From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 15 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on Neil [gerard mclaughlin ] RE: onlyJMDL vs All Joni [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Joni on Neil [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Joni on Neil [Gerald Notaro ] Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW [Paul Castle ] RE: Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Joni on Neil ["Randy Remote" ] passion and joni ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:54:50 +0100 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Joni on Neil Its true though . Much as you can singalong to Neil he isnt dance music. You dont feel your hips moving. Not like they automatically do to something like Don Juan. He must know that himself and it is my guess he has a good old snort when he hears another Joni clanger. Doesnt matter what the woman says she will always be sweet Joni to him. Thats my guess. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:38 AM, ava rosenblum wrote: > Makes me feel a little bit bad for Neil because he seemed so enamored with > Joni, But I guess we should take all quotes with a grain of salt since we > (I) have no idea about their personal relationship or the context of the > quote. > On a slightly different note, I am hoping that the recent political > activism in the US inspires some new composing for Joni. :) > > best, > > ava > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:13:14 -0500 >> From: "Richard Flynn" >> Subject: Re: Joni on Neil >> >> You know this is so unattractive for Joni to be badmouthing her peers. >> >> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless >> >> - -----Original message----- >> From: LC Stanley >> To: JMDL >> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 03:48:21 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: Joni on Neil >> >> "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil >> never >> rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He >> has >> got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:33:19 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: onlyJMDL vs All Joni Oh Jimmy, I love you too!! You are so sweet. :) From: FMYFL@aol.com [mailto:FMYFL@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:32 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; DonRico1967@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: onlyJMDL vs All Joni In a message dated 3/13/2011 1:29:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: I just want to add my two cents on the whole Joni Only vs All Joni discussions. I was Joni Only for a REALLY long time and as I went to Jonifests over the years, I realized I not only missed out on great discussions, I missed out on meeting really great people. Sue, when I first joined the list back in 98, I just remember you as the guru of all Joni's tabulars. I don't play the guitar, but you were the one that helped the JMDL become what it is today. I briefly met you at one of the NE Jonifests, and was in awe of listening to you sing and play Joni's music. Now that we have spent the past couple of years together, I realize that not only are you so knowledgeable about Joni and her music, but you're a fun beautiful woman to hang around with and I love you so much. This Eric is the beauty of this list. Yes, we do have history, but all are welcome whether it be just about Joni or about anything. We are family! Jimmy in FL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:51:05 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Re: Joni on Neil "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil never rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He has got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell Hi Richard, I remember reading that quote and I honestly don't think Joni was dissing Neil. It was more of a tongue in cheek comment since Joni and Neil were pretty close friends. As a matter of fact The Circle Game was inspired by Neil's Sugar Mountain and Joni painted a portrait of Neil which you can see along with some other quotes from Joni about Neil on the link below. ......Stewart http://neilyoungnews.thrasherswheat.org/2009/11/joni-mitchell-and-neil-young.html - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:52:26 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni on Neil I agree. I think she was talking more about Neil being from the Prairie and being a country rocker rather than having any urban influence which would lend then roll to Rock 'n Roll. Jerry, proudly wearing my "the Joni Mitchell internet community" denim shirt today! On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, wrote: > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil > never > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He > has > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell > > > > Hi Richard, > > I remember reading that quote and I honestly don't think Joni was dissing > Neil. It was more of a tongue in cheek comment since Joni and Neil were > pretty close friends. > As a matter of fact The Circle Game was inspired by Neil's Sugar Mountain > and Joni painted a portrait of Neil which you can see along with some other > quotes from Joni about Neil on the link below. > > ......Stewart > > > > http://neilyoungnews.thrasherswheat.org/2009/11/joni-mitchell-and-neil-young.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:36:26 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW Just noticed this in the Jonimitchell.com Library "Restored Joni Mitchell Live Session Now Available in KCRW Archives" http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2358 a truly brilliant 1994 live acoustic session (with Larry Klein) and interview on KCRW's 'Morning Becomes Eclectic' - listen (direct link) - http://bit.ly/grludO Wonderful sound quality - get your cans on for this!! Best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:43:08 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW Thanks Paul. I think I only have this on beat up cassette, so I haven't listened to it in a while. Her guitar sounds amazing! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Castle Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:36 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW Just noticed this in the Jonimitchell.com Library "Restored Joni Mitchell Live Session Now Available in KCRW Archives" http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2358 a truly brilliant 1994 live acoustic session (with Larry Klein) and interview on KCRW's 'Morning Becomes Eclectic' - listen (direct link) - http://bit.ly/grludO Wonderful sound quality - get your cans on for this!! Best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:32:00 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW OK, I just finished listening to this and I have to say this is one of my favorite performances. Moon at the Window was just brilliant, genius. And Larry was great, too! I especially loved her comment about how she would have enjoyed listening to a collaboration between Miles Davis and Brian Eno. Ambient music is getting to be an obsession of mine and the fact that Joni mentioned it as landscape painting made me ecstatically happy. This show really improved my day by leaps and bounds. Thanks so much Paul for sharing it! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:43 PM To: Paul Castle Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW Thanks Paul. I think I only have this on beat up cassette, so I haven't listened to it in a while. Her guitar sounds amazing! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Castle Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:36 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Restored 1994 Joni session on KCRW Just noticed this in the Jonimitchell.com Library "Restored Joni Mitchell Live Session Now Available in KCRW Archives" http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2358 a truly brilliant 1994 live acoustic session (with Larry Klein) and interview on KCRW's 'Morning Becomes Eclectic' - listen (direct link) - http://bit.ly/grludO Wonderful sound quality - get your cans on for this!! Best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:40:30 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on Neil Y'all are right. I remember the context now for this remark, but the spirit of my comment stands. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald > Notaro > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:52 AM > To: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com; Joni List > Subject: Re: Joni on Neil > > I agree. I think she was talking more about Neil being from the Prairie > and > being a country rocker rather than having any urban influence which would > lend then roll to Rock 'n Roll. > > Jerry, proudly wearing my "the Joni Mitchell internet community" denim > shirt > today! > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, wrote: > > > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil > > never > > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He > > has > > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell > > > > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > I remember reading that quote and I honestly don't think Joni was > dissing > > Neil. It was more of a tongue in cheek comment since Joni and Neil were > > pretty close friends. > > As a matter of fact The Circle Game was inspired by Neil's Sugar > Mountain > > and Joni painted a portrait of Neil which you can see along with some > other > > quotes from Joni about Neil on the link below. > > > > ......Stewart > > > > > > > > http://neilyoungnews.thrasherswheat.org/2009/11/joni-mitchell-and-neil- > young.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- > > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt > from > > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified > that > > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:25:59 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni on Neil > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil > never > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He > has > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell a. as opposed to Joni, who has rolled, but not rocked? b. she has apparently not heard his album of fifties-style rock and roll, "Everybody's Rockin'" c. yes this is an old quote d. it seems like a swipe at Neil to me e. typical Joni RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:45:02 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: passion and joni Well....and why the hell shouldnbt joni say that neil young didnbt have roll in him....he had plenty of charm b any real individual does b he just didnbt have this. why should she be nice and considerate and end up saying nothing at all. itbs lovely and wonderful that people talk about all the passions in their lives, and here one now gets introduced to lots of other musicians. and for what itbs worth, whatever rock and roll is.....i have a vague notion of it....too much of jonibs music is too just damn interesting and yet lacks the lyricism or whatever, to carry one away. itbs her mindbs thoughts that are so evocative cause her thinking is so straight from the heart....and her incredible innovation on the guitar (woman guitarists like joan armatrading, janis ian and joni seem so vastly under-commented on....referring to their genius at innovation...instead stairways to heaven and all other brief moments of genius by male guitarists gets applauded and inscribed on the religiouss tablets when therebs really nothing of note there).....(talking of jonibs appeal) and her look that has gotten her into attention....we all know she has a passionate mental life.itbs so strange strange strange to me that her songs that carry me away....and ibve mentioned a few times the power of her shadows and light concert...that utter evocative and flowing powerful music...and like bthis flight tonightb (that turns me on...a jet engine is kinda sexy in itbs never failing constancy) and that most beautiful beautiful song ba strange boyb.....that i keep playing over and over.....and i suppose bthe priestb is also like that yet possibly not as compelling....itbs like b a strange boyb doesnbt exist!!!itbs not even to be found, in just music from an album, on youtube......the songs and performances that carry me away donbt have a place!!!...woodstock in the way joni does it on shadows and light and other songs there send chills up my spine and the sheer passion in the timing and the instrumentation is vastly under-commented on...i can see why she loves rachmaninov and stevie wonder. she could learn from janisb lyricism...her music in general doesnbt have as much as janis...and yet janis leaves me so so cold in her commenst about being haunted by crazy people, as though shebs never paused to consider that theybre not always crazy and at times might feel so exposed and obliterated by her exposure of them...at least ibve never heard joni making public utterances of delegating madmen to oblivion....yes, joni too has compromised....no matter what she says, her girlie voice of long ago seems to be to have been conformism (which is so forgiveable when you havenbt seen an alternative like we have since the 80bs, of strong sexy womenbs voices) but she missed out on some individuality there which she puts down to being a mimick...ya, i do understand that. and then i also want to say, that ibve been thinking and thinking and realising that jonibs expressions and thoughts on nature vs science has more wisdom than mine has....i see her point more and more and the physicists that are so desperately trying to prove that the universe didnbt need anything to come into being, who want to substitute their matematics for whatever-it-was...they should perhaps rather try and prove that it does not exists, and see if they can therby make it (the universe) disappear...then webll all know how virile they are. so much of what has happened, including this terrible skin disease, might stem exactly from the technology that has been applied without the concern for long-term consequences....but isnbt the motivation here, isnbt it blind enterprise,...rather than blind science...isnbt it the profit motive at least as much, but i think more, than blind science....who said the discoverer of anything ever said it would uterly harmless-...that would be so unscientific an assumption to make...not that i think capitalsim is eveil...i tiink socialism is far more evil given that it ignores how evil individuals are....but nowadays i can see so clearly that capitalsim is designed to benefit off other people , and off the planet...and try to corner it all for onesself.....the fact that it is a fair offer of merchandise has benefitted..it is just so hugely karmically hilariouss that evrything, apart from food- as a reult of too many huge steaks being ordered) is actually getting to be cheaper...not because of the enter-pri-sers-but becasue of the inbuilt (as it stands) scientific principles. so i vote for jonibs wisdom...i think about you joni, and i just want to say if i ever did walk on the beach with you, wi wouldnbt ask you about what dreams fly with the seagulls....not explicitly...it could just dawn on me that we some similar wishes....but every-one should hopefully manifest their dreams in-time...if there is /was even enough of it....i think here will be. and then about japan...it seems so strange that these hardworking people, with their courage, and there seems to be incredible appreciation of the arts there, should be living on this small havoc-condemed pice of land. it is unreasonable to expect them to carry on rying to make an existence over there. i think we should invite them to come, all 127 million of tem , into africa.....i know african people might take exeption to this...but somewhere...why doesnbt america invite them all there...i think arica has the most to gain from hem coming here...there.. enough space here...the weather is good, no major calamities (this continent is blessed in all ways apart from the over-glamorization of individuals and under-appreciation of principles).....the most horrible thing that doesnbt emantate from the people is drought......therebs almost nothing to worry about except for being murdered or raped or robbed, for fun or glory....it is absurd that these people should be left on that catastrophe-doomed strip of land. i love joni for saying what she wants, on impulse i love neil young for his rock-straight-beat, and his voice, and his lyrics, but the beat is too straight in the end, and lacks the stregth to carry one away.i think the whole world is far too straight and thatbs a major problem. i think joni has also made wrong investmenst but i am sure she can see this by now...anyway, she is not me so she will have her own self-chosen guiding princiiples, but she can forget about me not seeing through her viscious condemnation of non-men-centered woman....i would have been offended by her, after luring sam shepard away from me, commedning me on how ibm handling it....i would think shebs being condescending and that she thinks shebs the victor for having landed up with having a man, the trophy of trophies.and it is really weird hat she is outspoken about the ravages of war and then complains that the men are too weak to send to war, and that one will have to sedn the woman..to what war is this...what war ???? and nevertheless i love her cause i think shebs long ago figured that out.....and shebs not there at all anymore...shebs somewhere with the seagulls...i love her spirit, i learn from her wisdom as it seems she has more in those areas of yellow taxi.....and i love her for bringing thses inetersting jmdl people into my life..but i would fight with her, cat and dog, because if she rejects so much of what is important to me,...if she still doesn, it would make me angry being with her. i do still maintain that shine is beautiful ...that warmth there is so wonderful to hear. now thatbs all. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #73 ******************************** ------- Post 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