From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #75 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 17 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 075 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #80 [kevinf@broadcastvision.com] Re: angry & bitter Joni [Ken ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #80 [Lc Stanley ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #74 [DonRico1967@aol.com] Re: angry & bitter Joni [T Peckham ] Neil Strauss book [Kate Johnson ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #74 [Stdoherty ] Joni St. Patrick's Day [] Re: NAIC Tom Rush talks about meeting Joni [Jim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Mar 2011 00:06:59 -0700 From: kevinf@broadcastvision.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #80 I am currently out of the office exhibiting at the IHRSA 2011 trade show. I will have access to emails and be periodically available to assist you with questions and proposals. If you have an urgent matter, please feel free to contact our corporate office customer service department at 888-330-4283 prompt # 3. Best regards, Kevin Fee Business Development Toll Free: 888-330-4BVE (4283) ext. 101 Fax: 818-583-1752 Website: www.broadcastvision.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:00:00 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: angry & bitter Joni If that quote is true, it would seem (to my way of thinking) a bonus to someone conducting an interview. Just imagine the passion you'd get in her responses to your questions. On the other hand, if you're the type of host who doesn't know how to conduct a good interview (or unable to capitalize on an opportunity when it presents itself) then it's YOUR fault she seemed difficult to interview. IMHO, of course. And, I don't believe Joni's bitter and angry attitude would have any effect on her fans' enjoyment of her music (unless, of course, she was angry & bitter at THEM). Many artists are angry and bitter over something... that's how they channel their passions to create, no? Kenny B From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q I don't have time right now to look up Neil Strauss at Q magazine (or the interview), but that's just about the most taken-out-of-context quote I've ever read. Link please?? And in any case: What's your point? If Ms. Mitchell is, indeed, "so angry and bitter" now, does that diminish anyone's enjoyment of her entire life's work? Should it? (I'm ASKING, not attacking). This keeps coming up--I had started to respond last night to the Joni/Neil quote (also originally posted utterly out of context), but I was just too tired. I mean, what is this seeming obsession with wanting Joni to be "nice" and uncontroversial? Why is it "unattractive" if she expresses an opinion as fact? (Men do it all the time). There is a LOT to be angry and bitter about in this world, and sometimes it's the artist's job to point it out and express outrage. Joni is praised for being so prescient--"Big Yellow Taxi," for instance--and she has every right to be proclaiming "I told you so!" (tho she isn't). It ain't easy being a visionary, esp. in this short-term-thinking, greed obsessed society, and if Ms. Mitchell no longer suffers fools graciously, I don't blame her. And thank god she doesn't. Isn't it REFRESHING to hear some different viewpoints, some actual "intellectual"--for lack of a better term--discussion? I hope she continues to speak her formidably informed mind and that one day, some will no longer be threatened or otherwise disturbed by it. I also think she's just about the most misunderstood person on the planet. I find her FASCINATING and inspiring and thrilling. Cranky Terra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #80 I am currently out of the office eating meatballs. I will periodically access your proposals but will not assist you. If you have an urgent matter, please feel free to service a customer at 867-5309 after the Tutone. Prompt #4: Smokin' (Empty, Try Another): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrgkKypeMCM Gest retards, Laura Hehe None of Your Business Tax Free: 501-454-7724 Webite: www.broadbottoms.mom To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 2:06:59 AM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #80 I am currently out of the office exhibiting at the IHRSA 2011 trade show. I will have access to emails and be periodically available to assist you with questions and proposals. If you have an urgent matter, please feel free to contact our corporate office customer service department at 888-330-4283 prompt # 3. Best regards, Kevin Fee Business Development Toll Free: 888-330-4BVE (4283) ext. 101 Fax: 818-583-1752 Website: www.broadcastvision.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: DonRico1967@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #74 THANK YOU Paul C for that SPECTACULARLY cool rare photo of Joni and Neil arriving together at Heathrow. Their facial expressions are veritably sublime... And their attire is just too cool for school! Radical! PEACE - -- Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:38:15 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: angry & bitter Joni Thank you thank you thank you, Kenny, for responding to the stuff I brought up-- that's all I'm askin' for! :-D You make a great point about interviewers: it's their JOB to come prepared (as Charlie Rose, infamously, was not), and not only to ask questions, but to listen and, hopefully, engage in conversation. (Or at the very least, be able to follow along if the person being interviewed is a great talker and takes the conversation in new directions.) I've always heard great interviewers say that the most difficult subjects are those who offer monosyllabic one-word answers. I also think that too often, for reasons I'm utterly unable to fathom, passion gets mistaken for anger, which has become a huge no-no in our politically correct society. (I'm not talking about violence that can arise from anger.) (And maybe a lot of people associate "passion" only with sex--ha!) But yes, if the emotion of anger can be felt in the moment and then channeled into positive action, it can be a powerful force for changing things for the better. I agree that that's ultimately a big part of what Joni and other artists, Bruce Cockburn for one, have been trying to get across for years. I recently discovered the late artist Louise Bourgeois (thru Ryan Adams, another great singer/songwriter/painter/poet). Here's a favorite quote from her: "An artist can show things that others are terrified of expressing." Indeed. ;-) Terra On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Ken wrote: > If that quote is true, it would seem (to my way of thinking) a bonus to > someone conducting an interview. Just imagine the passion you'd get in her > responses to your questions. On the other hand, if you're the type of host > who > doesn't know how to conduct a good interview (or unable to capitalize on an > opportunity when it presents itself) then it's YOUR fault she seemed > difficult > to interview. IMHO, of course. > And, I don't believe Joni's bitter and angry attitude would have any > effect on her fans' enjoyment of her music (unless, of course, she was > angry & > bitter at THEM). Many artists are angry and bitter over something... that's > how they channel their passions to create, no? > > > > > > Kenny B > > > From: T Peckham > Subject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q > > I don't have time right now to look up Neil Strauss at Q magazine (or the > interview), but that's just about the most taken-out-of-context quote I've > ever read. Link please?? > > And in any case: What's your point? > > If Ms. Mitchell is, indeed, "so angry and bitter" now, does that diminish > anyone's enjoyment of her entire life's work? Should it? (I'm ASKING, not > attacking). This keeps coming up--I had started to respond last night to > the > Joni/Neil quote (also originally posted utterly out of context), but I was > just too tired. I mean, what is this seeming obsession with wanting Joni to > be "nice" and uncontroversial? Why is it "unattractive" if she expresses an > opinion as fact? (Men do it all the time). There is a LOT to be angry and > bitter about in this world, and sometimes it's the artist's job to point it > out and express outrage. Joni is praised for being so prescient--"Big > Yellow > Taxi," for instance--and she has every right to be proclaiming "I told you > so!" (tho she isn't). It ain't easy being a visionary, esp. in this > short-term-thinking, greed obsessed society, and if Ms. Mitchell no longer > suffers fools graciously, I don't blame her. And thank god she doesn't. > Isn't it REFRESHING to hear some different viewpoints, some actual > "intellectual"--for lack of a better term--discussion? > > I hope she continues to speak her formidably informed mind and that one > day, > some will no longer be threatened or otherwise disturbed by it. I also > think > she's just about the most misunderstood person on the planet. I find her > FASCINATING and inspiring and thrilling. > > Cranky Terra > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:42:31 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Neil Strauss book Maybe he mentions Joni in his book. Here's an article about yesterday's interview, with a few quotes but not the one I mentioned yesterday. http://www.cbc.ca/books/2011/03/everyone-loves-you-when-youre-dead- neil-strauss-on-fame-and-madness.html K. ~~ Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:23:01 -0400 From: Stdoherty Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #74 For me, Joni may be at the top of the heap, but Tom's not far behind. Joni ay have beat him to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (with whatever worth you ttach to that honor) but Tom has definitely continue to grow and prosper hile Joni has fizzled. Not to say that Joni can't rest on her body of ork - she can. But Waits has certainly been more relevant to me in the ast 10-15 years than she has. And he has none of the sour attitude while aving a career arc that has been pretty similar to Joni's. Maybe the fact hat he's been in a satisfying and successful personal artistic elationship has made the difference. Don't know. Well put Bob - I agree. - -----Original Message----- From: onlyJMDL Digest To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 3:00 am Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #74 onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 16 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 074 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - ------- Photo of Joni & Neil [Paul Castle ] Neil Strauss on Q [Kate Johnson ] Tom Waits in the R&R Hall of Fame [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Photo of Joni & Neil [T Peckham ] Re: Neil Strauss on Q [T Peckham ] Re: Neil Strauss on Q [Kate Johnson ] Re: Neil Strauss on Q [Deb Messling ] Re: Neil Strauss on Q [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Neil Strauss on Q [T Peckham ] Re: Neil Strauss on Q [Catherine McKay ] Re: Neil Strauss on Q [Kate Johnson ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:35:54 +0000 rom: Paul Castle ubject: Photo of Joni & Neil This is a new one to me - Joni and Neil arriving t Heathrow Airport on December 30, 1969 http://bit.ly/fRqbKL along with an MP3 of Neil singing 'I Believe In You' credited as Woodstock Rehearsal, 1969) best to all aulC - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:59:11 -0600 rom: Kate Johnson ubject: Neil Strauss on Q ... says Joni was one of his most difficult interviews because she as just "so angry and bitter." Kate ~ tubblejumpin'Gal ttp://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:50:20 -0400 rom: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com ubject: Tom Waits in the R&R Hall of Fame For me, Joni may be at the top of the heap, but Tom's not far behind. Joni ay have beat him to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (with whatever worth you ttach to that honor) but Tom has definitely continue to grow and prosper hile Joni has fizzled. Not to say that Joni can't rest on her body of ork - she can. But Waits has certainly been more relevant to me in the ast 10-15 years than she has. And he has none of the sour attitude while aving a career arc that has been pretty similar to Joni's. Maybe the fact hat he's been in a satisfying and successful personal artistic elationship has made the difference. Don't know. For my fellow Waits enthusiasts, here's a link to what he said at his nduction, as well as the setlist for his performance: ttp://tinyurl.com/6gxfwqd And...he's working on an album of new songs! Bob NP: Soundgarden, "Black Hole Sun" - - ------------------------------------------------------------ he information transmitted is intended only for the person r entity to which it is addressed and may contain roprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. f you are not the intended recipient of this message you are ereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, istribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon his message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please ontact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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But isn't that Stills' fur jacket Neil's wearing?? :-P On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > This is a new one to me - Joni and Neil arriving at Heathrow Airport on December 30, 1969 http://bit.ly/fRqbKL along with an MP3 of Neil singing 'I Believe In You' (credited as Woodstock Rehearsal, 1969) best to all PaulC - - -- An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." ---Louise Bourgeois - - -- An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." ---Louise Bourgeois - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:15:13 -0500 rom: T Peckham ubject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q I don't have time right now to look up Neil Strauss at Q magazine (or the nterview), but that's just about the most taken-out-of-context quote I've ver read. Link please?? And in any case: What's your point? If Ms. Mitchell is, indeed, "so angry and bitter" now, does that diminish nyone's enjoyment of her entire life's work? Should it? (I'm ASKING, not ttacking). This keeps coming up--I had started to respond last night to the oni/Neil quote (also originally posted utterly out of context), but I was ust too tired. I mean, what is this seeming obsession with wanting Joni to e "nice" and uncontroversial? Why is it "unattractive" if she expresses an pinion as fact? (Men do it all the time). There is a LOT to be angry and itter about in this world, and sometimes it's the artist's job to point it ut and express outrage. Joni is praised for being so prescient--"Big Yellow axi," for instance--and she has every right to be proclaiming "I told you o!" (tho she isn't). It ain't easy being a visionary, esp. in this hort-term-thinking, greed obsessed society, and if Ms. Mitchell no longer uffers fools graciously, I don't blame her. And thank god she doesn't. sn't it REFRESHING to hear some different viewpoints, some actual intellectual"--for lack of a better term--discussion? I hope she continues to speak her formidably informed mind and that one day, ome will no longer be threatened or otherwise disturbed by it. I also think he's just about the most misunderstood person on the planet. I find her ASCINATING and inspiring and thrilling. Cranky Terra On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Kate Johnson wrote: > ... says Joni was one of his most difficult interviews because she was just "so angry and bitter." Kate ~~ Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com - - -- An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." ---Louise Bourgeois - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:38:25 -0600 rom: Kate Johnson ubject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q On 15-Mar-11, at 2:15 PM, T Peckham wrote: > I don't have time right now to look up Neil Strauss at Q magazine (or the interview), but that's just about the most taken-out-of- context quote I've ever read. Link please?? I didn't catch it all, but there wasn't more about Joni, except that he host replied that Joni is one of Canada's favourite daughters, mplying that the remark is unlikely to be appreciated by her many dmirers. The interview will replay tonight from 10 to 11:30 pm on BC Radio, here online: http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Radio/1447825254/ID=1404737769 Strauss is an interviewer or show host or something, I don't know, as listening with half an ear till I heard Joni's name. He'd been sked what some of the best and worst interviews of his career have een, and why. > And in any case: What's your point? Oh, do I have to have a point? sually this group is interested in any mention of Joni in the media. hat's as close to a point as I'm getting, in this case. > Cranky Terra Sorry Terra, you'll have to find someone who disagrees with you, to rgue your points with. Polite, Gentle, Sweet, Sensible, Calm Kate ) ~ tubblejumpin'Gal ttp://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:03:46 -0400 rom: Deb Messling ubject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q Neil Strauss wrote an unflattering, but fascinating article in the New York imes Magazine in 1998: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=231&from=search I go back and forth on Joni's alleged "bitterness." I do get tired of the ssumption that women who are not all nicey-nicey are somehow athological. On the other hand, it sometimes sounds like Joni hates ALL usicians other than herself. On the third hand, I think she is sometimes electively edited to create controversy. - - -- eb Messling lmessling@gmail.com ttp://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:08:49 -0400 rom: Gerald Notaro ubject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q Door number three! or sure. She knows what gets attention and coverage. Jerry n Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Deb Messling wrote: > Neil Strauss wrote an unflattering, but fascinating article in the New York Times Magazine in 1998: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=231&from=search I go back and forth on Joni's alleged "bitterness." I do get tired of the assumption that women who are not all nicey-nicey are somehow pathological. On the other hand, it sometimes sounds like Joni hates ALL musicians other than herself. On the third hand, I think she is sometimes selectively edited to create controversy. -- Deb Messling dlmessling@gmail.com http://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:11:07 -0500 rom: T Peckham ubject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q Thanks for the link. And I'm not being impolite, harsh, or insensible, nor m I all riled up. (Matter of fact, I can be damned sweet when I want to be, ut it's usually in a more personal context.) I'm not looking to "argue my oints"--I come for intelligent conversation, discussion, and perhaps, ebate. As I stated, I wanted to present a different point of view. I don't are if anyone agrees with me or not. I guess that makes me "not nice." 'est la vie! :-) On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > On 15-Mar-11, at 2:15 PM, T Peckham wrote: I don't have time right now to look up Neil Strauss at Q magazine (or the > interview), but that's just about the most taken-out-of-context quote I've > ever read. Link please?? > I didn't catch it all, but there wasn't more about Joni, except that the host replied that Joni is one of Canada's favourite daughters, implying that the remark is unlikely to be appreciated by her many admirers. The interview will replay tonight from 10 to 11:30 pm on CBC Radio, here online: http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Radio/1447825254/ID=1404737769 Strauss is an interviewer or show host or something, I don't know, was listening with half an ear till I heard Joni's name. He'd been asked what some of the best and worst interviews of his career have been, and why. > And in any case: What's your point? > Oh, do I have to have a point? Usually this group is interested in any mention of Joni in the media. That's as close to a point as I'm getting, in this case. Cranky Terra > Sorry Terra, you'll have to find someone who disagrees with you, to argue your points with. Polite, Gentle, Sweet, Sensible, Calm Kate :) ~~ Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com - - -- An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." ---Louise Bourgeois - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) rom: Catherine McKay ubject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q I agree with everything you said - how about that! I really don't think she's anywhere near as bitter as she is sometimes portrayed to be. In any interview with her that I've seen or heard, despite the itter-sounding comments she sometimes makes, she always sounds in very good umour. Once it's translated to print, it comes across as crotchety, and let me ell you, I don't mind crotchety, although I do mind the same old topics coming p all the time - except that often the interviewer is the one who starts it. he is very opinionated, but so are a lot of people. ----- Original Message ---- From: Deb Messling To: JMDL Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 5:03:46 PM Subject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q Neil Strauss wrote an unflattering, but fascinating article in the New York Times Magazine in 1998: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=231&from=search I go back and forth on Joni's alleged "bitterness." I do get tired of the assumption that women who are not all nicey-nicey are somehow pathological. On the other hand, it sometimes sounds like Joni hates ALL musicians other than herself. On the third hand, I think she is sometimes selectively edited to create controversy. -- Deb Messling dlmessling@gmail.com http://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:36:27 -0600 rom: Kate Johnson ubject: Re: Neil Strauss on Q On 15-Mar-11, at 3:11 PM, T Peckham wrote: > And I'm not being impolite, harsh, or insensible, nor am I all riled up. Perhaps not. owever, you DID sign yourself "Cranky" -- which some might construe s any of the above. ) ate ~~ tubblejumpin'Gal ttp://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #74 ******************************* - ------- ost messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org nsubscribe by clicking here: ailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:34:40 -0700 From: Subject: Joni St. Patrick's Day While out today walking around downtown L.A. I came upon one of our homeless musicians on the street playing Both Sides Now on tenor sax. There's a lot of talented guys who always play great blues and jazz on the streets around here but this is the first time in my 20 years in the neighborhood I have ever heard Joni. Even better, he then segued into a beautiful traditional Irish ballad, the notes of which totally complemented the notes of BSN. He made the two songs become one. it was a very beautiful moment. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Subject: Re: NAIC Tom Rush talks about meeting Joni Thanks for the link Richard -- just listened to the 2nd hour - pretty cool. I heard Tom do the Circle Game late last night on my Dish Accoustic Crossroads channel and I love his version of Urgre for Going" at the end of the American Routes spot. Jim T. aka gentaman_jim PS. Have fun in Austin Mr. P - --- On Sat, 3/12/11, Richard Flynn wrote: > From: Richard Flynn > Subject: NAIC Tom Rush talks about meeting Joni > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 3:54 PM > That's No American Idol Content ;) > > > > I've been regularly enjoying this Saturday afternoon show > American Routes on > public radio. On today's show Tom Rush talks about > meeting Joni when she > asks to play for him during his set at the Chessmate, and > later her sending > him a 6-song tape. The show has an audio stream: > > http://americanroutes.publicradio.org/archives/show/680/earl-scruggs-tom-rus > h ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #75 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe