From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #99 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 10 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 099 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [Paul Castle ] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast ["Mark" ] introduction and a question [Miles Parks Grier ] Re: [Randy Johnson ] Re: [Randy Johnson ] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [Bob Muller ] Re: introduction and a question [Bob Muller ] Troubadours [Gerald Notaro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:35:18 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x > > BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ (expires April 16) Lieve asked: >Any idea when this was actually broadcast? 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) best to all PaulC NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:51:40 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: RE: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Thanks Paul for posting that link. I did think I'd heard it before though, and fairly recently at that. Lieve asked: "Any idea when this was actually broadcast?"Last broadcast on Sun, 20 Dec 2009, 00:00 on BBC Radio 3http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kss3c#broadcastsWtSx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:18:18 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Thanks Paul and WIlliam for further info about the programme. And what an absolutely wonderful programme it is! I can't wait to hear Dave Blckburn's take on it. And so good, Paul, that you have now made it available outside the UK. In reply to Bob Muller: yes Christine Tobin goes for some deep tracks, including Chair in the Sky and Night Ride Home. There are many tracks, but they don't get played in their entirety, as it is really an exploration of Joni as a jazz artist, so each song is there to illustrate a particular aspect. Anyway, I'm so glad you will now be able to hear it thanks to Paul's download, and I am sure you will enjoy it! Lieve in London - ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Castle To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:35:18 Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x > > BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ (expires April 16) Lieve asked: >Any idea when this was actually broadcast? 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) best to all PaulC NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #98 Just wanted to voice my opinion on the "Girls Like Us" movie roles. As Joni I would love to see Evan Rachael Wood. I think Lea Michele would make a perfect Carole King. As For Carly Simon...I'm not really sure, of the choices mentioned I would probably pick Mila Kunis, but what about her co-star from "Black Swan," Natalie Portman. In a message dated 4/9/2011 3:02:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 9 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 098 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: when she thought she had some choice [T Peckham ] Who do you see as Joni Mitchell? [Michael Sentance ] Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast [Lieve Reckers ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:18:49 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: when she thought she had some choice Thank you for the beautiful post, Oddmund. Your thoughts about the song, and in general, really resonate with me tonight. Love back to you from afar. :-) Terra On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > In come in from the cold > a song that has haunted me > since i became a joni fan about twelve years ago > she says: > > When I thought life had some meaning > Then I thought I had some choice > (I was running blind) > And I made some value judgments > In a self-important voice > (I was outa line) > But then absurdity came over me > And I longed to lose control > (into no mind) > Oh all I ever wanted > Was just to come in from the cold > > What I reflect upon today > is these value-judgments, that she made in a self-important voice > > I am aware that these aren't Joni's lyrics at her uppermost. > but still those words ring true to me. > She strikes me right there. > > And then after the judgement > she longs to lose control. > Because absurdity came over her. > > Life is often absurd > It is absurd and tragic that thousands of people get killed > in a tsunami > Mother nature is powerful > and merciless. > > Life is also absurd at times. > When we think we have everything > we lose it all > When we have nothing > we might find a new and unexpected friend. > > That is life's richness. > Taste it. > > Sometimes life tires us out > Other times we find new sources to gain energy and joy from, > > I've just started knitting and painting again > Ten years ago I last did any tries. > > It makes me happy > and sometimes not. > > In a book I have the author says > > There is a joy that comes from creating > everyone deserves to feel that joy > > what a great quote. > > Love > > Oddmund > - - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - - ---Louise Bourgeois - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:53:55 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz musicians on her recordings, but she was also fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album of his music shortly before his death. > best to all PaulC - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:04:16 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Who do you see as Joni Mitchell? Philly.com had an interesting - and entirely speculative - column: > The question is not entirely rhetorical. As Sheila Weller's *Girls Like Us > *, a lively history of femme popsters Carole King, Joni Mitchell and Carly > Simon, is being adapted to the screen by John Sayles, I've been thinking > of the dream cast for the bio-triptych about the women who blazed the path > for the likes of Avril Lavigne, Beyonce and Katy Perry. > > While Weller's dream Jonis are Amanda Seyfried (who sounded her golden > pipes in *Mamma Mia!)*, Michelle Williams and Jennifer Lawrence, Wood, who > manages the trick of being ethereal and grounded, was Joni-like as the lead > of *Across the Universe *and would be my first choice. (After seeing her > Veda in *Mildred Pierce*, I am convinced she can do anything. Second would > be Mia Wasikowska, but I don't know if she can sing and, as Weller said, she > already played a character named after Joni Mitchell in *The Kids Are All > Right*. Taylor Swift has the voice and the cheekbones that arch to the > heavens, > > For Carole King, Weller would like to see Lea Michelle, Carey Mulligan or > Elisabeth Moss. Michelle or Moss are great, off-center choices for the woman > who co-wrote "But Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" I can also see impish Emma > Stone in the part. > > As for Carly Simon, Weller suggests Mandy Moore, a good singer and a warm > screen presence...or Mila Kunis, who might be more interesting as King. > > In your mind's eye and ear, who do you see (or hear) in these roles? > Link: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/flickgrrl/Casting-Couch-Evan-Rachel-Wood- as-Joni-Mitchell.html#ixzz1IxoclE38 - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:29:12 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Lovely find, Paul! I hope that non-UKers can access it, but somehow I doubt it as this is the BBC. Any idea when this was actually broadcast? I could not see that on the site, but enjoyed the programme very much. Lieve in London - - ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Castle To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 8 April, 2011 19:53:55 Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz musicians on her recordings, but she was also fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album of his music shortly before his death. > best to all PaulC - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Almost, but not quite. It leads you on and makes you think you can get it, then it asks you a weird question about whether or not you're 16 or over, and then tells you it's not available in your area. - - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lieve Reckers > To: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 5:29:12 PM > Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > > Lovely find, Paul! I hope that non-UKers can access it, but somehow I doubt >it > > as this is the BBC. > Any idea when this was actually broadcast? I could not see that on the site, > but enjoyed the programme very much. > Lieve in London > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 8 April, 2011 19:53:55 > Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > > Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - > > http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x > > BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > > > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through > the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including > her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and > Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz > musicians on her recordings, but she was also > fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album > of his music shortly before his death. > > > > best to all > PaulC - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if I can catch it here in China or not...I'll try tomorrow when I get my ONE day off work. Not having seen it, I'm not sure if it states that Christine has recorded several Joni songs, and she definitely shoots for the deep tracks. She did "The Priest" and "Chair In The Sky" and definitely made them her own. Would love to see her do a couple more. Bob NP: Ben Ottewell, "Blackbird" (the distinctive voice of Gomez for those who may be interested. I was not aware of this album but am adding it to my want list) - - ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Castle To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 2:53:55 AM Subject: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not sure if folks outside the UK can access this - http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > Singer Christine Tobin guides Alyn Shipton through the jazz-oriented repertoire of Joni Mitchell, including her work with Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius and Herbie Hancock. Mitchell often employed jazz musicians on her recordings, but she was also fascinated by Charles Mingus, making an album of his music shortly before his death. > best to all PaulC - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #98 ******************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:21:45 +0100 From: joe farrell Subject: re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Hi Lieve, This was originally broadcast on BBC Radio 3 on 6th June 2009. It is an excellent programme, very interesting. It puts Joni's jazz era in perspective. "Mingus" is described as "truly a jazz album". Prior to this,the presenter suggests, the jazz content was tangential really. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:58:01 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Firstly many thanks to Paul for making this downloadable to those of us outside the UK. And, since Lieve asks, I thought it was great, given the time (and legal) restraints of the programme. I have a few nitpicks about facts (Mingus wrote four tunes, not six, for Joni to work with and she wrote the other two of the songs on "Mingus".) Some of the players names get pronounced a bit inauthentically (it's Jaaaco, not Jack-o) but these are minor quibbles. The case was certainly made that Joni is a bona fide jazz artist and it might have been worth mentioning that Pat Metheny, to my knowledge, was never a sideman willing to go on the road with any other singer in his career. He might have had his regrets about doing so, as has been reported, but it still says a lot about her stature at the time; a who's who of the electric jazz greats of the era all on the same stage backing a white Canadian singer bagged as a folkie is quite amazing to think of, and I don't think it would happen even now, thirty plus years later. Little was discussed in the programme about how or why Joni leaned towards jazz, with no training in music and no jazzers among her contemporaries. My own theory is that her early childhood, which was pre-rock and roll, exposed her to the jazz singers of the 30's-50's in both big bands and small combos. That may have left an impression. And then meeting John Guerin; I think he introduced her more to the jazz language and many of the L.A scene players. Once they got to hear her harmonic innovations and vocal phrasing, maybe at Guerin's urging, they wanted to play with her. Once Jaco met her and they hit it off he brought in his Weather Report colleagues Shorter, Airto, Badrena, Acuna, Erskine, Alias and then Jaco's other friends Herbie Hancock and Pat Metheny would have been persuaded that she was worth checking out. I think by the time she and Don Alias were going together he would have played a big part in Joni's acceptance into the New York jazz world and ultimately working with Mingus. Looking back it seems so obvious that she was ready but at the time I bet Joni was as freaked out as could be about working in this hostile, clannish musical club with the greatest players of the era. She has hinted at this in interviews. I think after the initial "can she cut it?" questions were laid to rest these musicians gave her all the support she needed to explore her jazz sensibilites. And now Herbie and Wayne are still her champions. Dave On Apr 9, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Thanks Paul and WIlliam for further info about the programme. > And what an absolutely wonderful programme it is! I can't wait to hear Dave > Blckburn's take on it. And so good, Paul, that you have now made it available > outside the UK. > > In reply to Bob Muller: yes Christine Tobin goes for some deep tracks, including > Chair in the Sky and Night Ride Home. There are many tracks, but they don't get > played in their entirety, as it is really an exploration of Joni as a jazz > artist, so each song is there to illustrate a particular aspect. Anyway, I'm so > glad you will now be able to hear it thanks to Paul's download, and I am sure > you will enjoy it! > > Lieve in London > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; > Lieve Reckers > Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:35:18 > Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > >> http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x >> >> BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > > For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ > > (expires April 16) > > Lieve asked: > >> Any idea when this was actually broadcast? > > 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) > > best to all > PaulC > > NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of > 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming > album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 > (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:57:15 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Thanks for that illuminating response, Dave. So glad I asked! Lieve in London ________________________________ From: Dave Blackburn To: Lieve Reckers Cc: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org; Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 16:58:01 Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Firstly many thanks to Paul for making this downloadable to those of us outside the UK. And, since Lieve asks, I thought it was great, given the time (and legal) restraints of the programme. I have a few nitpicks about facts (Mingus wrote four tunes, not six, for Joni to work with and she wrote the other two of the songs on "Mingus".) Some of the players names get pronounced a bit inauthentically (it's Jaaaco, not Jack-o) but these are minor quibbles. The case was certainly made that Joni is a bona fide jazz artist and it might have been worth mentioning that Pat Metheny, to my knowledge, was never a sideman willing to go on the road with any other singer in his career. He might have had his regrets about doing so, as has been reported, but it still says a lot about her stature at the time; a who's who of the electric jazz greats of the era all on the same stage backing a white Canadian singer bagged as a folkie is quite amazing to think of, and I don't think it would happen even now, thirty plus years later. Little was discussed in the programme about how or why Joni leaned towards jazz, with no training in music and no jazzers among her contemporaries. My own theory is that her early childhood, which was pre-rock and roll, exposed her to the jazz singers of the 30's-50's in both big bands and small combos. That may have left an impression. And then meeting John Guerin; I think he introduced her more to the jazz language and many of the L.A scene players. Once they got to hear her harmonic innovations and vocal phrasing, maybe at Guerin's urging, they wanted to play with her. Once Jaco met her and they hit it off he brought in his Weather Report colleagues Shorter, Airto, Badrena, Acuna, Erskine, Alias and then Jaco's other friends Herbie Hancock and Pat Metheny would have been persuaded that she was worth checking out. I think by the time she and Don Alias were going together he would have played a big part in Joni's acceptance into the New York jazz world and ultimately workin! g with Mingus. Looking back it seems so obvious that she was ready but at the time I bet Joni was as freaked out as could be about working in this hostile, clannish musical club with the greatest players of the era. She has hinted at this in interviews. I think after the initial "can she cut it?" questions were laid to rest these musicians gave her all the support she needed to explore her jazz sensibilites. And now Herbie and Wayne are still her champions. Dave On Apr 9, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Thanks Paul and WIlliam for further info about the programme. > And what an absolutely wonderful programme it is! I can't wait to hear Dave > Blckburn's take on it. And so good, Paul, that you have now made it available > outside the UK. > > In reply to Bob Muller: yes Christine Tobin goes for some deep tracks, >including > > Chair in the Sky and Night Ride Home. There are many tracks, but they don't >get > > played in their entirety, as it is really an exploration of Joni as a jazz > artist, so each song is there to illustrate a particular aspect. Anyway, I'm >so > > glad you will now be able to hear it thanks to Paul's download, and I am sure > you will enjoy it! > > Lieve in London > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Castle > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay ; > Lieve Reckers > Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:35:18 > Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast > >> http://bbc.in/dQ4Q1x >> >> BBC Radio 3 : Jazz Library - Joni Mitchell > > For those outside the range of the BBC here's a download - > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/UFh1cXlqaytoMld4dnc9PQ > > (expires April 16) > > Lieve asked: > >> Any idea when this was actually broadcast? > > 20 December 2009 ( it says here http://bbc.in/fQXTJW ) > > best to all > PaulC > > NP The new Kate Bush single - a reworking of > 'Deeper Understanding' from her forthcoming > album 'Director's Cut' - http://blip.fm/~13ic68 > (love the riff/jam/wibbly-wobbly section at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:30:16 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Not meaning to quibble with one of my favorite musicians, but I believe Mingus did write six tunes for Joni. However, Joni only penned lyrics for four of Mingus' melodies and recorded them on 'Mingus'. From Cameron Crowe's Rolling Stone interview from July 26, 1979 : 'Mingus had written what would later become his last six melodies ("Joni I-VI, " he called them), and he wanted Mitchell to write and sing the lyrics for them.' And this from the biography that Wally Breese created for the original JoniMitchell.com: 'Mingus died in January 1979 before the album was finished, but he'd heard all but 1 of the lyrics that Joni had written for his melodies. This last song, "God Must Be a Boogie Man," was written by Joni after reading the first four pages of Mingus' autobiography, "Beneath the Underdog." Joni continued working on the songs, finally coming up with sets of lyrics for 3 of the 6 melodies he wrote for her, plus "Goodbye, Pork Pie Hat." These 4 collaborations, plus her originals "The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey" and "God Must Be a Boogie Man" completed the album, and Joni included as links between the songs, bits of tapes of Charles talking about his life that Sue Mingus gave her after Charles died.' So actually Charles Mingus did write 6 new melodies for Joni. She ended up creating lyrics for 3 of those 6 and also for 'Goodbye Porkpie Hat', a piece that was already a Mingus classic by the time the two started their collaboration. Again from Cameron Crowe's 1979 RS interview: Crowe: How did you go about writing lyrics to "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat?" This is a classic piece of music that has... Joni: b&been around. Mark in Seattle picking those nits again - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:58 AM To: Lieve Reckers Cc: Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org ; Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Firstly many thanks to Paul for making this downloadable to those of us outside the UK. And, since Lieve asks, I thought it was great, given the time (and legal) restraints of the programme. I have a few nitpicks about facts (Mingus wrote four tunes, not six, for Joni to work with and she wrote the other two of the songs on "Mingus".) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:48:35 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Heavens, I don't see any reason for you to feel humbled! You know more about the music than I could possible know. You play it and keep it alive. All I have is a tangle of trivia stuffed into the dusty garret that I call my memory. The release of 'Mingus' and that Cameron Crowe interview do have a special place marker in all of that debris. 'Mingus' was the first of Joni's albums to be released after I moved from Iowa to Seattle. I snatched up that Rolling Stone with Joni on the cover and devoured every word. I was so excited that a new Joni Mitchell album was coming out and that she had been recruited by a legitimate jazz musician to create bona fide jazz music. I was living in a brand new, beautiful place I had never been to before. There was a new Joni Mitchell album on the way that represented a bold step for my favorite singer-songwriter. Of course I remember it. It was a time of all kinds of changes and new adventures in my life. And there was Joni, finishing up one of her most significant adventures. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:34 AM To: Mark Cc: Lieve Reckers ; Paul Castle ; joni@smoe.org ; Bob Muller ; Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast I stand humbly corrected Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:44:15 -0400 From: Miles Parks Grier Subject: introduction and a question Greetings, all-- I am working on a research project on Mitchell's transition to jazz. Many of you already know that Mitchell has been quoted as saying she is a black man trapped in a white woman's body and that an African-American music critic (Greg Tate) has also deemed her black. I sometimes joke that I must have missed the meeting where Joni was voted into the black male club. Nevertheless, I remain a great fan of hers. I am wondering if any of you have ever come across any reviews or interviews that are critical of her appearance on the cover of _Don Juan's Reckless Daughter_ as a black male pimp. Many interviews and biographies mention it and call it controversial, but I've never seen any of the actual controversy. Can anyone help? I'd also be happy to read any opinions you have about MItchell as a black man. cheers, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Johnson Subject: Re: http://www.industrialresourcesmanagement.com/super.z.php?ID=094 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Johnson Subject: Re: http://www.benesseretotale.com/super.z.php?SID=766 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Jazz Library Podcast Night Ride Home? What? Where? Are you toying with me? I see where her latest project/album is an entire reproduction of Tapestry. Maybe someday she'll go for an entire Joni. Bob NP: The Beatles, "You Never Give Me Your Money ------>The End" (bringing to mind that magical night in Paz' backyard) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: introduction and a question Hi Miles, In case you haven't checked it out, have a look at the JM.com library. Do a search for "black man", "Art Nouveau" (the name she gave to her blackface character) and you'll probaly find some photos, facts and opinions from a wide assortment of writers. She played the character in a short film titled "The Black Cat In The Black Mouse Socks" as part of the project "Love". I've seen it and it wasn't very controversial - just bad and boring. Bob NP: Paul Simon, "The Afterlife" (from his new one - he still sounds great and still has a brilliant lyrical edge.) - ----- Original Message ---- From: Miles Parks Grier To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 6:44:15 AM Subject: introduction and a question Greetings, all-- I am working on a research project on Mitchell's transition to jazz. Many of you already know that Mitchell has been quoted as saying she is a black man trapped in a white woman's body and that an African-American music critic (Greg Tate) has also deemed her black. I sometimes joke that I must have missed the meeting where Joni was voted into the black male club. Nevertheless, I remain a great fan of hers. I am wondering if any of you have ever come across any reviews or interviews that are critical of her appearance on the cover of _Don Juan's Reckless Daughter_ as a black male pimp. Many interviews and biographies mention it and call it controversial, but I've never seen any of the actual controversy. Can anyone help? I'd also be happy to read any opinions you have about MItchell as a black man. cheers, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:03:30 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Troubadours I urge everyone to watch the DVD, Troubadours: The Rise of the Singer Songwriter. It is incredibly well done. I was very surprised at how emotional I got watching it. It isn't nostalgia, but at the realization of the purity of the times and music that has passed us. Jerry ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #99 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe