From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #114 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 26 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 114 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Original version of Jericho? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Original version of Jericho? [Michael Flaherty ] Joni mention on Nurse Jackie [M C ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:43:31 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Original version of Jericho? So that would also agree with the contention that the first studio version is the original. Right? - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:08 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Merk54@aol.com; Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You Turn Me On..." is the original.. Joni's original, that is. I for one would say that Tom Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the original, but you know how I am with Joni covers. Bob NP: Gomez, "Hamoa Beach" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:48:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of Jericho? I've seen that 1966 date for the single of UFG in discographies, but are we sure about that? The single version on the reissue of TR's album _The Circle Game_ lists it as 1968. The liner notes say he met Joni in Detroit "late in 1966" and that it was "several months after he passed as tape of his version to the massively influential Boston radio station, WBZ. Joni recalls in this 1968 interview http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 that she had "just written it" when she performed it on "Let's Sing Out" October 24, 1966 and that Dave Van Ronk asked for it, even as he & Patrick Sky made a bunch of sexist jokes on the set. Tom Rush took the song after that, tried to shop it to Judy Collins, and then recorded himself, sent the tape to the radio station where it received a lot of airplay. When Elektra eventually released the single version, it didn't go anywhere. Seems like a lot to transpire between October and the end of 1966, if Rush's UFG was truly released as a single that year. It does seem likely that Rush could have recorded it that year. In his interview with Wally Breese, http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1366 Tom Rush recalled that the single (based on the WBZ recording) came out about the same time as the album: WB: In November of '66, Joni was on a radio show and she said that you'd already recorded "The Circle Game," but the album that contains the song didn't make the charts until April of '68, so I'm wondering was there a different single version that was out earlier? TR: It was a very odd thing. I first recorded "Urge for Going," actually. It was on a tape that I gave to my buddies at WBZ in Boston, I had some friends there. Access was so easy in those days. I had a show at WHRB and my friends Jefferson Kay and Dick Summer had shows on WBZ and I kind of thought we were on a par. I didn't know at that time what "50,000 watt clear channel" meant, but they had the most powerful signal allowable by law on a frequency that nobody else occupied and these guys got mail from New Zealand sometimes when the ionosphere was right. I still get people from Ohio who come up to me and say, "When me and the Mrs. was courtin', we'd go up on the bluff on Sunday night where we could get WBZ." They had a huge listenership. So I gave a tape of "Urge for Going" to Jefferson Kay, he played it and it became the most requested song on the station. It was very, very popular. I think partly because the only way you could hear it was to call up and ask for it. This was before cassette recorders were common. Reel to reel tape recorders were pretty exotic. Not too many people had them. So if you wanted to hear this song you had to call up and request it. When it finally did come out on disc as a single, I think the single came out about the same time as the album, but my recollection may be flawed. But when it finally did come out, none of the other stations in Boston would touch it. WB: Because it had the WBZ stamp on it. TR: Exactly. It was owned by WBZ and it was still the number one single in Boston for a while. WB: The number one selling single? Great! Was the version that you gave to WBZ a live version or one you recorded in a studio? TR: It was done in a studio with Bruce Langhorne playing guitar. It was substantially the same as the one that appeared on the album. It just took a long time to finish that album and I don't know why Elektra gave me permission to release that tape. Maybe they didn't, maybe I just did it, but in the meanwhile, James Taylor and Jackson Browne had come out of the woodwork and along with Joni, somehow the three of them were kindred spirits artistically. They were all writing songs that were folky but weren't. Just writing some wonderful stuff. So The Circle Game album was really a special project because it was a discovery for me of three wonderfully talented writers. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Muller > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:08 PM > To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Merk54@aol.com; Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; > joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? > > original > and the recorded version on Hits is not?> > > Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You > Turn Me > On..." is the original.. Joni's original, that is. I for one would say > that Tom > Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the original, but you know > how I am > with Joni covers. > > Bob > > NP: Gomez, "Hamoa Beach" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:12:19 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of Jericho? On the other hand, given fuzziness of people's memories, combined with evidence that UFG was in Joni's repertoire as early as November, 1965, it may well be that the single really did come out in 1966. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Richard Flynn > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:48 AM > To: 'Bob Muller'; 'Susan Tierney McNamara'; Merk54@aol.com; > Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of > Jericho? > > I've seen that 1966 date for the single of UFG in discographies, but are > we > sure about that? The single version on the reissue of TR's album _The > Circle > Game_ lists it as 1968. The liner notes say he met Joni in Detroit "late > in > 1966" and that it was "several months after he passed as tape of his > version > to the massively influential Boston radio station, WBZ. > > Joni recalls in this 1968 interview > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 > > that she had "just written it" when she performed it on "Let's Sing Out" > October 24, 1966 and that Dave Van Ronk asked for it, even as he & > Patrick > Sky made a bunch of sexist jokes on the set. > > Tom Rush took the song after that, tried to shop it to Judy Collins, and > then recorded himself, sent the tape to the radio station where it > received > a lot of airplay. When Elektra eventually released the single version, > it > didn't go anywhere. > > Seems like a lot to transpire between October and the end of 1966, if > Rush's > UFG was truly released as a single that year. It does seem likely that > Rush > could have recorded it that year. > > In his interview with Wally Breese, > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1366 > Tom Rush recalled that the single (based on the WBZ recording) came out > about the same time as the album: > > WB: In November of '66, Joni was on a radio show and she said that you'd > already recorded "The Circle Game," but the album that contains the song > didn't make the charts until April of '68, so I'm wondering was there a > different single version that was out earlier? > > TR: It was a very odd thing. I first recorded "Urge for Going," > actually. It > was on a tape that I gave to my buddies at WBZ in Boston, I had some > friends > there. Access was so easy in those days. I had a show at WHRB and my > friends > Jefferson Kay and Dick Summer had shows on WBZ and I kind of thought we > were > on a par. I didn't know at that time what "50,000 watt clear channel" > meant, > but they had the most powerful signal allowable by law on a frequency > that > nobody else occupied and these guys got mail from New Zealand sometimes > when > the ionosphere was right. I still get people from Ohio who come up to me > and > say, "When me and the Mrs. was courtin', we'd go up on the bluff on > Sunday > night where we could get WBZ." They had a huge listenership. So I gave a > tape of "Urge for Going" to Jefferson Kay, he played it and it became > the > most requested song on the station. It was very, very popular. I think > partly because the only way you could hear it was to call up and ask for > it. > This was before cassette recorders were common. Reel to reel tape > recorders > were pretty exotic. Not too many people had them. So if you wanted to > hear > this song you had to call up and request it. When it finally did come > out on > disc as a single, I think the single came out about the same time as the > album, but my recollection may be flawed. But when it finally did come > out, > none of the other stations in Boston would touch it. > > WB: Because it had the WBZ stamp on it. > > TR: Exactly. It was owned by WBZ and it was still the number one single > in > Boston for a while. > > WB: The number one selling single? Great! Was the version that you gave > to > WBZ a live version or one you recorded in a studio? > > TR: It was done in a studio with Bruce Langhorne playing guitar. It was > substantially the same as the one that appeared on the album. It just > took a > long time to finish that album and I don't know why Elektra gave me > permission to release that tape. Maybe they didn't, maybe I just did it, > but > in the meanwhile, James Taylor and Jackson Browne had come out of the > woodwork and along with Joni, somehow the three of them were kindred > spirits > artistically. They were all writing songs that were folky but weren't. > Just > writing some wonderful stuff. So The Circle Game album was really a > special > project because it was a discovery for me of three wonderfully talented > writers. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Bob > > Muller > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:08 PM > > To: Susan Tierney McNamara; Merk54@aol.com; Warrenkeith91354@aol.com; > > joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? > > > > > original > > and the recorded version on Hits is not?> > > > > Well, I would say that the 1972 release of UFG as the B-side of "You > > Turn Me > > On..." is the original.. Joni's original, that is. I for one would say > > that Tom > > Rush's 1966 recording of the song counts as the original, but you know > > how I am > > with Joni covers. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Gomez, "Hamoa Beach" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rush 45 rpm recording of UFG: date? RE: Original version of Jericho? Simon has it documented, so I'd bet a paycheck on it. Hopefully he'll chime in and give the details but I believe it was an advance release of "Sugar Babe" with UFG as the B-side. But I'm relying on a fuzzy memory so I'll yield the floor to our esteemed chronologer (chronologist?). I do recall the 1966 date though. Bob NP: Radiohead, "Lotus Flower" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? Objection your honor - leading the witness! I wouldn't say the "original" is defined by the first STUDIO release but rather by the first official COMMERCIAL release. So the "original" Jericho is the MOA version, Joni's original UFG is the B-side of "You Turn Me On...", etc. Jericho is unusual in that on most live albums, when a performer does their own material, they are doing a live performance of a song they've released previously via a studio recording. Joni of course has never had any trepidation about using a live setting to try out new songs, or even unfinished works-in-progress. Objection sustained. Bob NP: Antje Duvekot - Vertigo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Original version of Jericho? I've always found it odd that having released Jericho on a major live release, she then released a studio version. Odd in a good way, but still .... Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Joni mention on Nurse Jackie I've been watching older episodes of Nurse Jackie. In season 2, episode 6, Jackie, played by Edie Falco, is in the living room with her husband and asks him "Do you know where my Joni Mitchell albums are?" A few articles on the Joni site say that Edie is a huge Joni fan. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #114 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe