From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #129 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 11 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 129 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- We need an oral historian [] Re: Emergency [Anita G ] for the roses [Michel BYRNE ] Re: We need an oral historian [Bob Muller ] purple, tiny jc [Marianne Rizzo ] Lieve's problem [Ken ] Re: Lieve emergency [Ken ] Re: Lieve's problem [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Lieve's problem [Vince ] Re: Lieve's problem [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Lieve's problem [Gerald Notaro ] Re: purple, tiny jc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Posts from Lieve are from a hacker. DO NOT respond ["aurabright@supanet.c] Re: Lieve's problem [Catherine McKay ] Re: purple, tiny jc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Lieve's problem [Catherine McKay ] Re: Lieve's problem [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Lieve's problem [Lieve Reckers ] purple, tiny jc [Marianne Rizzo ] RE: purple, tiny jc [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Article on Morgellons [Susan Tierney McNamara ] [none] ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 00:35:42 -0700 From: Subject: We need an oral historian Welcome to the group, Michael! Couldn't agree with you more. Been waiting a long time for the revelation of their true essence. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:29:31 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Emergency Moni, am in text contact with Lieve and have just passed this to her via text. She says it's a nightmare, so hopefully this will help, and, yes,of course, it is a scam. Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:49:36 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: for the roses "I wanted to use a drawing of a horse's ass for the album cover. I did use it for a billboard ad. It was my joke on the Sunset Strip, the huge drawing of a horse with cars and glamour girls, and it had a balloon coming out of the horse's mouth which said 'For the roses'. But nobody got the message." From the horse's mouth, so to speak, in interview with Timothy White. Though it doesn't give too much away... Best to all Michel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 03:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: We need an oral historian Hi Michael, and let me echo the welcome and the good idea. Such a fertile era for music. I would also love an extensive series on the British Invasion, The Doo Wop era, and of course the MTV hairband era (not). Bob, who is stuck in a foreign country but doesn't need any money at the moment thanks NP: The Wailin' Jennys, "What Has Been Done" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 06:52:10 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: purple, tiny jc Hi joni friends, I once had a dream (night time dream) about having a joni gathering in my yard. . . and turned to someone and said, "it is a personal as purple." so here are a few questions for you: 1. What joni lines have the word purple in them? 2. What songs of other's have purple? 3. who of you are purple perople? I love purple! LOve Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 07:58:38 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Lieve's problem Has everyone on the list gotten the same "emergency" email from Lieve? (Stuck in Spain, lost wallet, no money, needs financial help.) And, do we know if it is "for real?" Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:01:44 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Lieve emergency Okay, saw the message on the list AFTER I sent my inquiry. I figured it was a hoax Kenny B Obviously Lieve's account has been hacked. If you got this message too, just ignore it. Lieve, if you are reading this: Change your password on your Yahoo mail account(s) please. moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:24:52 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Lieve's problem I guess Facebook is the way these people find out their victims are traveling. Jerry On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Ken wrote: > Has everyone on the list gotten the same "emergency" email from Lieve? > (Stuck > in Spain, lost wallet, no money, needs financial help.) And, do we know if > it > is "for real?" > > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:45:24 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Lieve's problem Huge assumption since it was her email account hacked and I am not even sure she is on facebook and IF she were did she would Lieve even post travel plans. But facebook hate is fun yes? On May 10, 2011 8:35 AM, "Gerald Notaro" wrote: > I guess Facebook is the way these people find out their victims are > traveling. > > Jerry > > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Ken wrote: > >> Has everyone on the list gotten the same "emergency" email from Lieve? >> (Stuck >> in Spain, lost wallet, no money, needs financial help.) And, do we know if >> it >> is "for real?" >> >> >> Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:55:03 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Lieve's problem Definitely not real. She's been notified. Thank you for checking though :) Jamie Zubairi Sent from my iPhone On 10 May 2011, at 12:58, Ken wrote: > Has everyone on the list gotten the same "emergency" email from Lieve? (Stuck > in Spain, lost wallet, no money, needs financial help.) And, do we know if it > is "for real?" > > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:56:07 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Lieve's problem Yeah, I'm really known for my jumping to conclusions and as a hater. How about hundreds of news stories and warnings? In the Headlines: Facebook PLEASE SEND ME MONEY Scams on the Rise Posted by: Neal OFarrell on July 13, 2010 In: In the Headlines Comments The FBI recently warned of a spike in a scam where crooks pose as a real Facebook user and contact all that users friends with a convincing plea for money. The story often involves travel to a foreign land, where the fake victim claims they have been robbed at gunpoint, their wallet or purse gone (along with money, credit cards, and passports), and they desperately need their friends to wire them enough money to make it home safely. And the crooks can get even more brazen and creative. In one case, a crook actually called his victims grandmother, and, claiming his voice was different because he was sick, persuaded grandma to send him some money to help bail him out from a gambling debt. Apparently the crook had used freely available information on the victims Facebook page to learn more about the victim, his background and his family, to create a clone convincing enough for grandma to fall for. The NBC affiliate in Los Angeles recently told the story of how a hacker broke into a users Yahoo! account, stole a photo of the individual and then used it to create a fake Facebook page. The crook also used the victims Yahoo! address book to contact all the victims friends with a convincing story about how the victim and her family had been robbed in London and needed some money sent to them so they could get home. Lessons learned? If youre not used to your friends or acquaintances asking you for money, especially in unusual circumstances, from unusual places, or for unusual reasons, take the risk of fracturing the friendship and just say no. If youre still not sure, find some other way to determine if the friend really is travelling or doing whatever else it is theyre claiming. Keep to a minimum the information you post on any social networking site, and be especially careful about posting family stories, history, photos, and names. Change your passwords often, especially your email and Facebook passwords, and make them as hard to crack or guess as possible. And this one: Facebook scam: please send money to a friend in need By Mary Schwager, News You Can Use Examiner August 18th, 2009 2:03 am ET The scammers just never cease to amaze me and every time I think I've heard "them all" another scheme surfaces and I just shake my head. Today one of my friend's Facebook posts warned she got hit up in a FB instant messaging scam. Frances Connors was surfing the popular social networking website when the ding of an instant message alert sounded. It was from a pal and the online chat started off with innocent chit chat. Then Connors was shocked when the web dialog drastically changed. "She says that she is in trouble. I'm immediately concerned. Little by little she gives me the details. She is in London (believable) and that she is stuck there. The e-mail is disjointed as if she had been partying (believable). She tells me she was robbed at gunpoint, her credit cards, phone and cash stolen. She asks if she can ask a favor of me. She needs tickets to get her (and her family) out of there. She needs cash and she'll pay me back tomorrow." Conners said she was, "weirded out" but continued the chat. "I'm giving her other possible solutions. Meanwhile I'm on the phone calling her closer friends. No one can reach her, but no one knows about the London trip. Finally, I tell the person I'm calling the police. They immediately disappear." Luckily Conners didn't send any money. Within moments of Conners posting her warning, another one of her Facebook friends, Julie Thorton, got hit up. "Same thing JUST happened to me-just 2 minutes ago-posing as a mutual wellness friend. Watch out, there are hackers popping up as instant messaging, same story-everything!" There's many different ways hackers can crack and account. Sometimes you're lured to a website that appears to be part of Facebook. Other times the crooks crack the password to another one of your accounts and then try it out on Facebook, hoping you use the same one. So be careful where you surf, use different passwords on different accounts, especially you use online banking. And most of all, if a friend appears to tug at your heart strings with a sob story, asking for money, watch out! And HUNDREDS of others. Jerry On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Vince wrote: > > Huge assumption since it was her email account hacked and I am not even sure she is on facebook and IF she were did she would Lieve even post travel plans. But facebook hate is fun yes? > > On May 10, 2011 8:35 AM, "Gerald Notaro" wrote: > > I guess Facebook is the way these people find out their victims are > > traveling. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Ken wrote: > > > >> Has everyone on the list gotten the same "emergency" email from Lieve? > >> (Stuck > >> in Spain, lost wallet, no money, needs financial help.) And, do we know if > >> it > >> is "for real?" > >> > >> > >> Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 21:12:45 +0800 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: purple, tiny jc Marianne, you silly adorable thing... No Joni lyrics with purple. Now if you're talking Prince, OK, we can go on a while. Purple Rain and quite a few others. Then there's The One-Eyed Flying Purple People Eater. I BELIEVE Jimi had a popular song about a Purple Haze. It's a color of royalty. Bob NP: Joni, "Offnight Backstreet" From: Marianne Rizzo To: joni list Date: 05/10/2011 07:13 PM Subject: purple, tiny jc Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Hi joni friends, I once had a dream (night time dream) about having a joni gathering in my yard. . . and turned to someone and said, "it is a personal as purple." so here are a few questions for you: 1. What joni lines have the word purple in them? 2. What songs of other's have purple? 3. who of you are purple perople? I love purple! LOve Marianne - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:11:14 -0400 From: "aurabright@supanet.com" Subject: Posts from Lieve are from a hacker. DO NOT respond Lieve is not in danger in Spain, she has not lost her wallet and do not respond to her mails. Dave Blackburn's account got hacked like this and someone sent money to this person believing it to be from him. How we get round this is a problem. She has enough ways of getting in touch with people if needs be in an emercency. Queen Lulu in England - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lieve's problem The really interesting part about all this is that Lieve has stated that she doesn't like Facebook and isn't on it. (She may have been for a while.) I'd really like to know how people can hack into someone's email account. Would it be necessary to have their password? This could happen to anyone. But, if it were you and you ran out of money, would you send an email to a bunch of people? or would you call someone you knew and trusted? or visit/call your country's embassy or consulate? - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gerald Notaro > To: Vince > Cc: joni@smoe.org; Ken > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:56:07 AM > Subject: Re: Lieve's problem > > Yeah, I'm really known for my jumping to conclusions and as a hater. > How about hundreds of news stories and warnings? > > In the Headlines: Facebook PLEASE SEND ME MONEY Scams on the Rise > > Posted by: Neal OFarrell on July 13, 2010 > > In: In the Headlines > Comments > > The FBI recently warned of a spike in a scam where crooks pose as a > real Facebook user and contact all that users friends with a > convincing plea for money. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 06:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: purple, tiny jc Tom Waits has a song that's known as "Purple Avenue" (or avenues?) but I don't think that's it's real name. I'm not a big fan of purple. Some shades are OK whereas others make me feel kinda queasy. Don't know why that is and I don't think I'm repressing some horrible childhood memory, unless I do that particularly well. Sorry to disappoint, Marianny! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Marianne Rizzo > Cc: joni list > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:12:45 AM > Subject: Re: purple, tiny jc > > Marianne, you silly adorable thing... > > No Joni lyrics with purple. Now if you're talking Prince, OK, we can go on > a while. Purple Rain and quite a few others. Then there's The One-Eyed > Flying Purple People Eater. I BELIEVE Jimi had a popular song about a > Purple Haze. > > It's a color of royalty. > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Offnight Backstreet" > > > > From: Marianne Rizzo > To: joni list > Date: 05/10/2011 07:13 PM > Subject: purple, tiny jc > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > Hi joni friends, > > I once had a dream (night time dream) about having a joni gathering in my > yard. . . and turned to someone and said, > > "it is a personal as purple." > > so here are a few questions for you: > > 1. What joni lines have the word purple in them? > 2. What songs of other's have purple? > > 3. who of you are purple perople? > > I love purple! > > LOve Marianne > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lieve's problem This is one reason why I use a LOT of privacy on FB and don't post any of my phone numbers or home address, and don't have huge numbers of FB "friends." Even that may not be enough but the average crook really doesn't want to work too hard and will move on to someone else if you make things even slightly difficult for them. And still, there are times I wonder whether I might just get away from FB altogether. It can complicate things in other ways. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gerald Notaro > To: Vince > Cc: joni@smoe.org; Ken > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:56:07 AM > Subject: Re: Lieve's problem > > > > In the Headlines: Facebook PLEASE SEND ME MONEY Scams on the Rise > > Posted by: Neal OFarrell on July 13, 2010 > > In: In the Headlines > Comments > ... > > Apparently the crook had used freely available information on the > victims Facebook page to learn more about the victim, his background > and his family, to create a clone convincing enough for grandma to > fall for. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 07:02:20 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Lieve's problem Everyone should know about the new https (secure) setting you have to opt in for on FB. It's under Account Settings>Account security. Also, make your Facebook password totally different from any others you use. Total gobbledygook if possible. I learned this the hard way. On May 10, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > This is one reason why I use a LOT of privacy on FB and don't post any of my > phone numbers or home address, and don't have huge numbers of FB "friends." Even > that may not be enough but the average crook really doesn't want to work too > hard and will move on to someone else if you make things even slightly difficult > for them. And still, there are times I wonder whether I might just get away > from FB altogether. It can complicate things in other ways. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Gerald Notaro >> To: Vince >> Cc: joni@smoe.org; Ken >> Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:56:07 AM >> Subject: Re: Lieve's problem >> >> >> >> In the Headlines: Facebook PLEASE SEND ME MONEY Scams on the Rise >> >> Posted by: Neal OFarrell on July 13, 2010 >> >> In: In the Headlines >> Comments >> > ... >> >> Apparently the crook had used freely available information on the >> victims Facebook page to learn more about the victim, his background >> and his family, to create a clone convincing enough for grandma to >> fall for. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:33:48 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Lieve's problem Hello dears, this (i.e. Dave's) is the first message I see today and it is the first I can send a reply to from my own account again. I feel bad about having a NJC thread with my name in the heading, so feel free to add NJC in any reply, but I thought it may have been decided to leave the NJC off to make sure everybody can benefit from the advice. I just want to say: I am not on FB (as most of you know!) and have never given my yahoo password to anyone, so it is a mystery how they've managed to hack into it. From the account details which thankfully I can now access again, I can see that the account was accessed during the night several times from Nigeria, and once from California, probably a related person. Until just now I was unable to receive emails in my inbox, but I have now also solved that: I did find, after all, that there was a feature called "forwarding and POP" and under forwarding those b!stards had put what looked like my email address, but it had "lleve" instead of "lieve" in the address. Now that I have changed it, all seems OK again. It does mean that anything that was sent to me today before I made the correction of the forward address, has been lost. So if anything like this happens to you: first of all get your access back by speaking to the telephone helpline (the UK number is 00448000289562, it was not easy to find!) and they will reset your password, and then make sure that in your account settings your mail is not still being forwarded to a different but innocent looking address! I hope this is useful, and again so sorry for the bandwidth. Thanks for all the help and advice, even if it never reached me or if I will stumble across it much later when I have time to go to the smoe website and catch up on digests. Big hug, Lieve - --- On Tue, 10/5/11, Dave Blackburn wrote: > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Re: Lieve's problem > To: "Catherine McKay" > Cc: "Gerald Notaro" , "Vince" , joni@smoe.org, "Ken" > Date: Tuesday, 10 May, 2011, 15:02 > Everyone should know about the new > https (secure) setting you have to opt in for on FB. It's > under Account Settings>Account security. > > Also, make your Facebook password totally different from > any others you use. Total gobbledygook if possible. I > learned this the hard way. > > > On May 10, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > This is one reason why I use a LOT of privacy on FB > and don't post any of my > > phone numbers or home address, and don't have huge > numbers of FB "friends." Even > > that may not be enough but the average crook really > doesn't want to work too > > hard and will move on to someone else if you make > things even slightly difficult > > for them. And still, there are times I wonder > whether I might just get away > > from FB altogether. It can complicate things in other > ways. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Gerald Notaro > >> To: Vince > >> Cc: joni@smoe.org; Ken > > >> Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:56:07 AM > >> Subject: Re: Lieve's problem > >> > >> > >> > >> In the Headlines: Facebook PLEASE SEND ME > MONEY Scams on the Rise > >> > >> Posted by: Neal OFarrell on July 13, 2010 > >> > >> In: In the Headlines > >> Comments > >> > > ... > >> > >> Apparently the crook had used freely available > information on the > >> victims Facebook page to learn more about the > victim, his background > >> and his family, to create a clone convincing > enough for grandma to > >> fall for. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:56:14 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: purple, tiny jc bob said >No Joni lyrics with purple. I think y'all should be scouring those Joni lyrics to see if Bob's right. (oh, he probably IS right) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:48:02 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: purple, tiny jc Periwinkle is often considered a bluish purple. sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:56 AM To: bob.muller@fluor.com Cc: joni list Subject: purple, tiny jc bob said >No Joni lyrics with purple. I think y'all should be scouring those Joni lyrics to see if Bob's right. (oh, he probably IS right) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:57:31 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Article on Morgellons Hi Joe, I read this article in horror! At first I felt like I was in the middle of an X-files episode where Scully is arguing the scientific precedents and Muldar is expounding on conspiracy and alien abduction! I think the article ends with an interesting theory about the mechanisms of nerve endings and why we itch. It reminded me of fibromyalgia, which is now recognized as a disease of the nervous system. I think it will be discovered in time that there is a rational explanation for what is causing this horrible ailment. The human body has so many undiscovered frontiers. It makes me sad that Joni has to endure this after all the amazing gifts she has given us. Thanks for forwarding the article. Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joe Jones Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 5:57 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Article on Morgellons Greeting from Wales. I think Joni has mentioned suffering from this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/may/07/morgellons-mysterious-illness np - Mermaid Avenue Vol.1 - Billy Bragg and Wilco. - -- - -- Joe Jones +44 7831 914094 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: [none] There's a fishbowl reference too. Remember that story? http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=449&from=search Jim L'Hommedieu now playing (np): Spirit In the Night from the Live 1975-1985 box set Sue T McNamara said >This is such a strange picture = Joni smiling from the horses ass! With a ?>car, dancing girls, and a fish. What does it all mean!! :-) >> From: Moni Kellermann >> FTR drawing inside LP cover: >> http://www.upload3r.com/serve/080511/1304855313.jpg ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #129 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe