmeathands.com/ >> >> > > > -- > - --------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me > > Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ > > Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - > http://www.magicmeathands.com/ > > - -- Jenny Goodspeed 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies http://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming updetails at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html 4/29  Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli 5/14  Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA 5/23  The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA 6/4  Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT 6/25  The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia 7/16  The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on November 27th ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs I disagree. Anecdotal evidence is usually much stronger than the results of one study, when you don't know who was conducting the study or why. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Goodspeed To: Paul Ivice Cc: coreyblake ; sem8 ; joni Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 4:31 pm Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs Hey at least quoting one study is a step above "Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional." as evidence, lol. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: Truthfully, as a journalist for more than30 years, I am skeptical of anyone who quotes the results of "one study," because it is usually the study whose results are most favorable to that person's position or opinion. When the preponderance of studies supports your position, let me know. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Corey Blake To: Paul Ivice Cc: sem8 ; jrgoodspeed ; joni Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 4:03 pm Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs And my point is that I think people use hypochondria as a "go to" so they don't have to deal with the unsolvable. One study says people with actual hypochondria make up about 3% of patients, and yet you'd think it was hovering around 50%. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: I'm sorry that your wife is ill, but you're actually supporting my point, which is that the hypochondriacs make it harder for people like your wife who are legitimately sick to get accurate diagnoses and compassionate treatment. Paul Ivice ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: Corey Blake To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Jenny Goodspeed ; Paul Ivice ; joni Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:51 pm Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs 8 or 9 years ago, my wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. But it took her several doctors before someone actually listened to them. They all said it would go away or that it was nothing, she was actually fine or that it was probably in her head from stress. Well it was in her head. Two lesions. Last summer she was diagnosed with lupus as well, which means she has to avoid sunlight like the plague. I understand that hypochondria does exist, but I think assuming that before anything else is lazy, insulting and not even very logical. "Self-fulfilling prophecy"? That's the same logic that claims people want to be gay because they get such wonderful treatment and attention, but it's really just made-up. Please. Sorry, but I'm a little sensitive about this topic right now, as we're fighting for social security to admit that two full-blown autoimmune diseases are significant enough to count as disability. - -Corey On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: Jenny, I have several friends with fibromyalgia and I'm happy that they are finally getting the help they need with this debilitating problem. It seems like more and more people I know are suffering from chronic migraines and I wonder what that is all about? I also strongly agree that doctors should just say they don't know and keep up the research. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM To: Paul Ivice Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: delusional diseases & drugs There is a long history in medicine of calling a condition delusional when current technologies can't quantify it scientifically. Especially conditions primarily suffered by women. Just saying... I have to call you out on the fibromyalgia Paul. The brain and spinal cord process pain signals differently for people with fibromyalgia and they react more strongly to touch and pressure, with a heightened sensitivity to pain. It is a real physiological and neurochemical problem (unfortunately for me.) It's often tied to a sleep disorder. The reason it's diagnosis is more widely accepted now is b/c there have been studies in recent years clearly documenting various aspects of central nervous system dysfunction in people with the condition. With regards to Morgellons - lack of evidence is simply lack of evidence. To conclude a disorder is delusional in the face of a dearth of evidence is just a huge leap. Jenny On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Sue wrote: > How many people worldwide are we talking about? If we do buy the > delusional > diagnosis, does it happen in isolation or in a "mass hysteria" environment? > If > doctors are defaulting to a delusional diagnosis because they don't have > enough information, why do they have to put a label on it? Do > anti-depressants > or anti-psychotics relieve the symptoms? I guess these are the questions > that > come to the top of my mind because of the way doctors turned around about > Fibromyalgia (or was that because some pharmaceutical company came up with > a > drug and they needed a disease?) I'm feeling like I have both Scully and > Muldar arguing in my head!! Forgive me!!! > > > There are examples of both in history. Most of the medical community > thought > people who had what is now called Lyme Disease attributed that illness to > delusions early on. > As for Fibromyalgia, I think Sue is right in saying that was a drug looking > for a disease to treat. Both of the people I know who claim to suffer from > Fibromyalgia are most likely delusional. > Perhaps evidence will be found at some point that moves Morgellon's from > the > delusional category to something more convincing, but for now count me > among > those who see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who believe they > have > it. > > Paul Ivice ;>) > - -- Jenny Goodspeed 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies http://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming up details at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html 4/29 Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli 5/14 Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA 5/23 The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA 6/4 Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT 6/25 The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia 7/16 The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA Save the date! We're headlining at the Iron Horse (Northampton, MA) on November 27th - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - http://www.magicmeathands.com/ - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com/ Live improv comedy and sketch comedy videos - http://www.magicmeathands.com/ - -- Jenny Goodspeed 1/3 of The Boxcar Lilies http://www.boxcarlilies.com Coming upb&details at www.boxcarlilies.com/shows.html 4/29 b Hooker-Dunham Theater, Brattleboro, VT with Cahalen & Eli 5/14 b Hilltown Spring Festival, Cummington Fairgrounds, MA 5/23 b The Art Barn Songwriter Series, Cotuit, MA 6/4 b Flat Street Brew Pub, Brattleboro, VT 6/25 b The Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA - with Beaucoup Blue 6/26 - In the Studio with Gene Shay, WXPN Philadelphia 7/16 b The Green River Festival, Greenfield, MA Save the date! 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